Two Year Old Toddler Smoking Pot

[Tsaba]

http://www.4rfv.co.uk/nationalnews.asp?id=116520
http://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/drugs-alcohol/marijuana4.htm

I won't argue that you will die from a marijuana over dose, but, I will argue that some things are just plain stupid, and giving it to a two your old is one of those things. The idea that no one dies from marijuana in any capacity is also quite silly. No one has dies from a marijuana over dose period, the argument no one has ever had a fatal car crash, suicide, and what ever else your mind can come up that marijuana gave that helping hand to is just laughable. No one has died perfectly sober behind the wheel of a car, just GO AHEAD AND TELL US THAT. I will argue that people who are just a little too baked won't have that precious fraction of a second to make a decision, but, this isn't the argument here, it's about if giving pot to a child and recording it with your cell phone is a great idea, answer is no, if at all, legalize it and make it accessible to people 21 and older. I don't care if you want to get high, just do it on your couch.

 

[nohorsetown]

I'm on the "legalize it" side of the fence, like most people here, and it certainly seems to me that pot isn't nearly as bad as cigarettes. But it's kinda tough to argue that giving it to a 2-year old is OK. Sure, there aren't any studies saying it's specifically bad, but do you really think they're gonna get a buncha 2-year olds high just to find out? Even if there's no solid proof, it's just common sense. Developing brains and lungs and all that. And what's the freakin' point? Toddlers are naturally pretty damn high as it is. I doubt the kid could enjoy or comprehend what pot "does for him". I started tokin' up as a teenager, for chrissakes, and that shit hit me HARD. Whether or not weed is gonna permanently screw up a kid, it's definitely gonna make him/her completely fucking retarded for the drug's duration.. and what's the advantage in that?

I have a neighbor whose parents smoked pot around him his whole life. He's told me stories about lying around in his dad's room as a toddler, just breathing in the pot smoke, and he started actively smoking with them a few years later. Now, this is just my observation, not a clinical study, and there could be all kindsa factors involved, but this guy is SERIOUSLY FUCKED-UP today. "Perma-stoned", as they say. Ain't got no proof of causation, but I'd bet a lot of money that the constant haze imposed by his parents his whole fucking life had something to do with making him this way.

Still, I don't like the government rushing in and destroying peoples' families. Since pot's illegal, they can and will do everything they can to punish this woman. If I was in charge, I'd make her see a counselor and try to edjumacate her, cuz even if she sees weed as some kind of "lifestyle" or "religion" (IMO pretty daft), she should at least be made to realize that getting a kid stoned for laughs is not exactly good parenting. And make her pay for piss-tests for the kid for awhile, and get regular check-ups with a social worker. Regardless of one's position on the weed issue, this is provably really bad parenting, but I think it'd be better for her to get her act together than to be severed from her kid for such a long time.

 

[Vrach]

And pot might not have killed, but it's not all happy fun time good for you: you CAN OD on it but the amounts needed to OD on it are much like those of caffeine, so bloody high that you would have to concentrate it and inject the concentrated form directly into the body.

You can OD on (or more precisely said, be poisoned by) any substance providing a high enough dose, by that argument water, oxygen, anything can kill you too, so it's not really very valid for a discussion

Also, why are people replying to a person who ends their post with a "don't reply, don't care etc."?

OT: Dunno, personally don't have experience with pot nor the scientific knowledge to say whether it's actually harmful for a child. The sentence is too high (ba-dum-tish) though, if the child's unharmed, though for what my 2 cents are worth, it's probably best to take her kid away if they can find it a home.

 

[superbatranger]

Well..that was different. I wonder what made the mom give her daughter weed. Seriously, what part of her brain thought it was a good idea?

 

[Starke]

Heroin (by itself) is one of the only "hard drugs" that has no long term health repercussions from use.

Sorry, but I object to that; my father was a hard user of heroin for a long time and it almost killed him several times. Apart from weight loss, it also made him pretty paranoid and made him claw at his skin. It also helped mess up his legs.

Now, Heroin is frequently laced with strychnine as a byproduct of shitty production techniques, and you can OD on it, but the actual death rate from heroin itself is pretty fuckin' low.

I seriously doubt it is as low as you are thinking, but fair enough. Every area has a different rate.

You're partially right and I did misspeak. On its own it has no long term physiological effects. For example heroin won't result in nerve damage the way long term cocaine or meth abuse will. As to the fatalities, a lot more people die from the aforementioned strychnine contamination (which does do very nasty things in the long term).

I apologize if that error offended you. I was more irked with Cassita saying something incredibly idiotic (namely the crack and cocaine bit).

 

[DefunctTheory]

Psychoactive effects of pot CAN have long term mental effects.

Nope.

I challenge you to find a single study that supports this claim.

No such study exists.

You go on buying into the government's fear campaign - they wouldn't want you to believe a harmless herb they don't tax could be beneficial, after all.

While you are correct that no scientific study has found long term health issues associated with Marijuana usage (Except for one, which I'm looking for now, done by an Ivy League school that claimed smoking tobacco AND Weed nearly tripled the chances of lung cancer when compared to just smoking tobacco), short term learning problems have been noted for over 30 years. Now, in an adult, who gives a shit: We've learned most of what we need to make it by in day to day situations.

