U.K. Politician Using Oslo Shooting to Change Ratings

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Farther than stars said:
Jodah said:
Farther than stars said:
Jodah said:
As an American I say: /popcorn

I kid, I kid this guy needs smacked upside the head...preferably with a brick.
That's right, murder the opposition with a blunt object. Thanks for helping further enforce the stereotype. >.>
What stereotype? I use a brick not a gun. Everyone knows only guns kill people and only video games make people kill people...with guns.
So, you're avoiding responsibility for your earlier statement by using irony to support our side of the argument. That's actually rather clever. :)
Don't bother being nice, Jodah. They're so bitter about the fact that their politicians are the ones being retarded this time that even a friendly, tongue-in-cheek show of support is met with bile.

OT: Haha Brits. How does it feel to have people like this in your government? It must mean that ALL of you are misinformed, pro-censorship douche-bags!
 

Grey Day for Elcia

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A dog told the Sun of Sam killer to shoot women and he ultimately claimed half a dozen lives, I think it was.

BAN DOGS!
 

Grey Day for Elcia

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Fact: violence didn't exist before video games.

Fact: violent crime is on the rise in every country that allows video games.

Oh wait.
 

The White Hunter

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Loop Stricken said:
Oh for fuck's sake. When did my country decide to regress to the fucking Dark Ages?

... oh right, that election thing.
Well we elected a conservative government. That seemed to do the trick, taxing the poor, making a good education more exclusive. Yup, electing those there elitists sure set us forward!

That said I voted Lib Dem. Because Labour simply can not win in my constituency.

I don't want to live in this country anymore, I'm going to Switzerland, nothing stupid seems to happen there.

OT: Yeah this guy, I don't know why we let him speak.
 

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He "trained" for the killings by playing CoD? Really?!

So I guess that explains when he started the actual shooting his gun was shaped like a console controller, oh wait...

Honestly, my guess is that Anders made that up just to put a stick up the asses of polititians.

And as for this Keith guy...Ugh, never heard of him before but I don't need to. He's just another old fart who doesn't understand videogames and so tries to destroy everyones fun.
 

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Hannibal942 said:
Loop Stricken said:
Oh for fuck's sake. When did my country decide to regress to the fucking Dark Ages?

... oh right, that election thing.
Forgive this ignorant Yank, but are the conservatives in power currently?
They're the dominant party in a coalition, but Vaz is Labour anyway, ie not conservative in theory.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Maybe there doesnt seem to be one from your standpoint, but I can see people calling for that over here. Discussions on whether soccer matches should be held in front of a live audience, ever increasing numbers of police forces in stadiums, separating hooligans from families, debates on hooliganism, debates on the ban of fireworks in stadiums...

The difference is this fucking website will run an article on every cockroach that talks about video games while no one reports on problems in the soccer world.
I shall now ignore the point of this thread, but is it really that bad over there? Because we're supposed to have the worst football hooliganism in the world in the UK, and no one's trying to separate hooligans from their families or debating hooliganism and not having live audiences.
 

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Even if his law or ideals existed in Oslo during the planning, Brevik would have still gotten COD regardless.And I think even if it did teach him anything (I would think AA would teach him more and its free) the loans he was able to get helped him achieve far more than knowing how to shoot actually did.I wish politicians and media people that say such stupid things would be forced to retract the statement or be kicked out, its far more dangerous than COD because they may get someone to believe them (goose stepping anyone?) The big fiction disclaimers on most games separate the sane and goofy ;-)
 
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Thought Vaz was quite coherent and intelligible over the whole hacking and Leveson inquiry business.

... Now think entirely the opposite. Just another passenger aboard the bandwagon of ignorance and not-thinking-about-things.
 

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Loop Stricken said:
Oh for fuck's sake. When did my country decide to regress to the fucking Dark Ages?

... oh right, that election thing.
How did we ACCIDENTALLY vote in the Tories? Seriously, it was the worst possible move we could have made, and now everyone's complaining about taxes and strikes and job loss... ugh. [/rant]
 

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Samantha Burt said:
Loop Stricken said:
Oh for fuck's sake. When did my country decide to regress to the fucking Dark Ages?

... oh right, that election thing.
How did we ACCIDENTALLY vote in the Tories? Seriously, it was the worst possible move we could have made, and now everyone's complaining about taxes and strikes and job loss... ugh. [/rant]
Its because of all those people (including me), who fell for Nick Clegg's act hook line and sinker that we now have the Tories in power. The man has as much integrity as fucking sponge. Never again.
 

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He called CoD a simulation?

