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Grey Day for Elcia

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Matthew94 said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
Matthew94 said:
everyone is entitled to healthcare and that's where my original statement comes from.
Healthcare is funded from taxes. Your argument is people who are currently in a vegetive state (not a word, but w/e, work with me here, lol) are not paying tax and are therefor not entitled to healthcare. Thus, anyone not paying taxes should also not be covered, as they "haven't paid for it."

Boy, I sure hope you work hard enough to cover any healthcare you might use in the future and pay a lotta tax. A shame the unemployed, underaged and retired can't pay tax. Ah well, fuck 'em right?

This just in: wanna live in a community? You do shit like help each other by paying taxes. Don't like that? I suggest finding a nice forest and setting up tent.
That's the thing, young people will most likely join the work force in the future and begin to pay taxes (other than the VAT they already pay on goods) and most elderly people will have worked for a long time which is why they get benefits. Unless they are scroungers, unemployed people generally try to find work and do not stay unemployed their entire lives.

The same cannot be said of vegetables. They will leach off the state from the minute they are born until they are dead and will never pay back a single penny in taxes, ever.

Also, vegetative is a word. Hell, it's even classified as a disorder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_vegetative_state
Ooohhh, so if someone is unlikely to be able to pay taxes at some point, they deserve to be left to die, as human life is only worth what it can give back to the state. Ah okay. I get ya.

Let me know when you grow out of that mentality.
 

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Matthew94 said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
Matthew94 said:
everyone is entitled to healthcare and that's where my original statement comes from.
Healthcare is funded from taxes. Your argument is people who are currently in a vegetive state (not a word, but w/e, work with me here, lol) are not paying tax and are therefor not entitled to healthcare. Thus, anyone not paying taxes should also not be covered, as they "haven't paid for it."

Boy, I sure hope you work hard enough to cover any healthcare you might use in the future and pay a lotta tax. A shame the unemployed, underaged and retired can't pay tax. Ah well, fuck 'em right?

This just in: wanna live in a community? You do shit like help each other by paying taxes. Don't like that? I suggest finding a nice forest and setting up tent.
That's the thing, young people will most likely join the work force in the future and begin to pay taxes (other than the VAT they already pay on goods) and most elderly people will have worked for a long time which is why they get benefits. Unless they are scroungers, unemployed people generally try to find work and do not stay unemployed their entire lives.

The same cannot be said of vegetables. They will leach off the state from the minute they are born until they are dead and will never pay back a single penny in taxes, ever.

Also, vegetative is a word. Hell, it's even classified as a disorder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_vegetative_state
The point of paying taxes into the government so that the government will in return provide free services is that we help those incapable of paying for those services. The idea is that we don't value people by how much the contribute to society, but rather we recognise that they are human and are deserving of things like health-care because they are human.

Here's a question, why should a "vegetable" (do we have to use that term? It seems very dehumanising) who is rich be allowed to live, but a poor person not be allowed to (because they/their family can't afford healthcare)?
 

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I mentioned the bailouts more as an implication of the hypocrisy surrounding capitalism. They're all for exploiting and manipulating people for profit, a kind of financial survival of the fittest if you will, but then they'll turn around and accept a government bail out when shit goes belly up. As you said, capitalists would just accept the company dying as being part of the process. As I mentioned, what pissed me, and a lot of other people off, regarding the bail out is the lack of return. If there's one thing from Marx I agree with, it's infrastructure. Wealth would not be accumulated if not for the infrastructure of which the foundations for your success was built on.

We can probably boil all this down to a cynical view of humanity. People in general are hypocritical and exploitative, regardless of your political/financial leanings.
 

deathzero021

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im loving this thread. lots of awesome/hilarious opinions. i agree mostly with the OP as well.

as for unpopular opinions of mine:

1. i hate all loyalists - whether it be for country, for corporation or other. there is no need to blindly follow any large group or authority, doing so makes you nothing but a mindless zombie. think for your damn self and consider every option and choice logically before you decide.

2. I love death metal and black metal. it seems to be very unpopular and i'm actually glad for that. if it were popular it probably wouldn't be as important to me. the lyrical themes and horror/aggressive mood is amazing, which leads me to my next part.

3. religion is the single worst thing to happen to our society. i wish that my opinion was the popular one and that religion was the unpopular choice... for reasons already said a million times by the few and the great. i have one last disclaimer for you all: read the book first before you start preaching.
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
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*snipped*
I never said a God made the universe, I just said it is unlikely that the universe just is. Plus if there is some sort of deity, it doesn't necessarily have to be all powerful/knowing/seeing.
Well, the latter implies the former. Or at least, it implies "a God probably made the universe".
Which I'm saying is wrong, because it's backwards, and it's more likely that the universe "just is" than that any physics-defying creator god exists.

Yeah, omniscience/omnipotence is just a bonus impossibility. It makes what's unlikely to begin with even worse.
When you think about it, isn't the likelihood of a species being so advanced as to have the technology to see the future and overcome death, pretty damn likely? I'm not religious (at all) but, given how old the universe is and how many planets are out there, it's kinda likely at least one of them has evolved and progressed past the point of human limitations, yeah?
I wouldn't call such a being a god. It's almost certain that billions of beings exist out there with "godlike" technological abilities, but technology has to work with what it's already got, and what it's made from, so it can't be supernatural, and so by my definitions that would mean no technological being can become a god.

