UK 'Piracy' student to be extradited to US

[superdevildude85]

I'm with Yahtzee on this one, all the countries besides america need to gang up on them like all the bullied kids beating the hell out of the bully on the schoolyard.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Even as big as it is, the more entities, countries, and blocs that pull away means that the US will cause/encounter more trouble as a result. The old saying of a lion pulled down by jackals is apt here--yes, the jackals in this analogy are not likely to cooperate, but the possibility of such a thing is something that no one can ignore, let alone the United States. After all, they recently expelled the Venezuelan diplomat for apparently taking part in collaborative talks with Iranian and Cuban diplomats where the possibility of cyber-attacks was put forward. (re: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16461697 ) This highlights my main concern; the US is indeed a world power, but the more people it upsets, the more of them start to think that joining hands to cause harm is worth whatever risks that incurs.

That's true, but historically it seem that nations are fairly slow and reluctant to band together and oppose the hegemon, so long as it remainds quick to make examples of others.

 

[Joccaren]

Fuck this, the American government has just broken one of MY laws: Don't be an idiot, and failing that, keep your idiocy to yourself. They've had a ton of warnings on this before, I feel it is time they are all extradited to my house and imprisoned in my basement for life.

They are seriously stupid, and were this happening in my country, this is one thing I damn well would drive up to Canberra for and start a riot. The US does not have the right to police the world. We are Earth, not the United Planet of American Citizens. Its even worse that the UK is allowing this to happen. Personally I hope that one of the next generations is smarter than this one, or my own, and will kick the government in its figurative balls and demand it listen to them rather than companies. Sadly, I doubt that will happen.

US government, go to hell. UK government, grow some balls and stand up to the US. All other governments, learn from these two's mistakes and don't let the US extradite your citizens for no real reason.

 

[Weealzabob]

That is such bollocks. If the film studios and television companies who own the rights to the properties decide they want to cut off their nose to spite their face in the form of a lawsuit against this guy then that's their right to do so. If the British legal system decide that they need to sentence him with something, while laughably wasteful and pointless compared to the other stuff they let slide, fair enough.
But the US government, who let alot of people who seriously fucked up the world off scott free, are planning on extraditing a British citizen, putting him on trial for copyright infringement with the aim of sending him to jail for as long as five years for posting links to videos on the internet.
That is a fucking joke.

While in general I'm opposed to piracy, this really pisses me off. Our governments and law enforcement have better things to do than track down every person who has posted a film online. The US seriously needs to sort it's life out, and not interfere with petty international squabbles. I hope David Cameron grows some balls and says no. And I seriously hope this kid doesn't get anything more than a fine.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Hey, this is part of what the Occupy guys were about, yet most people decided to shit all over that.

I'm with Yahtzee on this one, all the countries besides america need to gang up on them like all the bullied kids beating the hell out of the bully on the schoolyard.

So, every country needs to start a war with the US?

Seriously, it's a fine and dandy thing to complain about, and I agree we don't need military bases in Countries like England and Japan, but honestly?

Last time I checked, British forces were right there with the US in Afghanistan.

Edit: I'm actually a little confused at what exactly people are pissed about here. Mad that he's being convicted of Piracy? Sure, I get that.

But mad because he's being extradited? You guys realize that we need the British go ahead to do that, right? Which they got. You people are jumping the gun a little quick here.

 

[Saika Renegade]

That's true, but historically it seem that nations are fairly slow and reluctant to band together and oppose the hegemon, so long as it remainds quick to make examples of others.

I'd contend that the main issue is that historically, the difficulties in communication, particularly speed and/or clarity issues (i.e., a language barrier) made it quite difficult for any number of groups to cooperate to oppose those who they felt wronged them. In previous days, face to face meetings were required, or slow, inelegant methods of communication that were liable to misinterpretation or interception. Now, with the advent of rapid global communication, those barriers have been severely diminished, and coordination and consensus is quickly becoming easier as opposed to harder.

I offer up the recent history of Arab Spring to suggest that, at least operating in a smaller scale, the theory is sound. Any individual citizen is obviously no particular threat to a government, but a sufficient number may topple a power that is seen as certain and absolute. So many common people could not cooperated so quickly in the past, and likewise, less well armed countries may choose to take lessons from Arab Spring and form coalitions as a result, what with the power in numbers. Libya would be my example of choice, where in spite of positively ridiculous military expense on the part of the Libyan government and numerous setbacks for rebel groups, the Gadafi government was still brought down. With international assistance, yes, but again, consider how many nations cooperated with the airstrikes and interdiction.

