U.S. Senator Takes Pro-NRA, Anti-GTA Stance

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2fish

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publikman said:
There hasn't even been a GTA released in years. You might as well blame Doom or Duck Hunt.
Leave Duck Hunt alone! That was the only game I could win! :(

We really need to find a new scape goat for all the issues we don't really want to address this is getting dull. Too bad the reason all these debates arose is now so overshadowed by the debates that no one will remember it unless they were directly involved.
 

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This reminds me of something I read awhile back. Something about a study being done from the lessons that kids learn from GTA.

Basically, young kids (under 13 years old) were allowed to play a GTA game extensively anyway they saw fit. And they asked them what lessons they learned from the game when they were done. The lessons they learned were things such as:

-Gang life is dangerous
-Guns are dangerous
-Once you begin Gang life; It's hard, almost impossible to escape
-Many gangsters die young
-If you commit crimes, the police will come after and won't stop until you are jailed or worse.

As fun as the games were to play and fun as it was to take part in the virtual violence of GTA, those kids got the point that GTA games convey. When asked what real-world lessons they can take away from their experiences with GTA, they lessons they claimed to have learned are very real and very serious stuff.

So in conclusion: Kids are smarter than this fuckwit of a politician.
Do you know where I could find this study? I know a few people that would be interested to read such a thing.
 

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This video is still relevant for all the crap news reporting we are going to get the next couple of weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uwAo8lcAC4
 

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I think that Ronald Regan said it even better than I could.

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RandV80

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And he's right; This is a topic that is not only sensitive to just about everyone, but also has a multitude of angles and inspires passionate opinions. But while we're being careful to not step on the toes of everyone from gun owners to mental health practitioners, shouldn't the same care be given to the developers and publishers of videogames? I'll leave that to you to decide.
The sad truth is it will only matter when the people that may get offended or pissed off at these statements represent a meaningful voter demography.
 

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Listen, Internet... you know, I like you and all - but this thing you're doing sometimes, you know, pestering me with this unfathomable amount of Stupid... not cool.
 

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no matter what your view on guns is you have to admit blaming guns is still more valid then saying games are at fault. that assumes you have logic and are not a senator that likely to be lieing in order to gain supporters
 

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I'm so tired of "Video games" Being a stand in for "Mental health, gun control," In discussion after a shooting.
It is disgusting how it happens every time.
 

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Comments like this from a Senator do nothing to progress the debate. Heck, even the people presenting the Ban Guns argument are missing a broader point.

Short term, banning guns would resolve some crime. It wouldn't change the mass shootings though. The fact that these shooters have been able to make dangerous bombs means that if they wanted to kill a lot of people they still have viable weapons. The worst cases of mass murder have always been with bombs like the Bath School Bombing of 1927.

Long term we're in a bit of a pickle. Lets take the AR-15 as the example. Right now you can buy all the parts but 1 without a licence or check. Part of the reason for that is most of the parts have duel purposes. However, if you happen to have one of these nice 2000$ 3D printers you can just print up that missing part. The group that provides the blueprints for that part is working to get a fully printable gun. In 10 years 3D printers will be cheap enough anyone could have access to one. Cheap disposable undetectable guns are a real long term threat, and even things like the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988 won't stop this from being developed by freelancers, or the files/blueprints from being hosted outside of the country.

We've also been dismantling our Mental Health system for the last hundred years. Mostly because it was abused with overcrowded Asylums and inhuman experimentation. But we replaced it with nothing. We don't really know how to deal with people like the VA Tech shooter who bable on and fantasize about killing people, but letting them roam around unchecked hasn't been a good idea. We can't spot every killer, but some of these shootings of late the people around them knew the person was unhinged prior.

I'd say that Video Game do cause Violent Behavior. However, it causes it in the same way [a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=eRRscCkK_oYC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=freakonomics+leave+it+to+beaver&source=bl&ots=6YvzaFybXO&sig=rexT_UNEki2E3nyxNzu0t0jTrH0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=m9TUUJX3A4eqiAL7vYGoBA&ved=0CIIBEOgBMAk#v=onepage&q=freakonomics%20leave%20it%20to%20beaver&f=false"]Leave it to Beaver[/a] can be linked to a rise crime. Something happened when we started watching TV and it hasn't ever gone back. There isn't anything we can do about that unless we want to ban all TV with games.

It'll be nice if they could make some progress on gun control or mental health. I doubt they will.
 

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Ahh, a good, old-fashioned, ideologically driven US political shit-storm is brewing. From the US of A to the rest of the world, sit back and enjoy the show. This has all the makings to be quite interesting.

All the credit in the world to him for admitting that banning assault weapons makes sense though. Even that is often a huge deal for the extremely pro-gun crowd to concede.

