Under-age Sex in The UK (Looking for open discussion).

[DirtyJunkieScum]

Also, what would your view be on not telling the other that you had/have an STD/STI? Would that make it a form of rape? Is there any cases on that or other?

The UK, as far as I'm aware, has no specific offence for rape by deception.

However, not disclosing that you have HIV (it may extend to other STDs, but I've only heard of it in the context of HIV) means that your partner cannot offer informed consent to any activity which might put them at risk of HIV infection.

I suspect it's one of those areas which hasn't come up yet, and were it ever to do so then whoever was presiding would probably try to use the common law system to reach an equitable result in practice. Long term, that would probably result in the law being changed.

I'm pretty sure it has, I've heard of a couple of cases, only one was definitely in the UK, in which a guy went round having sex with women while infected with HIV in order to purposefully infect them. I can't remember what the charge was though... malicious wounding maybe?

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

This thread will go well.

I would go over the likely milestones that this thread may achieve but come on people, we know the song and dance already.

I am constantly surprised that this keeps coming up. Everybody at this point agrees in equality between genders.

 

[Snowbell]

What does it matter? These rules will only be enforced if one of them goes to the police about it, otherwise who will ever know?

But yes, I would prefer the punishments to be the same for female rapists, who could employ he use of a certain little blue pill to bypass the need for the male to be willing

 

[Gordon Freemonty]

Kids should not be having sex, period. Kids should enjoy the time they have as kids and worry about sex after they turn 18. Then, they are free to explore their sexuality, experiment, have an active sex life, if they choose to, etc. etc.

I know that that's wishful thinking, but a lot of kids try to act like adults minus any responsibility or accountability and what will result from that is adults with no responsibility or accountability for their actions.

Its INCREDIBLY wishful thinking. A horny teenager isn't going to listen to their mum and 'keep it in their pants.' Its actually natural that they would explore their sexuality at that age coz hormones at that age. Instead of trying to stop teens from having sex (They will lie if they have too) how about better education?

@Boudica, did your avatar change or something...? Its... unsettling :O

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

Kids should not be having sex, period. Kids should enjoy the time they have as kids and worry about sex after they turn 18. Then, they are free to explore their sexuality, experiment, have an active sex life, if they choose to, etc. etc.

You sir are a legend. I completely agree. When I was 14 I never wanted to have sex, I wanted to play my Gamecube and Skateboard. Hell 4 years on the area still holds no interest for me.

Sex is an adult area. I'm not so naive as to expect that my getting angry over the subject will fix everything but in my personal opinion 18 is when it should be decided, when society looks at you as an adult and not a child. Let kids play with cards or play football or video games.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

Thats one good thing about America. I remember in Wisconsin, two 15 year olds had sex. The girls mother found out and called the police. They arrested both 15 year olds and both declared sexual predators. Way da go Mom!

 

[Agent Larkin]

You think Northern Ireland is fucked up?

Look at the Republic.

Off the top of my head is the "If you fail to go through with it the Boy gets arrested" one.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Though this is assuming that, if I've understood you correctly, these laws only apply to a male having sex with a younger female and don't exist for a female having sex with a younger male.

That is correct (practically). Though, it seems like a rather sexist judgement, or am I wrong? (Quote?)

I don't know, for some reason I don't want to call it "sexist". I think these laws were created based on the belief that there are more occurrences of males taking advantage of females, which isn't really sexist if it's true. I do think it's wrong though since I believe the punishment should be based on the crime itself rather than the overall frequency of the crime.

I don't really like that argument tbh. It'll be like saying "black people should have worse punishments for crime because black people steal more!" (I don't believe that they do, it's just an example). It doesn't matter if a certain group does bad things more, all that should matter is that a person did a bad thing and should be punished equally. If a person over the age of 16 has sex with a person under that age then they should have the equal punishment no matter if they are a man or woman.

 

[GoaThief]

UPDATE: At least 47,000 adult women are raped every year in the UK.

That sounds absurdly high, source please?

That's well over 100 rapes a day.

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

This thread will go well.

I would go over the likely milestones that this thread may achieve but come on people, we know the song and dance already.

OT: I concur that the rules should be the same across all genders and sexualities. Exactly why they are different for homosexuals at all is beyond me.

The age for homosexual sex and heterosexual sex is the same.

Not in the UK... it is 16 for heterosexual couples and 18 for homosexual couples...

I am also confused why NI is different to the rest of the UK! :S

 

[Terminal Blue]

I'm pretty sure it has, I've heard of a couple of cases, only one was definitely in the UK, in which a guy went round having sex with women while infected with HIV in order to purposefully infect them. I can't remember what the charge was though... malicious wounding maybe?

Well, in that case I'm pretty sure it would be rape, not a special charge like some countries which have "rape by deception" as a crime, but it would be considered to be rape. The women in question didn't have the ability to make an informed choice to consent.

It's also come up in the context of MSM quite a few times.

What I mean is that because the definition of rape requires penetration, it's hard to see what would happen if a woman lied about her HIV status to a male (or female) partner, and that's when I guess the law would have to be changed and/or a common law solution found.

 

[DirtyJunkieScum]

I'm pretty sure it has, I've heard of a couple of cases, only one was definitely in the UK, in which a guy went round having sex with women while infected with HIV in order to purposefully infect them. I can't remember what the charge was though... malicious wounding maybe?

Well, in that case I'm pretty sure it would be rape, not a special charge like some countries which have "rape by deception" as a crime, but it would be considered to be rape. The women in question didn't have the ability to make an informed choice to consent.

It's also come up in the context of MSM quite a few times.

What I mean is that because the definition of rape requires penetration, it's hard to see what would happen if a woman lied about her HIV status to a male (or female) partner, and that's when I guess the law would have to be changed and/or a common law solution found.

SNIP

I think you messed up the rest of the quotes. And no, he definitely wasn't convicted of rape. It was something weird like GBH or ABH etc.

 

[DirtyJunkieScum]

Not in the UK... it is 16 for heterosexual couples and 18 for homosexual couples...

I am also confused why NI is different to the rest of the UK! :S

No, the homosexual age of consent is the same.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/advice/factfile_az/age_of_consent

also, apologies again for double post.

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

Not in the UK... it is 16 for heterosexual couples and 18 for homosexual couples...

I am also confused why NI is different to the rest of the UK! :S

No, the homosexual age of consent is the same.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/advice/factfile_az/age_of_consent

also, apologies again for double post.

Awesome... sense came in and the law was changed... it didn't make sense before!

Also... anyone think it's funny that you can legally have full on sex when 16, but not allowed to see porn until 18!