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[omega 616]

I know this isn't the best website to talk sports and this topic will probably sink like the Hindenburg but I'm hoping at least some people will appreciate the skill and see it as more than human cock fighting.

So in a couple of hours the new biggest star is fighting the first person to hand him his first loss in the UFC, Conor Mcgregor VS Nate Diaz.

I thoroughly recommend watching the lead up to the first fight, the first fight and the lead up to the second fight ... ESPECIALLY if you like WWE! 'cos this shit is 100% a WWE promo piece.


Conor is great on the mic, real heel character but it's only 'cos he has figured out the more quality trash talk you spew out the more money you make, has flashy kicks and great MMA boxing. Diaz is a 100% stoner, who "don't give a fuck" has insane cardio and is the much bigger, stronger, better on the ground and more typical boxing style.

It's going to be an interesting fight in more ways than one. Conor went into the first fight with all the hype in the world, after knocking out the greatest featherweight and only featherweight title holder in 13 seconds and the ability to predict to eerie degree how he was going to win... then he went up 2 weight classes and fought a very seasoned, tough kid (who only had a 2 week camp to prepare for the fight) who everybody underestimated. So, if Conor losses again the hype is really destroyed and now he just some gobby kid who can't fight and Diaz is finally recognised as a great fighter OR Conor wins and does something nobody has ever done, gone up two weight classes and beat a top 10 fighter in that division and hopefully goes on to be the first hold two belts at the same time and Diaz gets cemented with "the first one was a fluke, I knew he wasn't that good".

So what are your predictions?

I honestly have no clue!

 

[lee1287]

Diaz, again. Connor is such a dick, i get its part of the game, but nah. Go Nate

 

[omega 616]

Diaz, again. Connor is such a dick, i get its part of the game, but nah. Go Nate

I think if a gun was put to my head I'd pick Nate, his endurance and cardio are just insane ... he eats punches that knock other guys out and just carries on walking forward and even when RDA destroyed his leg, he just walked through it.

I think Conor has a lot to do, use the blue print RDA set out and attack his legs, then use it to set up the hands. I think Diaz will finish like last time (basically TKO him and then tap him out) or Conor goes the distance and wins on points, by sticking and moving all fight long, while Diaz just lumbers around.

 

[Glongpre]

Man, this fight was amazing. The first couple rounds I was like holy shit, Conor might KO him!!!!

But then Nate came on, and I was like holy shit it is fight 1 all over again!!!

BUT THEN, Conor gets a second wind and holds his own.

My god, that was one of the most entertaining fights in a while. Can't wait for #3.

And also for Conor to fight Aldo#2. That will be a fantastic striking match. Aldo will make sure not to bullrush in like last time, and be able to show his great striking.
Conor has amazing striking, his timing and accuracy is on Anderson Silva levels.

 

[Glongpre]

I find it ridiculous that both Cruz and Cormier thought Condit was going to beat Maia. Did they not watch the previous like, 4 matches where Maia was quite literally a human backpack, and completely dominated his opponents? And they think Condit will be able to stop him? Lmao, please.

Maia is so fun to watch because he is so good. I think Woodley is the only one who has a good chance to beat him because Woodley is a great wrestler, who also has extreme punching power. He can tag him coming in, or just use his strength to control Maia (if it is possible to get on top of him!).

Just had to get that out.

Also, super excited to see Overeem vs Miocic, and Werdum vs Brown. Two great match ups.
I wanna see Reem win just so he can finally get that belt trifecta or whatever is was, I forget. I think it was K1, Pride, and UFC?

 

[omega 616]

Man, this fight was amazing. The first couple rounds I was like holy shit, Conor might KO him!!!!

But then Nate came on, and I was like holy shit it is fight 1 all over again!!!

BUT THEN, Conor gets a second wind and holds his own.

My god, that was one of the most entertaining fights in a while. Can't wait for #3.

And also for Conor to fight Aldo#2. That will be a fantastic striking match. Aldo will make sure not to bullrush in like last time, and be able to show his great striking.
Conor has amazing striking, his timing and accuracy is on Anderson Silva levels.