The fact is, the whole "We need guns to defend ourselves from the government" argument no longer has any basis in reality, in the age of predator drones, armored personnel carriers and other modern technologies. No group of civilians, armed with shotguns and pistols, and even civilian legal assault rifles (which are often just knock-offs of the real things made from inferior components) has any chance of "defending themselves" against a modern, professionally trained and armed military force.

While the argument to ban guns completely does have some valid points, and some good numbers from countries that have, guns are just too pervasive, both in actual numbers and in cultural significance in the US to ban completely. However, I DO believe that regulations on the types of guns and their ammunition capacities are needed. The 2nd Amendment itself calls for a "well regulated" militia (something a lot of people seem to overlook). You don't need a 30-round magazine on your rifle, you don't need a pistol that can hold 20+ rounds. Hell, I could go out today, and legally buy and own a shotgun that holds 16 shells. As cool as that is, no civilian should have that kind of sustained firepower.

Honestly, I'd be in favor of banning semi-auto handguns along with assault-rifles (although the sheer number of semi-autos basically makes that impossible). It's a whole lot harder to shoot up a room with a 6-shooter than it is with a glocke.

So yes, I support gun ownership (partly because I do believe people should have some form of self defense, and partly because it would be impossible to completely ban them at this point), but we need to have some serious, reasonable limits. The Constitution was designed to be a living document, so that it could change with the times as the nation changed with the times. The only valid reasons for owning a gun in this modern world are self-defense, recreation shooting or hunting, and the laws should be altered to reflect that.
 

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rcs619 said:
Ahh, a good, old-fashioned, ideologically driven US political shit-storm is brewing. From the US of A to the rest of the world, sit back and enjoy the show. This has all the makings to be quite interesting.

All the credit in the world to him for admitting that banning assault weapons makes sense though. Even that is often a huge deal for the extremely pro-gun crowd to concede.

The fact is, the whole "We need guns to defend ourselves from the government" argument no longer has any basis in reality, in the age of predator drones, armored personnel carriers and other modern technologies. No group of civilians, armed with shotguns and pistols, and even civilian legal assault rifles (which are often just knock-offs of the real things made from inferior components) has any chance of "defending themselves" against a modern, professionally trained and armed military force.

While the argument to ban guns completely does have some valid points, and some good numbers from countries that have, guns are just too pervasive, both in actual numbers and in cultural significance in the US to ban completely. However, I DO believe that regulations on the types of guns and their ammunition capacities are needed. The 2nd Amendment itself calls for a "well regulated" militia (something a lot of people seem to overlook). You don't need a 30-round magazine on your rifle, you don't need a pistol that can hold 20+ rounds. Hell, I could go out today, and legally buy and own a shotgun that holds 16 shells. As cool as that is, no civilian should have that kind of sustained firepower.

Honestly, I'd be in favor of banning semi-auto handguns along with assault-rifles (although the sheer number of semi-autos basically makes that impossible). It's a whole lot harder to shoot up a room with a 6-shooter than it is with a glocke.

So yes, I support gun ownership (partly because I do believe people should have some form of self defense, and partly because it would be impossible to completely ban them at this point), but we need to have some serious, reasonable limits. The Constitution was designed to be a living document, so that it could change with the times as the nation changed with the times. The only valid reasons for owning a gun in this modern world are self-defense, recreation shooting or hunting, and the laws should be altered to reflect that.
A single voice of reason in a world (or at least country) gone mad.

I would help you in your quest to change your nation, but I live on an island in the Pacific and won't be of much use.
 

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he's also advocating real steel firearms that 1: he lacks the knowledge to operate, and 2: The BIG one: DO kill people.
Actually, guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people. Honestly, these hippie types drive me up the wall.
Actually, it's not bullets, it's god who kills people. He guides these bullets where He wants them to go.
You're all wrong; it's PHYSICS which kills people. Physics is what gets the bullets to their targets in the first place, and yet for some reason authorities haven't even prosecuted him yet.
 

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I cannot wait for his generation to die out.

Apologies to anyone with parents at that age, no harm meant. My parents are also that age, or maybe even older, but I still stand by what I said. I know idiots will still exist, bla bla bla hurr durr burr.
 

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What the hell is about US and their guns?! Why can't they just leave them be? I'd honestly like to see a senator shot in the leg, so one could tell how much it hurts to get shot. Guns aren't useful. Why can't people see that?! @]£[@£\[{. All this is so stupid. I can't fathom as to why they're so being so ignorant. Blast it.
 

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erttheking said:
I think that Ronald Regan said it even better than I could.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/393049_307355569382101_763328734_n.jpg
Well I was gonna say something similar to this but it wouldn't have been nearly as nice. Seriously, instead of trying to find some external reason for why these things happen let's place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the cunts who commit the crimes.
 

Strazdas

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Grand Theft Auto is always a fair game. they lost a court for a mod, so its clearly a company that likes to take a beating.
 

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Alternate Title: "U.S. Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia confirms difficultly distinguishing reality from fantasy."