And since we're on the topic, I also think that if this universe is a simulation, the creators of the simulation don't count as gods, and if a god exists in the simulation then that's just cheating, and I'm still pretty sure no god exists on the... outermost universe? Real universe? Whichever word you'd use for that.
 

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The "IDEA!" of an inferior race being killed by another inferior race? Why?
That's not the ideology behind it that's what literally happening. The Spartans where pretty much fascists so where the Nazis there ideology would be close. Why is that hard to get? Now I got to go travel across the country. Good bye and I am not going to respond to your next attack.
 

Grey Day for Elcia

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Matthew94 said:
words 'n' stuff
I don't think you understand what a strawman is.

You: "They will leach off the state from the minute they are born."

Me: "Human life is only worth what it can give back to the state."

Don't try to change your words after you've said them, silly billy.
 

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God does not exist, and when I discover someone believes in god my respect of them drops considerably.

Yeah, that's a pretty common "upopular opinion", but still.

For a less common unpopular opinion... When I heard that Newt Gingrich promised a moon base by the end of his second term, I decided if he actually meant that, I didn't care what his other policies were.
And that's actually true, if a potential leader (I'm not American, so I should probably be talking about hypothetical Prime Ministers so it's my own country's freedom on the line) promised a permanent moon base in eight years, and could be trusted to deliver on that, I wouldn't care if the candidate was actually Adolf Hitler, I would vote for him and advise any Jewish or homosexual friends of mine to flee while they can.

So yeah, I guess I either care that little for other people's lives, or that much about space. Probably a bit of both.

Oh, one more, which I'm not sure if it's unpopular or not: The singularity is near. I put about a 50% chance on "by the mid-2030s".
You don't respect people for believing in God yet you would have voted for somebody based on the fact that they promised a moonbase in 8 years?

Sorry, but that is just... that is just plain stupid.

deathzero021 said:
im loving this thread. lots of awesome/hilarious opinions. i agree mostly with the OP as well.

as for unpopular opinions of mine:

1. i hate all loyalists - whether it be for country, for corporation or other. there is no need to blindly follow any large group or authority, doing so makes you nothing but a mindless zombie. think for your damn self and consider every option and choice logically before you decide.

2. I love death metal and black metal. it seems to be very unpopular and i'm actually glad for that. if it were popular it probably wouldn't be as important to me. the lyrical themes and horror/aggressive mood is amazing, which leads me to my next part.

3. religion is the single worst thing to happen to our society. i wish that my opinion was the popular one and that religion was the unpopular choice... for reasons already said a million times by the few and the great. i have one last disclaimer for you all: read the book first before you start preaching.
1. Not everybody can lead. By your standards, more than half the world are blind sheeple loyalists.

2. You never see Death Metal or Black Metal bands winning any musical awards ever. Why is that? Because it's all the same. Some guy throwing out random riffs on a guitar while another guy screams incoherently into a microphone.

3. Fine, would you rather people butcher each other "For Science!" instead of "For the glory of God!"? Because religion doesn't make people more violent or stupid, people are just like that to begin with, and always will be.
 

Rowan93

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MinimanZombie said:
Rowan93 said:
MinimanZombie said:
Rowan93 said:
*snipped*
I never said a God made the universe, I just said it is unlikely that the universe just is. Plus if there is some sort of deity, it doesn't necessarily have to be all powerful/knowing/seeing.
Well, the latter implies the former. Or at least, it implies "a God probably made the universe".
Which I'm saying is wrong, because it's backwards, and it's more likely that the universe "just is" than that any physics-defying creator god exists.

Yeah, omniscience/omnipotence is just a bonus impossibility. It makes what's unlikely to begin with even worse.
*Sighs* Fine. Lets just say you can believe what you believe and I can believe what I believe (Which to be fair is a mix of science of religion).
The whole concept of "let's agree to disagree" is a pet peeve of mine, but on the other hand I don't really care enough to pursue it further, just to defend my own position, so yeah.
 

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Matthew94 said:
orangeban said:
Matthew94 said:
Grey Day for Elcia said:
Matthew94 said:
everyone is entitled to healthcare and that's where my original statement comes from.
Healthcare is funded from taxes. Your argument is people who are currently in a vegetive state (not a word, but w/e, work with me here, lol) are not paying tax and are therefor not entitled to healthcare. Thus, anyone not paying taxes should also not be covered, as they "haven't paid for it."

Boy, I sure hope you work hard enough to cover any healthcare you might use in the future and pay a lotta tax. A shame the unemployed, underaged and retired can't pay tax. Ah well, fuck 'em right?

This just in: wanna live in a community? You do shit like help each other by paying taxes. Don't like that? I suggest finding a nice forest and setting up tent.
That's the thing, young people will most likely join the work force in the future and begin to pay taxes (other than the VAT they already pay on goods) and most elderly people will have worked for a long time which is why they get benefits. Unless they are scroungers, unemployed people generally try to find work and do not stay unemployed their entire lives.

