UK: Shouting considered to be domestic violence

[MetaKnight19]

What will Brian Blessed do?

He would shout the law into oblivion.

 

[Reaver3]

I have little respect for the UK legal system ever since they considered taking the holocaust out of schools since it offended some Muslim group and this is censorship, I think couples have the right to yell at each other when they are mad, it's a natural thing to yell...

That's just my opinion

 

[logiman]

Firstly i thought is said "UK: Shooting considered to be domestic violence"
I was like "No shit, you brits really are smart"
Then i looked again

OT: wow, my mom would get life in prison if these was the law in my country

 

[Thaluikhain]

Feminists can be as blind as they want about female power and whatnot, but when your average guy gets angry and shouts at your average woman she will be intimidated, just because of the physical difference.

Believe it or not, most feminists do recognise the existence of domestic violence. funny that.

However.. is threatening to leave your man because he plays too much video games (I have a buddy...) domestic violence? That, too, dominates and subdues the man. Or putting on the chastity lock if he doesn't buy you some nice jewelry.

Um...dunno where you live, but in much of the developed world, women aren't the property of men and don't have to stay in relationships if they don't want to. Likewise, they are not obliged to have sex if they don't want to.

You can't compare intimidating your partner with choosing not to have sex with them.

 

[BonsaiK]

Domestic violence doesn't have to be physical. That's widely known. Often it takes psychological forms, and I'm glad to see the UK falling into line with the rest of the world over this issue.

I'm also quite sure that the law is context-dependent and not ALL shouting is domestic violence.

My speculation is that the original article was about "Verbal Abuse" not "Shouting".

I tend to agree.

And for clarity, "rest of the western world".

 

[hawkeye52]

assault in british law can be just shouting as long as it puts fear into the victim that they will genuinely be hurt by the aggressor. So why shouldnt shouting come under this for domestic violence

 

[nightfish]

Shouting is just as bad.

 

[Lilani]

I believe it's more "Verbal abuse" as opposed to "Shouting".

I agree with this. My parents will have been married 30 years by this June, and I've heard them shout at each other (and me) plenty of times. It's just being human.

I can understand a verbal abuse law, I believe something like that is already in place here in the US, but to designate "shouting" regardless of context to be the same as smacking each other with poles is a bit of a stretch. It makes me feel like 50 years from now giving your pal a slug-bug will be considered battery, and making a funny face in someone's general direction just before you sneeze will be harassment.

assault in british law can be just shouting as long as it puts fear into the victim that they will genuinely be hurt by the aggressor. So why shouldnt shouting come under this for domestic violence

See, that makes sense because it has a specific context. Not to mention that makes it have to be akin to a threat to make it a problem. The OP made it seem as though shouting in any situation could get you in trouble.

It'd be great if they posted the actual wording of the law so we weren't arguing so blindly -.-

 

[CactiComplex]

I really, really hope this new law has stipulations, otherwise it could cause some real problems. Whether we like it or not, shouting can be as much a part of a person's life as just talking, it doesn't mean it's abusive just because it's said in a raised voice. Then again, if in some households shouting has become a form of abuse then hopefully this law will help the victims.

It'd be tricky for police to enforce a law like this, I think, and hard for anyone to uncover the truth when things are based on witness accounts alone. That said, hopefully this will be another step towards stopping domestic violence if good judgement is used.

 

[Udyrfrykte]

Feminists can be as blind as they want about female power and whatnot, but when your average guy gets angry and shouts at your average woman she will be intimidated, just because of the physical difference.

Believe it or not, most feminists do recognise the existence of domestic violence. funny that.

However.. is threatening to leave your man because he plays too much video games (I have a buddy...) domestic violence? That, too, dominates and subdues the man. Or putting on the chastity lock if he doesn't buy you some nice jewelry.

Um...dunno where you live, but in much of the developed world, women aren't the property of men and don't have to stay in relationships if they don't want to. Likewise, they are not obliged to have sex if they don't want to.

You can't compare intimidating your partner with choosing not to have sex with them.