But in a 2 year old... Jesus. The kid is learning new things EVERYDAY. And it doesn't just apply to 'book learning.' Studies done a decade ago on the use of marijuana on autistic children showed a decrease in both book learning and social skills learning: basically, what little ability autistic children had to socialize was being lost. I can only speculate that it would do something similar to a normal child.

All the same, that's not really my concern. Mine is the fact that a yound child has been handed a lit stick of paper and leaves (You don't give 2 year olds fire/embers. That's stupid.), and the fact that children of that age have absolutely no concept of control. Yes, you may be able to control your (I use this to refer to any weed smoker who reads this, not any particular person) weed use and not wander around stoned 24/7, but this kid simply hasn't developed that part of her brain yet. She's going to treat weed like she treats candy (How well did you handle Halloween as a kid) as soon as she can use a lighter. And while weed use doesn't appear to be chemically habit forming, I'm pretty sure such a young child has a pretty good chance of getting a mental habit out of this.

 

[Mcupobob]

Who the hell found that video of me? I jest I jest.

OT: Well I have nothing against pot but 2 years old? Thats not right, and deserves the jail time. Now if the kid was 15-17 I wouldn't mind, his choice bla bla, again this ain't right.

 

[Starke]

Psychoactive effects of pot CAN have long term mental effects.

Nope.

I challenge you to find a single study that supports this claim.

No such study exists.

You go on buying into the government's fear campaign - they wouldn't want you to believe a harmless herb they don't tax could be beneficial, after all.

While you are correct that no scientific study has found long term health issues associated with Marijuana usage (Except for one, which I'm looking for now, done by an Ivy League school that claimed smoking tobacco AND Weed nearly tripled the chances of lung cancer when compared to just smoking tobacco), short term learning problems have been noted for over 30 years. Now, in an adult, who gives a shit: We've learned most of what we need to make it by in day to day situations.

But in a 2 year old... Jesus. The kid is learning new things EVERYDAY. And it doesn't just apply to 'book learning.' Studies done a decade ago on the use of marijuana on autistic children showed a decrease in both book learning and social skills learning: basically, what little ability autistic children had to socialize was being lost. I can only speculate that it would do something similar to a normal child.

All the same, that's not really my concern. Mine is the fact that a yound child has been handed a lit stick of paper and leaves (You don't give 2 year olds fire/embers. That's stupid.), and the fact that children of that age have absolutely no concept of control. Yes, you may be able to control your (I use this to refer to any weed smoker who reads this, not any particular person) weed use and not wander around stoned 24/7, but this kid simply hasn't developed that part of her brain yet. She's going to treat weed like she treats candy (How well did you handle Halloween as a kid) as soon as she can use a lighter. And while weed use doesn't appear to be chemically habit forming, I'm pretty sure such a young child has a pretty good chance of getting a mental habit out of this.

Wait, they dosed autistic children with marijuana? What the fuck? How do you even get that past a review board?

I'd be more worried about the kid jabbing herself with the roach than with her becoming an addict, unless you're referring to a long term effect on their mental development... which would be a legitimate concern, I guess.

 

[Mcupobob]

But in a 2 year old... Jesus. The kid is learning new things EVERYDAY. And it doesn't just apply to 'book learning.' Studies done a decade ago on the use of marijuana on autistic children showed a decrease in both book learning and social skills learning: basically, what little ability autistic children had to socialize was being lost. I can only speculate that it would do something similar to a normal child.

Sorry to chim in, a study I saw found that Nicontin(as in they used the patch) Reduced the effect of down sydrome and Austism. Not that has anything to do with pot, its just I thought It was an interesting fact. Oh and I don't belive pot can reduce mental capicty but it can make it harder to learn and such and cause short term memory loss.

So again, toddles shouldn't be taking any kind of recreational drug.

EDIT:Some grammar kind of.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

Let's just ban this idiot. She says the exact same thing on every forum.

Better yet, let's call her an idiot! Yeah, that'll teach her! -_-

'Idiot', ha. Where do I come up with these things?! -_-

Did you block him by any chance?

0T: No, you shouldn't give a kid pot. Not because one or two tokes are going to do any damage at all physically or mentally (if you say it will then you are talking out of your ass) but because you are basically just manipulating your child for entertainment. Don't do it on principle, I suppose.
I'd quite happily see pot legalized- BUT it should never be available to an inexperienced and highly dependant toddler.

The only real negative effect of legalizing weed would probably be that most indoor public spaces would soon become gigantic hotboxes. Which would be partly awesome and partly make it difficult to go shopping or do anything without having to try and drive back stoned.

 

[Starke]

Eh, I'm treating this with the level of seriousness that it deserves.
If someone comes into a thread and starts blocking anyone who makes an arguement against her I doubt I'm gonna bother treating her in a serious manner.

Seeing as Cassita got herself suspended, would you please consider making the effort to raise the level of debate in the thread now?

 

[oktalist]

I got drunk on sherry at the same age and I turned out alright. The problem is, it's smoke, and there is a statistical correlation between unexplained toddler deaths and parents who take up smoking cigarettes again after pregnancy, even if they don't smoke in the home, which shows that even that tiny amount of smokiness left on the parent's breath in enough to cause problems in toddlers. Still, eleven years is a bit much. Of course that is just the maximum she could get; she hasn't been sentenced yet.