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Grey Day for Elcia

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novixz said:
I think we should euthanize mentally retarded people from birth.
Yeeeaaah, you obviously don't know what mental retardation is. First starters, mental retardation is defined as a being slowed in your ability to learn; it doesn't mean you cannot learn and live a productive life. Secondly, the majority of mentally retarded people cannot be diagnosed as such until they are much older than a newborn, as it requires one to study the individual's ability to learn and to parse out their I.Q. (legally, to be mentally retarded one must posses an I.Q. below 80, but it varies from place to place).

Maybe knowing the basics of what you are trying to discuss before engaging in said discussion would benefit you.
 

Grey Day for Elcia

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Matthew94 said:
Oh, I forgot how one case should define the rule for all. Kinda like how having a normal baby ruins some people lives, so we now made it illegal to have babies and euthanize any baby that is born- Oh wait, that's stupid.

You are so edgy and cool.
 

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That Quentin Tarantino is totally full of himself and makes mainly crappy flicks. Oh, that and that "300" is practically Nazi propaganda. Get a lotta hate for ever making mention of those two opinions.
 

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Rowan93 said:
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God does not exist, and when I discover someone believes in god my respect of them drops considerably.
Yeah, and my respect just dropped for you considerably (Not that you may value it but still(Because of what I'm about to say)) I was in fact raised as a protestant, yet that doesn't mean I run around yelling "Praise the lord!" I also have still to read the bible, and I don't think that God went *poof* and man was born. I have my own personal theory's (which are in fact based on scientific facts) Sorry for the rant, its just I thought beliefs could be respected.
It's not because people run around saying "praise the lord!" - it's because people believe there was a sapient being involved in the creation of the universe, to whom the laws of physics do not apply.

I don't just disapprove of religious people, I think Deists are silly too. Also, agnostics are really annoying.

No belief deserves any respect, except perhaps the respect it earns. Respect can be earned by being right.
I do kind of see where your coming from. However respect by being right? I feel that could be difficult to do. In my eyes you can easily earn respect for perhaps thinking logically or accepting others and their views, yet not necessarily being right. Also, my guess is you believe in the Big bang theory so, my question is, what created the particles which kick started the universe?
 

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I do not enjoy sports. The fun of chasing balls eludes me to this day.
Organised religion should be destroyed.
Children who are mentally retarded to the point where they are usless should be euthanised at birth.
Euthanasia should be legal.
The population of Earth should be reduced to reasonable levels (less than 500,000)
The Geneva Convention rules should be set aside. Morality means nothing when your foes won't use the same rules.
Discrimination wouldn't exist if everyone made fun of eachother equally about race, gender etc.

I am a somewhat pragmatic person.
 

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Xangba said:
Rowan93 said:
I don't just disapprove of religious people, I think Deists are silly too. Also, agnostics are really annoying.

No belief deserves any respect, except perhaps the respect it earns. Respect can be earned by being right.
I see you fail to mention atheists, the ones who think that they are the only ones with higher cognitive functions. Agnostic at least acknowledges that NO ONE has any proof whatsoever of anything, so we should all shut up about it.
Well, obviously I didn't mention atheists, because the atheists are right. That's my point. Religious people are wrong, deists are wrong, agnostics are in a funny ying-yang state of rightwrong which makes them annoying, and all of that is because atheistm is correct.

The belief in a creator god violates occam's razor, and when you get right down to it, is just patently silly.

Well, actually, being silly is just another way of saying something violates occam's razor, but I think it carries more weight, and gets the point across better for what "violates occam's razor" actually means. The idea of god is silly, and agnostics consider the belief in a creator god to be worth considering, but not worth trying to analyse, or even decide whether they think one exists or not, which makes them in many ways worse than ordinary theists.
 

Grey Day for Elcia

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Ignatz_Zwakh said:
"300" is practically Nazi propaganda.
You know the Nazi Party wanted all races bar pure-blood German to be phased out (or eradicated), right? Not sure what that has to do with ancient, classical period Greece.
 

Rowan93

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MinimanZombie said:
Rowan93 said:
MinimanZombie said:
Rowan93 said:
God does not exist, and when I discover someone believes in god my respect of them drops considerably.
Yeah, and my respect just dropped for you considerably (Not that you may value it but still(Because of what I'm about to say)) I was in fact raised as a protestant, yet that doesn't mean I run around yelling "Praise the lord!" I also have still to read the bible, and I don't think that God went *poof* and man was born. I have my own personal theory's (which are in fact based on scientific facts) Sorry for the rant, its just I thought beliefs could be respected.
It's not because people run around saying "praise the lord!" - it's because people believe there was a sapient being involved in the creation of the universe, to whom the laws of physics do not apply.

I don't just disapprove of religious people, I think Deists are silly too. Also, agnostics are really annoying.

No belief deserves any respect, except perhaps the respect it earns. Respect can be earned by being right.
I do kind of see where your coming from. However respect by being right? I feel that could be difficult to do. In my eyes you can easily earn respect for perhaps thinking logically or accepting others and their views, yet not necessarily being right. Also, my guess is you believe in the Big bang theory so, my question is, what created the particles which kick started the universe?
Do you mean the matter that existed in the universe when the big bang happened? I think that always existed (although, obviously, since the volume of the universe was zero it all existed as energy, matter only appeared a few 10-to-the-minus-somethings of a second after the bang) although I'm not sure if that actually fits with the cosmology of what the big bang is.

But let me address the larger basis of the question: I think it's more likely that it happened by random chance than that a god randomly came into being to create it, and I think it's more likely that the universe was always there and eventually got around to making the big bang happen than that a god always existed who eventually decided to create a universe.

