U.S. destroyers on move as N. Korea prepares rocket launch

[McClaud]

Problem with harvesting resources IN SPACE is that we presently can't travel to other planets in our OWN SOLAR SYSTEM in a reasonable amount of time. Right now, we can't leave our solar system and reach another without getting cancer, suffering zero-gravity problems and basically dying of old age.

Some day, sir, it might work. But right now, proooooobably not.

Concidering the fact that we're not in some imminent shortage of ressources I think it's irrelevant to even mention this but just to discredit you I will point out a contradiction in what you just said.

http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/home/index.html

We traveled to mars, with the help of a robot. This proves without a doubt that we can reach other planets without any problem and gather any ressources we need at will.

If we can't go to space there will be robots to make those trips back and forth if needed and it wont be a problem. We just dont need it right now because we got so many ressources on the planet.

Mining operations take actual on-site people. We tried to do an entire robotic mining operation on EARTH and it doesn't work without at least a few people there to compensate for things that robots and support AI's can't do.

And as someone already remarked, sending a Rover to Mars is simple. Sending a mining operation to Mars that can covey materials efficiently in a decent amount of time back to Earth is way more complex than you realize. We're more likely to mine a few asteroids in the next 100 years than actually start a mining colony anywhere on another planet. With just robots, it would take somewhere in the area of 250 years to get a mining colony on the MOON up to producing decent Helium mining. With people, less than 100.

OK, N. Korea could theoretically start an artillery strike on Seoul. But that's not not an offensive. A military offensive is more than just throwing grenades or 155mm shells over a fence. If N. Korea starts a war against S. Korea this is what will happen:

1) As soon as it becomes clear war is inevitable, China will remove N. Korea's nuclear deterrent, to avoid the possibility of WWIII.

2) 3 hours into the war, N. Korean Air Force will be destroyed by the combined forces of S. Korean and US Air Forces.

3) 12 hours into the war, N. Korean Army's mobile units will all be immobilized by ground attacks from S. Korea / USA. Probably before they can breakthrough the DMZ.

This is assuming S. Korea does not launch a pre-emptive strike against N. Korea; and assuming China and Japan both stay out of the war.

Chances are, China would invade on one side, and we'll invade on the other. The North Korean hardliners would all hide out in their mountain caves. North Korea would shrink to be just those mountains and stop existing as a larger country altogether.

 

[Aramax]

Have you seen the FAQ on his website?

http://www.korea-dpr.com/faq.htm

Funny you say "his" website, refering to Kim Jong-il, in this sentence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Friendship_Association

Alejandro Cao de Benos de Les y Pérez, the guy who owns the website you posted, is a Spanish citizen. Long fake name and lame fake website to extort money from dumb people.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Have you seen the FAQ on his website?

http://www.korea-dpr.com/faq.htm

Funny you say "his" website, refering to Kim Jong-il, in this sentence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Friendship_Association

Alejandro Cao de Benos de Les y Pérez, the guy who owns the website you posted, is a Spanish citizen. Long fake name and lame fake website to extort money from dumb people.

Looks to me like it's still an NK site.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Yeah, I can imagine this playing out

North Korea: Thats it we are declaring war!

US+China+Basically the rest of the world: Fine, we are eager for a reason to capture your country and claim it is for the best, what are you going to do? Use missiles? We have a missile defense shield, bring it.

Missle defense shields don't work. They are a propaganda too. Remember the Patriot missle batteries from Desert Storm? They didn't do anything. [http://www.slate.com/id/2080615/]

Nope, ya wrong, missile shields back then were a hell of a lot worse then they are now, with our super-mega advanced technology (Come on we got laser intercepting missiles now!) those crudely made missiles won't stand much of chance, and if all else fails I'll use my laser shark.

Dude, they couldn't hit SCUDs. SCUDs were 1960s tech, and their ultra supa-mega technology couldn't hit one of them. If you think they can hit something moving a lot faster and a lot smaller you are mistaken. All currently working counter missle technology operates by confusing the guidance systems of the missle (chaff, flares, jammers).

War isn't a video game.

http://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/us-missile-defense-system-costly-but-worthless/

There is no unambiguous, empirical evidence to support the contention that kinetic kill for ICBM defense will work. There is no empirical evidence of air defense system with a probability of intercept much greater than about 30 percent.

A loony left site? Naah, the Congressional Research Service.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL31111.pdf

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Oh, so they have tested them recently? (Yes) Oh, I doubt they worked, did they? (Yes). Also, if they didn't work then there is nothing to worry about, they will miss the missile the Koreans (North) are launching. Listen, I think they will, the technology behind them are extremely great, they made a howitzer shell that can hit a target from 3 miles off course. I'm damn sure that missile will go down, I doubt they will launch one in the first place.

Nope. They never tested them in a situation which accurately mimics an attack. They tested it against a type of drone where they knew in advance details such as it's speed, trajectory, composition, possible defense mechanism, what time it would be taking off etc. Tests against targets without an extreme level of predictability have never been performed, and for good reason - it wouldn't work. Missile defense is the same as it was in Iraq, it is a tool of the propaganda war. Giving an illusion of safety where none exists.

 

[vamp rocks]

well, if world war 3 does start... at least we have the voice command system for our troops.. XD

but seriously, they probably wont do anything malicious... probably...

 

[Fenrir45]

From test firing rockets?

Test firing rockets is the preferred method of making sure weapon systems work effectively.

I don't think it would be in the countries best interest to make a bunch of weapons and then not test them. That's dangerous.

What will happen if {insert country here} test fired rockets that "accidently" hit major cities in {insert country here}

 

[cdbd3rd]

Can NK attack me? No? Then I don't care.

Americans... delusional to the point they think they're invincible.

The economical crisis can do some crazy thing on the loyalty of those people you think are portecting you. And i'm not just talking about the soldiers.

If we took our army over there and tried to stop them, we'd still be called delusional.

They can't attack me, there are plenty of other nations nearby that can help if they decide to go all fighty... why is this my concern again?

I'm figuring a lot of you didnt live thru the Cold War of the late 70's/early 80's.
The new Russian bossman is starting up the old arguements and supporting the moron in charge of NK. THAT is what should be getting your attention.

No one anywhere can afford to not pay attention to what's going on around the world. All too many times, history has a way of repeating itself. Our involvement in Irag/Afg too much like 'Nam all over again - and we should be able to see that. Russia stepping up for the last remnants of Communist powertards...
We've been there. It should be clear that it *could* turn into a wider issue that NK and it's neighbors.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

From test firing rockets?

Test firing rockets is the preferred method of making sure weapon systems work effectively.

I don't think it would be in the countries best interest to make a bunch of weapons and then not test them. That's dangerous.

What will happen if {insert country here} test fired rockets that "accidently" hit major cities in {insert country here}

Hopefully the nation doing the tests will be smart enough to remove the warheads in those rockets, and so there wouldn't be any fatalities unless it crashed directly into a house or car or something. But you never can tell with this guy...