I don't see how Aldo can win, Conor just went up two weight classes and knocked down Nate Diaz 3 times ... Nate Diaz takes more punishment than most punching bags and carries on walking you down throwing his own heavy shots.

The fuck is Aldo going to do? Smuggle in a baseball bat? I honestly can't see how Aldo can win, except to throw leg kicks for 25 minutes. For Conor it will be like climbing mount Everest with a 500lbs weight in the Nate fight, then riding a bike down hill for the Aldo fight. He has done the hard thing and taken punches from a bigger man that he had no right to knock down 3 times and now he is expected to fight a guy who doesn't hit as hard and can't take a punch as well?

Condit is an animal though, he has great stand up and is a work horse. Maia is great on the ground but that stand up is rough (from what I remember of him) Was a classic Stand up VS grappler fight and the striker always starts with the advantage.

I had no clue who would win that fight ... Carlos keeps it on the feet, he wins. Maia takes it to the ground, he wins.

As for good opponents for him, can't remember Woodley's ground game, has great knock out power ... not many can put Lawlers head on their knock out list. I think most ground guys would struggle to Maia, Nate Diaz might have a chance down there but it would be rough.

I think you'd have to pick great strikers, with great take down defence ... the Chuck Liddell style fighters, I remember Nate Marquardt one punched him off his feet.

Overeem is a wild card to be, ever since he stopped being ubereem, I think he has been touch and go. If the right Overeem turns up, Miocic will have a LONG night! However I think Miocic will knock him out, look what he did to Werdum ... it wasn't even a power shot, just a little stiff straight/hook on the jaw and Werdum dropped. Miocic is younger and not as battered but Overeem is about as experienced as you get in the West. I think Miocic will win but it will be close ... either somebody is getting knocked out or they respect each other than much it's a circling staring contest (which Overeem seems to specialise in these days)

Werdum and Brown? I don't really rate Brown as a good fighter (not sure why) but Werdum just lost his belt and probably trained hard after the loss, he is as experienced as fuck, SCARY ground game and good boxing ... if he doesn't charge like he did against Miocic and doesn't let Brown dictate distance, Werdum will walk over him.

 

[Glongpre]

The fuck is Aldo going to do? Smuggle in a baseball bat?

No, he already has two. Another one would undoubtedly help
Aldo was champ for such a long time though, and he just destroyed Edgar, so it should be a great striking match.

Condit is an animal though, he has great stand up and is a work horse. Maia is great on the ground but that stand up is rough (from what I remember of him) Was a classic Stand up VS grappler fight and the striker always starts with the advantage.

I had no clue who would win that fight ... Carlos keeps it on the feet, he wins. Maia takes it to the ground, he wins.

Yea Condit has cardio out his ass, but the thing was, Maia wouldn't keep it standing(because his striking is indeed bad), and Condit has never been very good at initial takedown defence.
Good wrestlers like GSP, Hendricks would take him down easy, and Maia is like a jits god.

Overeem is a wild card to be, ever since he stopped being ubereem, I think he has been touch and go. If the right Overeem turns up, Miocic will have a LONG night! However I think Miocic will knock him out, look what he did to Werdum ... it wasn't even a power shot, just a little stiff straight/hook on the jaw and Werdum dropped. Miocic is younger and not as battered but Overeem is about as experienced as you get in the West. I think Miocic will win but it will be close ... either somebody is getting knocked out or they respect each other than much it's a circling staring contest (which Overeem seems to specialise in these days)

Haha, yeah. I mean, he has gotten better in the UFC after altering his gameplan. He was getting KOed before because he came in with his K1 style, but the gloves aren't big, or pillowy enough for that to work.
He seems to be favouring a distance and countering game. And it is working so far anyway. But yeah, his chin is really suspect and Miocic is a great striker.
But I mean, Dos Santos is a great striker too, and he got beaten decisively.
The thing in Miocic's favour I think, is that he won't be afraid to mix in some wrestling, so he will be able to either feint and KO reem, or just take him down and GNP ftw.
Don't know how Reem's ground game is, but probably not that good.