If enough people feel that a government is out of line (Iran most recently, for example), coordinated punitive action can be a sting to any nation of any size, and if enough nations feel offended, that same punitive action can mean far more than simply tariffs on US exports - again, please refer to the article I linked regarding the diplomats' discussion in Mexico.

 

[ScaryAlmond]

Considering that UK is now extraditing people for ridiculously stupid reasons does that mean they will extradite anyone.
Say a cartoonist drew Mohammed does that mean UK give him to Saudia Arabia and just say here you go kill him if you want I don't care.
Or will they extradite the three year old who took a piece of candy on holiday.

Anyone with knowledge knows that this is basically going to happen alot more with Sopa.
Shutdown the website jail the kids running it everybody wins (sarcastic)

 

[LordFisheh]

So, in short, the US and UK governments shatter the spirit of a treaty in order to make an example of a pirate. They want to create fear, and make it clear to people that if they can't be dealt with above board then they'll get loopholed into a foreign prison while not even being charged by their own nation.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Honestly, times are changing, while it is true that this sort of activity is legal in the UK, it is not written explicitly in the law that it's legal.

Er...almost nothing else is. The law says what you can't do, not what you can.

Initial point anyway, I believe it's acceptable to make such exceptions when our laws have been very sketchy and improperly structured since the beginning, this is what's happening, we're building a structure for it all finally.

I'd have to disagree with that. Change the laws and get people who keep doing it, or who start doing it later, fine.

But punishing people by making their actions illegal retroactively...that doesn't sit well with me. The whole point of a codified set of laws is that everyone knows what they can be punished for and what's allowed to do.

I'd contend that the main issue is that historically, the difficulties in communication, particularly speed and/or clarity issues (i.e., a language barrier) made it quite difficult for any number of groups to cooperate to oppose those who they felt wronged them. In previous days, face to face meetings were required, or slow, inelegant methods of communication that were liable to misinterpretation or interception. Now, with the advent of rapid global communication, those barriers have been severely diminished, and coordination and consensus is quickly becoming easier as opposed to harder.

I'd certainly like to hope so, that nations will be able to better co-operate in the future, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Sevre]

Simply done to add more precedent to Julian Assange, when your government can use your judiciary to further political ends I fear for you.

 

[Versuvius]

What he did isn't illegal in the UK. Full stop. That is why this is rotten because the government is allowing the US to enforce it's laws in the UK. Where they have no juridstriction. Bastards. Blair and his retarded treaty signing

 

[Saika Renegade]

I'd certainly like to hope so, that nations will be able to better co-operate in the future, but I'm not holding my breath.

Depending on your standards for such, you probably don't have to; again, as with the whole issues with Iran and Libya, parties who could be nominally considered allies but who usually seem to be spending a lot of time arguing and sniping at each other are actually putting aside any mutual distaste and working together - granted, for the purpose of putting pressure on other nations, but it's still cooperation all the same.

As much as government is to blame here, though, I would set my sights squarely on the media conglomerates for pushing such a travesty into law in the first place. If there was ever a lion that deserved to be pulled apart by jackals, there it is.

 

[Kair]

Now that the authoritarian enemies are gone, the western world is free to use authoritarianism because there is no longer a big bad wolf to compare them to.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

If SOPA gets passed, multiply this case with 1,000,000.

This is some serious bullshit. People should protest in t he street be cause of shit like this. People seem to have less and less rights with each passing day and no one does anything about it.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I hope this cases gets thrown out of court on to a fire while being laughed at and then the ashes of the cases are used by dogs for defecation.

 

[Ickorus]

Unless it's a new law the guy isn't doing anything wrong, last I checked it wasn't illegal to link to pirated content, just to host it.

More on-topic: America is friendly to large corporations and it's undoubtable them that are pulling the strings on this puppet; they have no business here

 

[direkiller]

Richard O'Dwyer, 23, set up the TVShack website which US authorities say hosts links to pirated copyrighted films and television programmes.

How is this even illegal. It would be like suing a phone company for having a phone directory with criminals numbers listed.

its more like having the numbers and handing them out to people to find crack
like most things it falls into gray areas

It still dosen't matter he should be subject to Brittish Laws not American Laws. International copyright laws are fine but they should be held in British courts

 

[Versuvius]

Incidentally if this kid gets sent to jail doesn't that mean Google should be shot down? After all, it points to and hosts user uploaded links to piracy. If i google demonoid.me, lo and behold, it is there containing all of the juicy free material i could ever want. Or...does google have lots of money so it is exempt from things like laws, laws that shouldn't even apply outside of the US.

 

[Astoria]

How is what he did illegal exactly? And even if it was why the hell does he needed to be taken to the US to be trialed? Is America just completely incapable of keeping it's nose out of other countries business or something? I really really hope he's found innocent and can go about his life because this is stupid.