TV News & "Expert" Blame Violent Games For Teen Killer
- Thread starter vansau
- Start date
Recommended Videos
I didn't draw a conclusion. But just as WW1 wasn't started by the assassination of Ferdinand, but was actually the result of a powderkeg of alliances, arms races, colonisation and history of bad humour, and it is still correct to say that the assassination was the cause of WW1. A video game was the cause of the death of his parents. Sure he had a psychological dispensation, that doesn't make the video game any less the spark.Arcanist said:
This is the one time, where in the broadest sense, the media is right. If you want me to fight the actual point instead of being light-hearted. There have been many many psychological studies showing that to people predisposed to psychological problems (particularly obsession style ones) violent video games were the trigger to that behaviour. And when all the research was summed up that one time, studies against and before behaviour, not only were there more studies proving that violent behaviour can come out in certain exceptional people due to videogames, but they were better peer-reviewed too.
The whole point of science is that you believe the conclusion, without allowing what you want the answer to be to cloud your judgement and until someone can show me evidence counter to that presented and not anecdotal or I think this evidence, or a study commissioned by people with a clear objective, I will continue to think as I do. When you produce that evidence I will change my opinion happily and willingly.
Apart from anything else, would the army invest all that money into America's Army if it didn't work as a recruitment tool? And the army is nothing but making violent behaviour acceptable to normal people. (And yes this is exactly the sort of point that I said I wouldn't accept and I don't expect you too either, in all honesty, i don't)
Well, ALOT of people claim that ALOT of violent crimes would be going on right now if games really did increase your chances of violent crime. This is because ALOT of people play ALOT of violent video games.Littaly said:
And as there are ALOT of violent shooters out there, i'm thinking that ALOT of people have the same thought of thought about that.
(yeah, i posted mainly because of your avatar)
...Really, guys? Really? We have to do this again?...
*sigh*
...What happened is tragic. When tragedy occurs, people often run shallow in their attempts to find explanations for the seemingly inexplicable. Recent history suggests, however, that people who are badly mis-wired will find a reason for violence, not that those reasons are really the cause for their violence. See also: Catcher in the Rye, Taxi Driver, The Boy Scouts of America, The Bible, and Halo 3.
Cut-and-paste as necessary.
*sigh*
...What happened is tragic. When tragedy occurs, people often run shallow in their attempts to find explanations for the seemingly inexplicable. Recent history suggests, however, that people who are badly mis-wired will find a reason for violence, not that those reasons are really the cause for their violence. See also: Catcher in the Rye, Taxi Driver, The Boy Scouts of America, The Bible, and Halo 3.
Cut-and-paste as necessary.
Strictly from reading this article alone and what I can remember when I first heard about the case, I'm going to be honest, I thought that the game was the cause. Not the only cause mind you, but merely the catalyst.
He was obviously extremely disturbed beforehand, and I myself blame an outside influence or plain ole' bad parenting. But being unable to play the game apparently made him snap and kill his mother, and when he left he only took the game. So what's someone supposed to think? Maybe I just haven't thought it through enough.
He was obviously extremely disturbed beforehand, and I myself blame an outside influence or plain ole' bad parenting. But being unable to play the game apparently made him snap and kill his mother, and when he left he only took the game. So what's someone supposed to think? Maybe I just haven't thought it through enough.
You know what? If everyone subscribed to this kind of reactionary thinking we'd still be living in the fucking Dark Ages.
This isn't because of video games? this is because of the parents as well as the fact the the kid is a insane. He was provoked to take action when he was punished by his parents when they took his game (probably his fault that he had halo 3 taken away) and then killed the parents. (not sure if the father died said "shot" which isn't very specific)
Basically you could replace the halo 3 and xbox with herouine and acid and the outcome would have likely been similar, just with more serious charges...
Basically you could replace the halo 3 and xbox with herouine and acid and the outcome would have likely been similar, just with more serious charges...
Leaving aside the obvious fact that the guy is talking shit to begin with, the casual allusion to political correctness as a negative conceit particularly angers me.vansau said:
"They make it politically correct by saying some or maybe." That's not making it politically correct, that's making it actually correct.
When oh when are these 'experts' going to realise that the only effect going on TV news to spout idiocy gets you is a few hundred 1 star reviews on Amazon, letting everyone know your book is full of shit?
I was just surprised it wasn't Fox is all.
All we need to do now is NOT be a dick based community and not send him a bunch of violent death threats for having a stupid opinion, as it just reinforces gamers as hostile psychopaths.
I was just surprised it wasn't Fox is all.
All we need to do now is NOT be a dick based community and not send him a bunch of violent death threats for having a stupid opinion, as it just reinforces gamers as hostile psychopaths.
think of the children! won't someone please think of the children!
