UK Government to block porn

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Treblaine

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Casimir_Effect said:
Just finished reading about this in The Sunday Times, and after considering it for a while, I'm actually for this. So long as the "turning on" process is as simple and anonymous for the adult as possible, then it's good.
That list is a blackmailer's dream. Anyone who applies to REMOVE this filter could be branded a pervert with the right spin.

And it WILL be leaked, I mean Diplomatic cables between US and UK have been leaked, that is one of THE MOST PROTECTED private information and it's all out there in the open. You think this list is safe? Dream on, the only way to keep it secret is to NOT HAVE IT!

Bullshit. If people want in then they will have to POSITIVELY opt in for this filtering and then ONLY if people actually think the Government censor is worth a damn at concealing boobies from curious 12 year old boys. I don't know why I am so surprised that the government would be so petty.

There is no substitute for keeping the family PC in a public place and having an un-deletable history. Then parents can KNOW when they have accessed porn and the best thing they can do is challenge the child over it and explain to them they are too young. You cannot shelter children their entire childhood, what happens when they get their own internet access later in life then they will not have learned any restraint!

What about considering that the overwhelming majority of ISP users don't have any children around who could use them? Remember it's only really boys between about 11 and 15 where this is a problem. Does the government REALLY need to resort to draconian censorship to stop a 16 year old seeing naked ladies on the internet if they can actually have full on sex at that age?!?!

Going by recent Census it seems there is only 1 million who qualify to be "at risk" and considering most families have children relatively close together most of that male age-range are living in the same household. +22 million households in the UK.

So this broad "opt out" law is to target less than 4% of relevant households.

The idea that this should be "opt out" is patently ridiculous.

+96% of households this will not serve any purpose and be nothing but an impediment and an embarrassing liability is requesting to "opt out" being branded on a "porn list".

I have zero fucking faith in the government, they will as per usual be ineffective in not blocking relevant sites (false sense of security) and going too far in blocking sites undeservedly. It will go beyond porn, the government will play granny to the nation saying "oooh, I wouldn't let MY child go on that site". They WILL treat the population as if they are naughty little boys.

ALL of this hinges on whether opt-in or opt-out.

Opt in makes this an interesting service for the UK govt to supply, though in which case why does the government even have to be there? Surely the ISPs can judge what is pornography. When the Australian government did this it ended up with 95% of blocked sites being of political rather than pornographic basis.

Frankly I find this "opt out" idea as bad as every driving licence being an "opt out" for organ donation. That was a horrible idea, the idea that people actually have to fill out paperwork to claim THEIR OWN ORGANS when they die.

"Opt out" laws should be made illegal/unconstitutional as they are so blatantly exploitative.
 

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Amphoteric said:
Not buying it if ist not on the BBC website.
Front fucking page of the Sunday Times.

This hit BIG. I think Australia got it first simply because they got UP first (think of how the world rotates).
 

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Oh, yeah, not like parents could do this on their own. By checking their kid's browser history, or blocking porn sites with that "parental control" option on every fucking computer.

Why do people rely on the government now for shit they can do in three minutes?
This is the man to be listened to. Exact words
 

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As I said before and I'll say again "are the governments on some kind of censorship binge?"
 

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Lem0nade Inlay said:
A Raging Emo said:
Lem0nade Inlay said:
Oh man, poor UK. This isn't going to solve early sexualisation. If anything it will probably increase bootleg porn sales, but this time a big buyer will be underage kids.
(Probably Ninja'd here, but...)

There's no change there, then!
Haha, okay. Then a bigger portion of the buyers will be underage kids. Even though I don't know anyone at the moment who buys porn, lol.
Yeah, who buys porn anymore?!
 

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so, you're saying pornography has the moral high ground against other forms of media?

Scary thing is, I kind of agree with you.


I guess I'm just saying it's nice to have one form of entertainment that neither Cowell nor Disney are running :)
Not at all. What I'm trying to say is it's not the media that's the problem, it's how it's used by businesses excessively to sell products and turn people into consumers.

:D.
Yeah, I was being flippant in my first line :)

You pretty much said what I meant however, even if my first post didn't sound much in that direction, I think I meandered away mid flow.
 

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SenseOfTumour said:
Yeah, I was being flippant in my first line :)

You pretty much said what I meant however, even if my first post didn't sound much in that direction, I think I meandered away mid flow.
It's all cool, I stray away from what I was saying all of the time :D.

I knew you agreed with me, but I was just trying to clarify what I was saying.
 

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The Stonker said:
Double A said:
Oh, yeah, not like parents could do this on their own. By checking their kid's browser history, or blocking porn sites with that "parental control" option on every fucking computer.