 

[omega 616]

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I'd be surprised if Aldo gets out the first round.

If I remember correctly, Overeems ground isn't even good. He is K1 and hope it doesn't go to the ground 'cos to be honest, I think a lot of the heavyweights are just strikers, Cain is an all rounder, Werdum loves the ground and Mir is ok on the ground. Other than it's KO for days.

 

[Glongpre]

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I'd be surprised if Aldo gets out the first round.

If I remember correctly, Overeems ground isn't even good. He is K1 and hope it doesn't go to the ground 'cos to be honest, I think a lot of the heavyweights are just strikers, Cain is an all rounder, Werdum loves the ground and Mir is ok on the ground. Other than it's KO for days.

Hehe, yea, Reem probably doesn't even know what ground game means. And that is pretty true, heavyweight is mostly striking. Hmmm, I wonder why that is, why there hasn't been a lot of heavyweight jits guys, or judo or something. If they do know ground stuff it is usually wrestling.
Prob because they grew up just using their power and strength, and never thought or needed to use jits or other more technical ground styles.

 

[omega 616]

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I'd be surprised if Aldo gets out the first round.

If I remember correctly, Overeems ground isn't even good. He is K1 and hope it doesn't go to the ground 'cos to be honest, I think a lot of the heavyweights are just strikers, Cain is an all rounder, Werdum loves the ground and Mir is ok on the ground. Other than it's KO for days.

Hehe, yea, Reem probably doesn't even know what ground game means. And that is pretty true, heavyweight is mostly striking. Hmmm, I wonder why that is, why there hasn't been a lot of heavyweight jits guys, or judo or something. If they do know ground stuff it is usually wrestling.
Prob because they grew up just using their power and strength, and never thought or needed to use jits or other more technical ground styles.

I think it's just that they aren't very flexible and their cardio usually sucks, keeping in mind nothing is more draining than the grappling and ground game.

They are so bulky that forcing their arms or legs into small spaces isn't easy, they gas more easily and they aren't nimble at all. Whereas if you go to the lighter divisions they are like two lizards fighting. Even Damian Maia, who is kind of a big guy could grapple with heavyweights and do well ... look what happened in UFC1 Gracie was just tapping every fool.

 

[Vicarious Reality]

I do not watch such crudity

 

[Glongpre]

I do not watch such crudity

The people do not favour your decision.

 

[Glongpre]

That was a weird event.

CM Punk was obviously going to get wrecked, so no surprise there.

Werdum vs Brown was just one sided, it seemed like Brown lost all will to fight after whatever happened to his finger. Werdum was just trolling.

Miocic vs Reem was like, what? Reem seems so uncomfortable in the octagon. He knows his chin is glass so he has to run away to keep distance, but once he feels he is trapped he just becomes a punching bag. Dude needs to work on a lot, and he has a crazy amount of experience! Miocic is a sweet striker, he will have some great match ups coming up with Werdum or Cain. Both should be good fights.

Reem just makes me sad, he has so much potential because of his crazy power, and his great striking skillset, but he never throws anything. I would like to see him throw his kicks more, they are sledgehammers. Maybe he will go back to the drawing board for his style, cause his hit and run style is a gamble, but then again, fighting itself is all risk/reward.

 

[omega 616]

That was a weird event.

CM Punk was obviously going to get wrecked, so no surprise there.

Werdum vs Brown was just one sided, it seemed like Brown lost all will to fight after whatever happened to his finger. Werdum was just trolling.

Miocic vs Reem was like, what? Reem seems so uncomfortable in the octagon. He knows his chin is glass so he has to run away to keep distance, but once he feels he is trapped he just becomes a punching bag. Dude needs to work on a lot, and he has a crazy amount of experience! Miocic is a sweet striker, he will have some great match ups coming up with Werdum or Cain. Both should be good fights.