/sarcasm
"depression or obsession..." you know what? i can see those being top ten causes of teen shootings. wait what are those dots there for?
"with violent videogames/media" congratulations you just negated your entire argument. =D
/sarcasm
"depression or obsession..." you know what? i can see those being top ten causes of teen shootings. wait what are those dots there for?
"with violent videogames/media" congratulations you just negated your entire argument. =D
This is news?
Every single time a teenager kills someone people blame games for it. I doubt even people that originally believed this crap still believe it with how often it's used as an excuse. If they do, they're really, really gullible.
And to be more relevant to the article, the kid would've already been psychotic before he wasn't allowed to play the game, not being able to play Halo 3 wouldn't have suddenly flicked on a spark in his brain that made him want to kill his parents. He just had a frickin' motive so he got angry. Because he's a bit different.
/rage
Every single time a teenager kills someone people blame games for it. I doubt even people that originally believed this crap still believe it with how often it's used as an excuse. If they do, they're really, really gullible.
And to be more relevant to the article, the kid would've already been psychotic before he wasn't allowed to play the game, not being able to play Halo 3 wouldn't have suddenly flicked on a spark in his brain that made him want to kill his parents. He just had a frickin' motive so he got angry. Because he's a bit different.
/rage
To the people who are yelling "It's the bad parents who raise the bad kids."
Well, maybe and sort of.*
That could be a factor in it, but go and read through Freakonomics (the original) - in particular, the chapter entitled "What Makes a Perfect Parent." In it, there is the story of the poor black boy whose parents are abusive, divorced, etc. etc., and the upper-middle-class white boy with loving parents and a caring family.
The black boy with the messed up family (and parents) is Roland G. Fryer Jr, now an economics professor at Harvard. The white boy with loving parents and a "normal" upbringing, meanwhile, is Ted Kaczynski, better known as The Unibomber.
Worth thinking about. Nature vs. Nurture. Confusing, no?
*Genetics may have a bigger part in it all than any of us know. So parents may be responsible in that sense. But I'm assuming you meant "parents who raise their children to be the obnoxious impolite annoying as hell people as their parents" from "bad parenting" rather than "faulty genetic material."
Food for thought.
Well, maybe and sort of.*
That could be a factor in it, but go and read through Freakonomics (the original) - in particular, the chapter entitled "What Makes a Perfect Parent." In it, there is the story of the poor black boy whose parents are abusive, divorced, etc. etc., and the upper-middle-class white boy with loving parents and a caring family.
The black boy with the messed up family (and parents) is Roland G. Fryer Jr, now an economics professor at Harvard. The white boy with loving parents and a "normal" upbringing, meanwhile, is Ted Kaczynski, better known as The Unibomber.
Worth thinking about. Nature vs. Nurture. Confusing, no?
*Genetics may have a bigger part in it all than any of us know. So parents may be responsible in that sense. But I'm assuming you meant "parents who raise their children to be the obnoxious impolite annoying as hell people as their parents" from "bad parenting" rather than "faulty genetic material."
Food for thought.
Correlation doesn't mean causation! Yes, most, if not all cases of young people committing any form of anti-social act happen to correspond with them playing violent video games. But so's everyone else; all the non-violent every day folk out there.
All these teen killers were seen breathing, too. OMG oxygen makes people murderously violent!
All these teen killers were seen breathing, too. OMG oxygen makes people murderously violent!
Wait wait wait I think we're all missing the bigger story here.
A news station, consciously and purposely modded a PS3 in an illegal way to play a game not intended for it. Sony needs to bring the damn hammer down, and Microsoft to, jsut for the fact idiots will now think the PS3 can play 360 games.
A news station, consciously and purposely modded a PS3 in an illegal way to play a game not intended for it. Sony needs to bring the damn hammer down, and Microsoft to, jsut for the fact idiots will now think the PS3 can play 360 games.
Damn, ninja'd...this sums it up exactly...people can develop an obsession over anything and let it rule their lives, video games is just the scapegoat.Jamboxdotcom said:
The smut we must stop
The trash we must bash
The Laughter and fun
Must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before somebody thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus!
Truer words were never sung. Especially by cartoons
Thankfully, they got over D&D so I can still pretend to be an elf on weekends. They'll get over this too. Science just needs to get off its ass and invent robotic girlfriends, then FOX can really go off their tits.
The trash we must bash
The Laughter and fun
Must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before somebody thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus!
Truer words were never sung. Especially by cartoons
Thankfully, they got over D&D so I can still pretend to be an elf on weekends. They'll get over this too. Science just needs to get off its ass and invent robotic girlfriends, then FOX can really go off their tits.