Sticking a god into a theory of the universe doesn't add anything that's good for the theory, it just means the odds against it being right are going to be more, because it's more complicated. I don't know the intricacies of the current understanding of the big bang theory, but that doesn't even matter, because it's not going to make what I previously said about random chance less valid, and what it'll probably do is offer something better than "just happened randomly".
 

Grey Day for Elcia

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Matthew94 said:
No need for you to act so immature. If you can't rebuke my points in a sensible manner then just stop posting.
^implying denying healthcare to the gravelly ill is sensible and mature.

Derp.
 

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I think men should wear their hair short and facial hair should be cropped well and tidy. Long hair is for women. Unkempt facial hair shows a lack of class and self-respect.

I dislike people who complain to their government to solve all of their problems. Fix your own problems. More generally I dislike people who are not mostly self-sufficient.

I do not trust people who don't drink alcohol.

I do not trust people who wear suits all day.

I think that people who believe in gun control are naive.

I believe that violence solves a helluva lot of problems.

I dislike the idea of neutrality. People should always pick a side. "Take sides! Always take sides! You will sometimes be wrong ? but the man who refuses to take sides must always be wrong." - Robert Heinlein
Wait, what?

You don't trust people who don't drink alcohol? I am confused at this, please enlighten me since I personally do not drink at all and have never been drunk.

I also don't see the problem with having whatever hair we want. I am pretty sure before any society was established that we probably all had long hair and unkempt facial hair, the idea of men to hair short hair etc is just a product of our stereotypes in this culture.

OT: I am struggling to find anything inherently unique that people haven't mentioned already which is unpopular but which I believe.

I guess I could just say that I beleive that Paedophiles are not inherently evil, they are just a product of their biology and upbringing and should be helped and pitied rather than hated. Or perhaps even just left alone, AS LONG AS they do not act on their desires of children. If they do, then these people should be punished and then given therapy.
 

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Matthew94 said:
OhJohnNo said:
Matthew94 said:
The Daily Mail. Article is wrong.

I have 2 autistic brothers. They annoy me sometimes, but they certainly don't deserve to die. And they've brought my parents great joy.
And that's fine, they should be able to live a full and happy life. What I am talking about are the vegetables, the ones who are in a wheelchair for their entire life, don't have any rational thoughts and need a carer 24/7. That's what I am talking about.

Also, you may not like the Daily Mail but just saying they are wrong doesn't make them wrong.
Can you really call that autism though? Sounds like it goes rather beyond autism to me - a better term would be vegetablism or something (which sounds like a really odd religion whose arch enemy would be vegetarians).

Also, I'd advise you to read the only good Guardian article [http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/04/samantha-brick-thrown-to-wolves] for more info about why I have no trust for the Daily Mail.
 

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Rowan93 said:
Xangba said:
Rowan93 said:
I don't just disapprove of religious people, I think Deists are silly too. Also, agnostics are really annoying.

No belief deserves any respect, except perhaps the respect it earns. Respect can be earned by being right.
I see you fail to mention atheists, the ones who think that they are the only ones with higher cognitive functions. Agnostic at least acknowledges that NO ONE has any proof whatsoever of anything, so we should all shut up about it.
Well, obviously I didn't mention atheists, because the atheists are right. That's my point. Religious people are wrong, deists are wrong, agnostics are in a funny ying-yang state of rightwrong which makes them annoying, and all of that is because atheistm is correct.

The belief in a creator god violates occam's razor, and when you get right down to it, is just patently silly.

Well, actually, being silly is just another way of saying something violates occam's razor, but I think it carries more weight, and gets the point across better for what "violates occam's razor" actually means. The idea of god is silly, and agnostics consider the belief in a creator god to be worth considering, but not worth trying to analyse, or even decide whether they think one exists or not, which makes them in many ways worse than ordinary theists.
I don't understand your point about agnosticism. Agnosticism is saying that you don't know if there is a God or not, because there is no proof either way. It's not a belief, in fact I'd call it the most rational of the bunch. We don't say that it's not worth trying to analyse the belief (I say we, but I can obviously only talk for myself, sorry other agnostics!), we just think that it is impossible to prove that God does/doesn't exist.

Agnostics believe the idea of God is worth considering because, well, the nature of our universe is something that is worth considering, surely?

Think about it, if God doesn't obey the laws of our universe, then we cannot disprove em using said laws, because God is above those laws.

ALSO: I'm agnostic, but I still don't worship any Gods, mainly because I don't think we should worship a dictator
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
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"300" is practically Nazi propaganda.
You know the Nazi Party wanted all races bar pure-blood German to be phased out (or eradicated), right? Not sure what that has to do with ancient, classical period Greece.
Hitler and his boys would've LOVED the 300. Because of course the Persians were all inbred snaggle-toothed monsters and used wealth and sex to turn people to their side. OH, and the Spartans were totally freedom-loving (Despite keeping slaves as well) and were uber-mensches who believed in justice and equality.

Like, can you say that's true with a straight face? Frank Miller himself believes in eradicating the Muslim faith and burning the Middle-East off the map. If that isn't Genocide, I don't know what the fuck is. The movie plays like a bloody propaganda film-reel saying "KILL ALL DEM ARABS!!!"
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
Ignatz_Zwakh said:
"300" is practically Nazi propaganda.
You know the Nazi Party wanted all races bar pure-blood German to be phased out (or eradicated), right? Not sure what that has to do with ancient, classical period Greece.
I suspect they're talking about the way "300" is very militaristic and nationalistic. They might not be, but that's the impression I got.

Edit: Whoops, they clarfied themselves anyway, ignore my little post. Still, I pretty much agree with Ignatz, I think we have the same opinion, but they just went into more detail.