Reem just makes me sad, he has so much potential because of his crazy power, and his great striking skillset, but he never throws anything. I would like to see him throw his kicks more, they are sledgehammers. Maybe he will go back to the drawing board for his style, cause his hit and run style is a gamble, but then again, fighting itself is all risk/reward.

CM punk did the only thing I didn't expect, charge across that octagon like he wanted to be the quickest person ever to be knocked out in a pro fight.

I think Werdum just royally fucked with Browne's head, first thing he does? Flying side kick, NOBODY saw that coming! If I had said to you before the fight "Werdum is going to throw a flying side kick to start" you'd have doubled over laughing at me! Then he starts throwing somersault kicks! Werdum has been watching too much Yair Rodriguez, if you ask me. Then of course Browne eye pokes, his most effective tactic but to add to that he also hurts his wee lil finger and has a moan to the ref ... what the fuck is going on in this fight? Browne is cheating his tits off and Werdum thinks he is Yair, then to really prove he is, he front kicks that muppet Edmond Tarverdyan (can't stand that dude!). Werdum CRUISED to a win, he could have tapped or knocked out Browne at will and then wants a title shot? Need to impress to get a shot.

Then to carry on with fighters getting confused to their identity, Reem thinks he is Kalib Starnes ... why all the running, did he see Conor do it, people seemed ok with it and then thought "well, my chin is glass so I'll just stick and sprint!". It was exciting though, which was a change for the rest of the card ... Reem rocked, Miocic rocked, Reem rocked, Miocic rocked, I had no idea who was going to eat dirt first.

I think for Reem to be the destroyer he has the potential to be, he needs to work his ability to get up from the ground! Have confidence in "if I get taken down, I know I can pop back up like Chuck Liddell". Then throw kicks, throw leg and body kicks till the opponent is hobbling round and his hands have dropped to protect the ribs ... the rest is cake!

I am by far no MMA expert but I think fighters prioritise the head WAY, WAY too much! Some worse than others, people who know they have knock out power, just hunt for that knock out by swinging these hay makers that the opponent can see coming a mile away! Then most fighters slam 80% of their punches into the opponents hands and arms. Some fighters, especially the Diaz brothers (Nick more than Nate), rip the body to bits! but even then it's mostly head.

I bet a fighter who spent the first round firing 80% of their shots to the legs and body, would win by knock out in the second or third! EASILY! The opponents gas tank will be effected by the body shots, his hands will drop (to protect the body) and open his head up, the leg shots will slow the movement of the opponent, which again makes them easier to hit. On top of that, most people will never expect it ... who the fuck ignores the head? Nobody. Most people don't even bother to check leg kicks or body shots.

 

[Glongpre]

I am by far no MMA expert but I think fighters prioritise the head WAY, WAY too much! Some worse than others, people who know they have knock out power, just hunt for that knock out by swinging these hay makers that the opponent can see coming a mile away! Then most fighters slam 80% of their punches into the opponents hands and arms. Some fighters, especially the Diaz brothers (Nick more than Nate), rip the body to bits! but even then it's mostly head.

I bet a fighter who spent the first round firing 80% of their shots to the legs and body, would win by knock out in the second or third! EASILY! The opponents gas tank will be effected by the body shots, his hands will drop (to protect the body) and open his head up, the leg shots will slow the movement of the opponent, which again makes them easier to hit. On top of that, most people will never expect it ... who the fuck ignores the head? Nobody. Most people don't even bother to check leg kicks or body shots.

I am totally with you on that. Body shots are highly underrated and underutilized. They are not fun to take, and one good body shot that you weren't expecting and it becomes Dos Anjos vs Cerrone. Getting winded is a death sentence (unless you are Matt Brown).

I also think people need to target different parts of the body while doing GnP. I certainly wouldn't want someone driving elbows into my ribs while laying on top of me, and controlling me so I can't do shit.
Wrestlers have a great position for that as well, in half guard, or if they get to side guard, where they can also throw knees to the ribs.

 

[Glongpre]

Omg, 205 is going to be amazing. They have so many potentially awesome fights. I mean, 3 championship fights? Ludicrous.
There is so much talent on the card, Khabib is on the freakin prelims. Holy shit, the #1 contender in his division is on the prelims.