The military should make an uproar about this. It's a complete disrespect not so much for the people who are serving, but for the people THAT HAVE ACTUALLY DIED performing their duties.

Also, using tragedy to gain leverage. You have to be a shameless bastard to use the death of people to start pushing your political agenda.

Farther than stars said:
That's right, murder the opposition with a blunt object. Thanks for helping further enforce the stereotype. >.>
What stereotype? Americans exist because they FOUGHT DA POWAH. It's not a stereotype, it's a way of living.

You're only helping propagate the stereotype that we Europeans have a superiority complex and hate Americans.

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Even excluding the point that you need to have a certain something to actually kill someone let alone just shoot the damn thing straight.

Although I am glad there was a lack of signatures.
Breivik had to train with his rifle to maintain his gun ownership, and he was using a .223 Mini-14. That caliber doesn't kick hard.

The point is that he probably used the game for conditioning (the willingness of the average soldier to shoot another human the first time they have one in their sights increased when the first generation who grew up with videogames was deployed) - people are just misinterpreting what Breivik said.
 

Formica Archonis

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Greg Tito said:
Now, he is using the recent testimony [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116848-Norwegian-Mass-Murderer-Defends-Gaming-Habits] from the Norweigan shooter Anders Breivik to demand for stricter classification of games.
You know, when you start using the rantings of an insane mass murderer to support your cause, it's time for you to reevaluate your cause and precisely how desperate you are for support.

(Guys, if I ever get to the point where I say "Well, Charles Manson thinks I'm right!" someone please shoot me.)
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Maybe there doesnt seem to be one from your standpoint, but I can see people calling for that over here. Discussions on whether soccer matches should be held in front of a live audience, ever increasing numbers of police forces in stadiums, separating hooligans from families, debates on hooliganism, debates on the ban of fireworks in stadiums...

The difference is this fucking website will run an article on every cockroach that talks about video games while no one reports on problems in the soccer world.
Yet I bet the vast majority of that conversation focuses on the "hooligans", not on soccer itself.

Sports get all tied up with nationality and local image, encouraging people to identify with players and see them as larger-than-life, as "heroes". The commercial aspects of the games very much depend on this- on season ticket-holders, on people who dress in the colors and hang banners in their windows, people who make the advertisements played during the games attractive space to advertisers.

I admit, I can't speak with absolute certainty about soccer overseas. But over here, there are regular stories about the owners of sports teams demanding costly new stadiums, facilities, and every kind of concession from the cities they call home- and frequently getting them. Because the games are a non-trivial part of local economies, and because the attitudes people evidence towards their home teams often make those games all but sacrosanct.

One could argue that there's a case to be made that certain team sports encourage aggression- perhaps even more than violent video games, because the sense of community, rather than holding fans to a higher standard, creates an atmosphere that enables violent behavior, creates a new norm in which such actions are viewed as acceptable.

I would not necessarily make such a case. But I wouldn't suggest such a claim was less compelling than the one that video games beget violence. The comparison- or lack thereof- has far less to do with the credibility of one over the other and far more to do with the aggressive nature of sports being held to a different standard, with sports being considered a regular and acceptable part of daily life, a healthy activity for young people to excel in and a reasonable means of venting aggression.

His argument is a lot less ridiculous than yours. (And thats saying something!) Linking shooting people to a video game in which you shoot people is an obvious connection to make, if an incorrect one. Linking a video game in which you kick a ball around to what happens 4 hours after people kicked a ball around in the real world is much further out there.

Sorry if I am having a bit of a go at you here, I am just sick to death of hearing this stupid "99% of serial killers eat bread, ban bread!" argument.
I understand where you're coming from; suffice it to say I disagree about the relative ridiculousness of the cases. Perhaps more to the point, without such comparisons it may prove difficult for someone who doesn't appreciate video games to understand why the connection being made between the two is inappropriate. So-called "common sense" connections, as applied to hot-button topics, are wrong with remarkable frequency.
 

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Loop Stricken said:
Oh for fuck's sake. When did my country decide to regress to the fucking Dark Ages?

... oh right, that election thing.
Don't you mean "that politics thing"? I hear you man, our country's priorities are clearly a fucking joke.
 

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ElPatron said:
Farther than stars said:
That's right, murder the opposition with a blunt object. Thanks for helping further enforce the stereotype. >.>
What stereotype? Americans exist because they FOUGHT DA POWAH. It's not a stereotype, it's a way of living.

You're only helping propagate the stereotype that we Europeans have a superiority complex and hate Americans.
I was actually talking about a different stereotype.