Why do people rely on the government now for shit they can do in three minutes?
When I was about 13 then my parents tried to do that.
It's easy to bypass it, so I did.
Yes, but you see, unlike your parents, our generation knows how to get by, and will use this knowledge for great justice. Also known as my son won't get porn till he's older. Not that I'm against it, but once I started, my productivity on weekends went to hell for the first year.
 

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Not sure how it will work exactly but if it's like I think it is then this better not go through, as a 21 year old still living at home I'm hardly gonna be like "Hey Mum, mind opting into that there porn thing so I can have toss" and even when I do get my own place I don't really wanna give a personal letter/phone call/w.e with a list if my favorite wankstops... Granted the government probably know already but still...

Student fee's raising, blocking porn, tax on alcohol up... They really are trying to kill off the younger generation aren't they.
 

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captaincabbage said:
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Sounds like the whole world is doing an Australia. Now I really am ashamed to live here.
An 'Australia'? what do you mean?
Yeah as people already quoted and explained I'm referring to our government's drive to censor the internet with Stephen "Minister for Fucking up the Internet" Conroy. It's true that there'd be no way they could pass legislation for it now, but Conroy is still pushing for it. What a nob.
 

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Adzma said:
captaincabbage said:
Adzma said:
Sounds like the whole world is doing an Australia. Now I really am ashamed to live here.
An 'Australia'? what do you mean?
Yeah as people already quoted and explained I'm referring to our government's drive to censor the internet with Stephen "Minister for Fucking up the Internet" Conroy. It's true that there'd be no way they could pass legislation for it now, but Conroy is still pushing for it. What a nob.
Ah, fair deuce. I forgot all about Conroy, what a fucktard
 

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Double A said:
The Stonker said:
Double A said:
Oh, yeah, not like parents could do this on their own. By checking their kid's browser history, or blocking porn sites with that "parental control" option on every fucking computer.

Why do people rely on the government now for shit they can do in three minutes?
When I was about 13 then my parents tried to do that.
It's easy to bypass it, so I did.
Yes, but you see, unlike your parents, our generation knows how to get by, and will use this knowledge for great justice. Also known as my son won't get porn till he's older. Not that I'm against it, but once I started, my productivity on weekends went to hell for the first year.
But sorry if I ask, what's wrong with porn?
It only shows that your son has a healthy appetite for sex and that his puberty is probably kicking in.
Btw.Just tell him that porn is not reality. Teach him about it, rather then covering your eyes and ears and ignoring it.
Because he'll get to porn anyway, that's what friends are for.
 

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Treblaine said:
Amphoteric said:
Not buying it if ist not on the BBC website.
Front fucking page of the Sunday Times.

This hit BIG. I think Australia got it first simply because they got UP first (think of how the world rotates).
If its not on the BBC website I'm not going to think that this has a chance of happening.
 

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Oh well, if it happens, it happens. First thing I would do is get on the phone to the ISP and say "connect me to porn, I require porn, all the porn you have, stat."

Not because I am in to porn, I really not bothered (36 year old female, I guarantee that I can think of better ideas than any porn I have ever seen) but I would want it hooked up JUST because they want to take it from me.
 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12041063

Don't know if that's been posted already.

I say we get people from the communications industry to take up the communication minister's job, since they have a fucking clue as to what they're talking about.

These ministers have no idea how hard this stuff is to deal with, and never seem to consider the problems of how you define something as porn, what happens when a normal site has a bit of saucy advert on it, etc.

It's unbelievable.

"This is a very serious matter," said Mr Vaizey. "I think it's very important that it's the ISPs that come up with solutions to protect children."

PARENTAL CONTROLS, DICK HEAD. People shouldn't have to opt-in for stuff that has nothing to do with them in the first place; if it's a worry then you take it upon yourself to opt-out.

And how does porn damage people anyway? If you're 12 or below you're not interested, or you'll find it hilarious, and if you're anything above that you'll start doing stuff anyway.

If they try to look at porn that's because they're interested and ready, not because they've been over-sexualised.

tehbeard said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12041063
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11822874

We're boned.

Why waste millions on a system that the Comp. Sci. Undergrads will circumvent in 5 MINUTES, when you could spend it on, oh, I don't know, EDUCATION!
Education? Nah, they ministers all had theirs for free so it doesn't matter now.
 

Anadinolin

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im not entirely clued up about the subject, but i was under the understanding that free speech included unrestricted internet browsing? - including porn...

as so many people rightly say - they can restrict it for children through the parents, isn't that what parents are for? i was also under the impression since porn has been so freely available there is less rape and abuse among the general populace??

either way i know i would not cope without porn...call me a pervert if you will, but a weekend of rampant sex with my Gf is not enough for me :$