It's not "choosing to not have sex", it's using it to your own gains, manipulating your partner.
No one is forcing the woman do accept domestic violence (shouting), and just straight out leave him. As they all say, it's not just "doing it", since things are complicated.

If your woman is denying you sex if you aren't her little *****, just leaving her isn't so easy.

I agree though that it is not the best comparison.
I'm just angry because women are starting to get the best deals in life. In Norway some colleges and universities give girls free PCs and other 'goods' just because they want more girls attending, say, machinery engineering. There is no case of men getting free stuff for becoming nurses, forest guardians (don't know what to call them, so that sounded cool. A bachelor study that has like 90% girls here) or hairdressers.

I'm pissed.

 

[Squeaky]

Feminists can be as blind as they want about female power and whatnot, but when your average guy gets angry and shouts at your average woman she will be intimidated, just because of the physical difference.

Believe it or not, most feminists do recognise the existence of domestic violence. funny that.

However.. is threatening to leave your man because he plays too much video games (I have a buddy...) domestic violence? That, too, dominates and subdues the man. Or putting on the chastity lock if he doesn't buy you some nice jewelry.

Um...dunno where you live, but in much of the developed world, women aren't the property of men and don't have to stay in relationships if they don't want to. Likewise, they are not obliged to have sex if they don't want to.

You can't compare intimidating your partner with choosing not to have sex with them.

To be honest you can compare the two, some women generally use sex as ameans to control thier 'man' iam not saying all women or that women cant refuse an advance. But some people men and wemon are kept in the relaionship though fear as they dont know what thier 'partner' will do if they run.

 

[OceanRunner]

I believe it's more "Verbal abuse" as opposed to "Shouting".

That's what I think as well. Just raising your voice iteself isn't an issue if it's not upsetting somebody.

 

[Colour Scientist]

I believe it's more "Verbal abuse" as opposed to "Shouting".

This although verbal abuse is difficult to prove.

As long as shouting at your wife isn't considered as wrong as hitting her, I'd say it's fine.

Shouting can be enough to dominate and subdue someone.Feminists can be as blind as they want about female power and whatnot, but when your average guy gets angry and shouts at your average woman she will be intimidated, just because of the physical difference.
Kinda stupid though.

However.. is threatening to leave your man because he plays too much video games (I have a buddy...) domestic violence? That, too, dominates and subdues the man. Or putting on the chastity lock if he doesn't buy you some nice jewelry.

I'm just so sick that women are on the road to getting all the advantages we men have (fine), but still keeping their ethical and legal advantages (not fine).

edit: I don't view a women and man shouting on equal terms, due to that shouting is an intimidation technique (intimidation linked heavily with physical power).. but yeah

It's not just men who get accused and conviced of domestic abuse, you know. Men are just less likely to go to the authorities about it because they don't see it as the manly thing to do or see it as demasculating to be a victim of your significant other's(female) abuse.

 

[Thaluikhain]

It's not "choosing to not have sex", it's using it to your own gains, manipulating your partner.
No one is forcing the woman do accept domestic violence (shouting), and just straight out leave him. As they all say, it's not just "doing it", since things are complicated.

Wait, so the woman can easily walk away from an abusive man, but a man can't walk away from a woman not providing him with sex?

I'm just angry because women are starting to get the best deals in life.

You mean like massively higher rates of spousal abuse and/or rape, getting lower paid jobs and being under-represented at the important levels of politics and industry?

To be honest you can compare the two, some women generally use sex as ameans to control thier 'man' iam not saying all women or that women cant refuse an advance. But some people men and wemon are kept in the relaionship though fear as they dont know what thier 'partner' will do if they run.

Ok, quick question, which would you prefer, your partner to withhold sex, or your partner to physically abuse you?

 

[Merkavar]

if you get charge under this new law can you get off under the defense, sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me?

 

[Zykon TheLich]

Well, I'd really like to see the specifics of the law in question.

Otherwise my uneducated comment would be something along the lines of 'sounds like another poorly defined law that allows the police to arrest virtually anyone they feel like. I wonder how much of the UK's statistics on violent crime are due to things like affray, assault where no one is actually touched or shouting'.