An injury bug would be devastating though.

Calling it now, Alvarez gets injured, Dana calls up Aldo for a fight with McGregor at 155, Aldo agrees. Fantastic fight happens, the 145 belt is up for grabs.

Just bananas.

Oh geez, Miller/Alves is going to be great too. And Edgar/Stevens.

 

[omega 616]

Omg, 205 is going to be amazing. They have so many potentially awesome fights. I mean, 3 championship fights? Ludicrous.
There is so much talent on the card, Khabib is on the freakin prelims. Holy shit, the #1 contender in his division is on the prelims.

An injury bug would be devastating though.

Calling it now, Alvarez gets injured, Dana calls up Aldo for a fight with McGregor at 155, Aldo agrees. Fantastic fight happens, the 145 belt is up for grabs.

Just bananas.

Oh geez, Miller/Alves is going to be great too. And Edgar/Stevens.

Yeah, it's going to be absurdly good.

I'll do my picks, starting form the bottom...

Never head of Chookagian, so Carmouche but only 'cos I've heard of her!

Haven't heard of either of those dudes, random guess at Muhammad.

Alves VS Miller is some old school UFC 150 shit, some old school names! Alves is a pitbull but Miller is somebody who just takes abuse and gives it back ... tough but I think Miller, unless Alves can KO in the first.

Boetsch is the most unpredictable guy in the UFC, to me. Sometimes he comes out and looks unstoppable but other times it's like did you train for this fight or eat pizza and down beers? I'll give it to Natal, seems very experienced.

Kennedy. 1) I think Rashard was never that good and he has been out the game too long and looked abysmal in his last fight. 2) Kennedy is a badass! Sniper, ranger and if Brendan Schaub is telling the truth, he told ISIS his address. 3) Kennedy looked great against Yoel in that bullshit of bullshit fights!

Khabib has a lot of hype behind him but I'm not buying into to it to be honest, I think Johnson is going to repeat what he did to Dustin and clip him.

Edgar, Stephens is another UFC 150 some old names. Stephen was recently on Joe Rogan podcast and he was talking about this "functional patterns" guy, basically a movement coach ... which I am not to hot on the idea of so I think he might have focused on that too much. Not to mention he is a "throw everything, every time" type fighter. Frankie has GREAT foot work AND just got destroyed by Aldo, so I think he has focused super hard on this fight and doesn't want to be dominated again. So, I think Frankie.

I love cupcake and she is tough as fuck, WAY more experienced and at high level competition. So, cupcake!

COWBOY! Dude just ninja'd the fuck out of Story! Looking amazing at the moment. Gastelum, is a newbie but always surprises me. I count him out every time but he keeps winning but I think Cowboy is too experienced and technical. Cowboy will win.

I think Weidman is over rated and got lucky against Silva twice. I hate Yoel since that shit with Kennedy but I think he will win.

I love Joanna and kowalkiewicz is a decision machine, I think Joanna will end her.

Oh jesus ... erm Woodley has the power to end Wonderboy but he has to touch him first but Wonderboy is a ghost! Woodley is good at touching normal stanced fighters, not some side on dude with a super wide base and cracks you like lightening and then gets out of there! Unless Woodley closes Thompson down and pressures him like RDA did to Pettis, Thompson will win.

Then the big one ... Eddie will win. He will pressure Conor, take him down, ground and pound, probably submit. I think even he tries to stand and bang with Conor, he will win. He just looks far too powerful and Conor gasses easily, after the first two rounds if Conor is still in the fight, Eddie will turn it on and knock him out ... No idea how Conor wins.

 

[Glongpre]

Mmmmk, I'll put my picks as well.

Alvarez vs Conor - I will pick Conor. I think Eddie will try and bang with him and get caught. That said, it wouldn't surprise me to see him lay on him for the decision like he did against Pettis.

Woodley vs Thompson - This will be a great fight. I got Woodley. I just have a feeling he will catch him with a monster right and end wonderboys night.