The same cannot be said of vegetables. They will leach off the state from the minute they are born until they are dead and will never pay back a single penny in taxes, ever.

Also, vegetative is a word. Hell, it's even classified as a disorder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_vegetative_state
The point of paying taxes into the government so that the government will in return provide free services is that we help those incapable of paying for those services. The idea is that we don't value people by how much the contribute to society, but rather we recognise that they are human and are deserving of things like health-care because they are human.

Here's a question, why should a "vegetable" (do we have to use that term? It seems very dehumanising) who is rich be allowed to live, but a poor person not be allowed to (because they/their family can't afford healthcare)?
Firstly, how did the vegetable earn money? If you are talking about someone who earned money then became a vegetable then they should be entitled to it seeing as they were contributing before their unfortunate demise. If they earned a lot of money then it seems rational to think they paid a lot of it in taxes too.

If it was someone who was a vegetable and was handed lots of money they should be able to use that money to fund their healthcare.

My original point was towards people born with the illness, I hope you read it and didn't just jump on midway.
Yeah, I did read it, sorry if my point wasn't clear, I'll rephrase it.

Why should a vegatitive person with a rich family be allowed to live, but a vegatitive person who can't afford healthcare be forced to die?
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
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3. religion is the single worst thing to happen to our society.
Hey, now! No! Just no!

Obviously Nickelback is the worst thing to ever happen to our society.
your lucky you live in an age where religion isn't completely killing the world (however look at 9-11) and much more to come, i'm sure of it. towers will continue to fall due to this ridiculous religion war. dumbest reason for war really.

also are you talking about the band???
 

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I strongly believe in the death penalty. But not for a life = a life. I think 2, maybe 3+ murders should be punished with death. And I also believe that if there is ANY shadow of a doubt that the assailant didn't actually do it, or doesn't meet the parameters for it (And of which there will be many), then don't bite the bullet and give him death.

I am strongly against Marijuana, and don't all you stoners ever try to change that, because all they've ever done while trying to make me 'a believer' is make me think that it's street name should be 'the stoopid drugh' (obviously said in a deep, slurred voice) I don't think it should be legalized at all, and all the reasons stoners routinely give for it to be legalized is absolute bullshit, and would never bloody work in the real world. Like you care about the economy, the paper industry, the health services, in all likelihood you're just a adolescent American that wants to be able to get blazed in public, and somehow you feel the right to be able to do that because the Dutch take such a relaxed view to it... Maybe I'm generalizing, maybe some stoners are quite intelligent, and know what the hell they're talking about, but they are REAAALLY in the minority, that's all most things in a democracy needs... Most stoners are idiocy ridden, delinquent, anti-conformists that constantly want to 'fight the man' for mostly no good reason. They are modern day anarchists, without the lasting legacy. And I dunno about you, but I don't really want to encourage that.

I believe that euthanasia should be legal. I've always believed that people should have the right to end their life, provided that they give one last contribution back to the country, or state in which they came, be it money, a service, whatever. And have a 6 month to a year therapy course or something to try and talk them out of it.

And I believe that parents should chose if their child should live or die if they're faced with real, REAL crippling mental or physical disorders that the parents feel either they can't handle, or the child can't handle.

There is nothing worse than a struggling family- like, literally on the edge of being homeless, because they had a child that was a problem from day one. I know it's hard to understand, so I need to give some context.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/captain_LOL/tksabort.jpg

And yes I know that picture is intended to be used in a dark humorous context, but that shit, or that shits equivalent does happen very often.

Yeah, that. If that happens, I don't think it's wise to let the parents have to fight through that, let alone the child. Sure people get all angsty about how life is sacred and stuff, but let's face it, in that situation, life really isn't worth it. That kid is never going to work, enjoy life, find love, or achieve any one of his dreams. It's all in the hands of the parents, and they're people too.
 

Grey Day for Elcia

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Matthew94 said:
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Calm down, there. No need to caps lock and rage. As I was saying: Hitler wasn't too down with the idea of any race but German being portrayed as anything more than weak, inferior and worthless.
That's not true, he promoted the Aryan race, not the German race. There is a marked difference.
Aryan isn't a race, sweetie. It's a concept. A concept that comes from the idea that Nordic blood lines are superior to others. Hitler believed Germans (and only Germans) were the most superior of these bloodlines.

You tried, though.
 

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S1leNt RIP said:
The only truly OP champ was release Xin Zhao.
I thought Twitch with a 140% asp boost and unlimited shots for the duration on Spray n Pray was OP. The champion i've seen more noobs get pentakills on than any other. Even with all the nerfs hes had, he's still my favourite carry.

Pantheon had a bug where each heartseeker tick scaled 1:1. Anivia could sit in the fountain and spam q outside the game walls and activate it which made the game apply the hit to the whole map. Nasus's siphon strike used to be percentage health based so you could farm it to 100% and one shot someone regardless of health or armour they bought.