Unrequited Love or How I'm Too Passive For My Own Good

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Lilani

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Froggy Slayer said:
First of all, I'm really glad you were able to look passed your own spite to think about her needs first. More than once I've seen on these boards guys that come in with the same problem as you, but rather than accepting that the girl is an autonomous human being who is capable of pursuing her own happiness, they have decided that they are the only man on earth that can make her happy and that any other choice she makes is wrong and merely a delusion generated by their friendship. