UK Home Secretary - New web monitoring laws will stop killers like Ian Huntley

[ph0b0s123]

In a strategy that should now be very familiar to anyone who watched the Canadian government trying to intact similar laws [http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/16/canadian_internet_privacy/] the UK Home Secretary, after a backlash to new communications monitoring proposals, played the 'paedo card'.

Writing in the SUN newspaper, she said "Data like this has already helped lock away murderer Ian Huntley." For those unaware, the killer of two school girls in Soham Cambridgeshire some years ago.

Now the content of the proposals are not yet know, as no bill has been introduced and most of the media are guessing at the moment. We can now see the level the debate will take though. Anyone against this law are helping murders like Huntley.

The obvious question is if the existing laws were already successful in locking him up, why do we need new ones? Who are the people who got away because we did not have this new law before now?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4235448/Theresa-May-says-web-spies-will-trap-killers-like-Ian-Huntley.html

Captcha: Barking mad. Better believe it.....

Edit: For anyone who's interested.

Petition here: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/32400

Edit: missed this gem quote: Mrs May insists: ?I?m not willing to risk more terrorist plots succeeding and more paedophiles going free.? Which successful terrorist plots (we've only had one) and which child abusers a going free?

 

[Rawne1980]

I'm waiting for the day when the pass the law to have some git follow you around recording everything you do.

It's not that far off how it is now.

Can't step out of my house without 6 CCTV cameras watching me.

 

[Private Custard]

Well that's it then. They used the 'think of the children' argument........we're all fucked!

 

[Rawne1980]

I'm waiting for the day when the pass the law to have some git follow you around recording everything you do.

It's not that far off how it is now.

Can't step out of my house without 6 CCTV cameras watching me.

just out of interest assuming your not doing anything legal and you cant be seen while on your own property why are you bothered by being on CCTV? because i personally dont mind

Because there are those days, when friends visit and you have one too many sniffs of shandy, that I end up stark bollock nekkid and running around the streets.

Now, thanks to CCTV, I can no longer deny that it is my shiny milk bottle coloured arse running past the camera.

 

[Stu35]

Well that's it then. They used the 'think of the children' argument........we're all fucked!

QFT.

Seriously though, I don't have a problem with these laws in their current form - I generally don't use the internet for illegal activities, and have no real issues with the government knowing about how fucked up the porn I watch is.(Really, Really fucked up).

Of note - it's not illegal (as an example) to look up how to build a bomb, simply having that knowlege is not, in itself, against the law... But I'd feel a lot better if I knew that the people who DO look that stuff up (including myself) get checked out by... I dunno, the Gestapo? (what do we have in the UK?... I'll google that ************ right after this)... That way, I can look the knowledge up knowing I'll be ok, whilst Mohammed Al-Shabab Hussein-Quaida down the road will get a knock on his door asking why he's been googling that, and also buying up the entire town supply of ammonium nitrate.

Same with the CCTV bollocks... But then again, my area is one where the police are actually not bad guys and they go after actual crooks, instead of people who litter and occasionally run naked through the streets (as I've been known to do on the occasional friday or saturday night)... However I can see how jobsworth dickhead coppers can ruin that for everyone if they so please.


Back on the Internet legislation - This could be a first step down the road to big brotherhood, I say we build our barricades on the 2nd step, rather than piecemeal trying to deal with this bollocks which the government managed to sneak in relatively quickly.


Finally: Googled that stuff from earlier: Turns out the CID are our Gestapo [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Investigation_Department], without quite as much evil though.

 

[DJjaffacake]

Finally: Googled that stuff from earlier: Turns out the CID are our Gestapo [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Investigation_Department], without quite as much evil though.

Lies! It's Special Branch, because their name is cooler!

Seriously though, this law is irrelevant because it's going to get taken straight to the European Court of Human Rights and absolutely owned.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

I say we build our barricades on the 2nd step, rather than piecemeal trying to deal with this bollocks which the government managed to sneak in relatively quickly

Uh....If you let them take the first step, they will think they can take the second. This kind of thing needs to be fought at EVERY step to make sure it doesn't start.

I'm not willing to risk a slippery slope happening over this. :s

 

[ShindoL Shill]

They won't spy on normal people, just the murderers, terrorists and peados?
How do they know who to spy on without spying on us?

 

[Woodsey]

Petition here: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/32400

Its grown 3000 signatures since I signed it this morning. Its a bad fucking joke; the world would be safer if we were all locked in 5 x 5 sheds and weren't allowed out, that doesn't mean we should do it.

I can see this going the way of America's Patriot Act - claim its for terrorism, then use it for other stuff as well (I think its used in drugs cases most of the time).

It was kicked out before, it should be kicked out again.

And I wish the Conservatives would stop using "think of the children!" for EVERY fucking bill they propose.

 

[Raddra]

^ Thank you, I signed it.

 

[deakin_j]

Petition here: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/32400

Its grown 3000 signatures since I signed it this morning. Its a bad fucking joke; the world would be safer if we were all locked in 5 x 5 sheds and weren't allowed out, that doesn't mean we should do it.

I can see this going the way of America's Patriot Act - claim its for terrorism, then use it for other stuff as well (I think its used in drugs cases most of the time).

It was kicked out before, it should be kicked out again.

And I wish the Conservatives would stop using "think of the children!" for EVERY fucking bill they propose.

I love the way that, in order to sign the petition opposing being monitored further, you need to provide to the Govt. a valid email address, and your actual address. all the better to allow tracking as a potential troublemaker, i suppose..

 

[Woodsey]

Petition here: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/32400

Its grown 3000 signatures since I signed it this morning. Its a bad fucking joke; the world would be safer if we were all locked in 5 x 5 sheds and weren't allowed out, that doesn't mean we should do it.

I can see this going the way of America's Patriot Act - claim its for terrorism, then use it for other stuff as well (I think its used in drugs cases most of the time).

It was kicked out before, it should be kicked out again.

And I wish the Conservatives would stop using "think of the children!" for EVERY fucking bill they propose.

I love the way that, in order to sign the petition opposing being monitored further, you need to provide to the Govt. a valid email address, and your actual address. all the better to allow tracking as a potential troublemaker, i suppose..

... So, I'll be out of the country for a while. If anyone wants to contact me th

 

[Da Orky Man]

Petition here: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/32400

Its grown 3000 signatures since I signed it this morning. Its a bad fucking joke; the world would be safer if we were all locked in 5 x 5 sheds and weren't allowed out, that doesn't mean we should do it.

I can see this going the way of America's Patriot Act - claim its for terrorism, then use it for other stuff as well (I think its used in drugs cases most of the time).

It was kicked out before, it should be kicked out again.

And I wish the Conservatives would stop using "think of the children!" for EVERY fucking bill they propose.

I love the way that, in order to sign the petition opposing being monitored further, you need to provide to the Govt. a valid email address, and your actual address. all the better to allow tracking as a potential troublemaker, i suppose..

So you use a fake address and a spam email account. Bam.

I don't see how the Conservatives are going to get in after this. Frankly, i can't see how anyone is getting in after this. Time to learn Swedish, I think.

 

[makano]

I'm waiting for the day when the pass the law to have some git follow you around recording everything you do.

It's not that far off how it is now.

Can't step out of my house without 6 CCTV cameras watching me.

see this is the part of the anti-cctv thing i don't get.

You know who's watching you, nobody, the most the average person will be seen on a cctv is glimpses, unless your doing something massively noticeable your not important.

To think that anyone has the ego that they are more interesting than not only all the information that camera gets, but usually six or more others, that is just staggeringly big headed.

Heres the big secret, they don't care about you.

To me its not about them looking at what i am doing its who is going to hold the power to decide what you are doing is a crime like for example.


"John here likes looking at satanic sites. That offends me as a pure christian so i will have him arrested and the content he is looking at banned."

Its not the law i don't trust its the people who are watching.

Or another example:

Say for instance they have to read prince Harry's Facebook because you know the law apply to royals to you know and they guy sees a private message to one of his mates saying he knocked up a commoner what if the guy "leeks" that info to the press for a bit of gold in his pocket.

 

[ph0b0s123]

They won't spy on normal people, just the murderers, terrorists and peados?
How do they know who to spy on without spying on us?

"Theresa May argued that the new powers were required to "help police stay one step ahead of the criminals" and vowed ?ordinary people? would not be targeted.

Mrs May said: ?Looking at who a suspect talks to can lead police to other criminals. Whole paedophile rings, criminal conspiracies and terrorist plots can then be smashed.""

So you had better hope no one criminal communicates in anyway with you as you are not classed as 'ordinary' and above surveillance any more by her logic. People should add their priests to email block lists for starters.....

 

[viranimus]

Can't step out of my house without 6 CCTV cameras watching me.

I dunno, as many cameras I have been hearing about in the UK, makes you wish you had a long range rifle so they can be taken out with ease without leaving a direct trace. Enough of em go down they stop putting them back up.