Women's I don't follow too much, but I will check out both Tate's and Jedrefornoerno's fights. I got Tate and the champ.

Weidman vs Romero - I got Weidman. He is just a crafty, all around solid fighter. I would hardly call his 2 fights lucky against Silva. The first fight he got'em with a clean hook, and the second he had a perfect leg kick check, but that one I could say was luck.

Gastelum vs Cerrone - Cowboy all the way. Good stand up and ground game. Gastelum is solid but I don't know him too well, only saw a couple fights.

Edgar vs Stevens - Edgar for a decision. He will grind one out like he always does.

Khabib vs Johnson - Khabib will wrestle fuck Johnson into oblivion.

Miller vs Alves - I feel like Miller will sub Alves. Either way, will be a great one to watch. I hope to see some delicious Alves leg kicks.

 

[omega 616]

Mmmmk, I'll put my picks as well.

Alvarez vs Conor - I will pick Conor. I think Eddie will try and bang with him and get caught. That said, it wouldn't surprise me to see him lay on him for the decision like he did against Pettis.

Woodley vs Thompson - This will be a great fight. I got Woodley. I just have a feeling he will catch him with a monster right and end wonderboys night.

Women's I don't follow too much, but I will check out both Tate's and Jedrefornoerno's fights. I got Tate and the champ.

Weidman vs Romero - I got Weidman. He is just a crafty, all around solid fighter. I would hardly call his 2 fights lucky against Silva. The first fight he got'em with a clean hook, and the second he had a perfect leg kick check, but that one I could say was luck.

Gastelum vs Cerrone - Cowboy all the way. Good stand up and ground game. Gastelum is solid but I don't know him too well, only saw a couple fights.

Edgar vs Stevens - Edgar for a decision. He will grind one out like he always does.

Khabib vs Johnson - Khabib will wrestle fuck Johnson into oblivion.

Miller vs Alves - I feel like Miller will sub Alves. Either way, will be a great one to watch. I hope to see some delicious Alves leg kicks.

The first Anderson fight was won 'cos Anderson was fucking around like he always did and got caught with a hook. Weidman won fair and square, no argument BUT to me, it doesn't make him a better fighter than Anderson 'cos Anderson wasn't being his best self. It's like if I sucker punched Anderson and knocked him out, am I better fighter? No. It is all Anderson's fault for clowning and Weidman did win but he won against a clown and not a fighter.

Second fight, Anderson was playing for real, wanted that belt back but a crazy rare occurrence happened and he broke his leg ... how many times has that leg break happened out of how many MMA fights ever? 10 times out 10,000 fights? So again, doesn't prove Weidman is a better fighter than Anderson.

It's like when RDA pulled out of the Conor fight, is Conor a better fighter than RDA 'cos RDA broke his foot? Only difference is it happened outside the cage?

That's the way I look at it anyway haha

 

[Glongpre]

The first Anderson fight was won 'cos Anderson was fucking around like he always did and got caught with a hook. Weidman won fair and square, no argument BUT to me, it doesn't make him a better fighter than Anderson 'cos Anderson wasn't being his best self. It's like if I sucker punched Anderson and knocked him out, am I better fighter? No. It is all Anderson's fault for clowning and Weidman did win but he won against a clown and not a fighter.

Second fight, Anderson was playing for real, wanted that belt back but a crazy rare occurrence happened and he broke his leg ... how many times has that leg break happened out of how many MMA fights ever? 10 times out 10,000 fights? So again, doesn't prove Weidman is a better fighter than Anderson.

But Anderson always fights like that. He tries to get you to commit to a strike, and then counters you. It just didn't work out for him that fight. Plus, Silva was past his prime, so a prime Silva would probably have won. Based on his legacy, Weidman has a lot of work to do to be a better fighter than Silva.

Second fight was a freak occurrence for sure, it happens a lot more in Muay Thai/Kickboxing bouts due to them being better at actually checking kicks. Was a beauty check though, right below the knee cap, so Silva's thin area of the tibia was hitting Weidman's thicker part. That hurts.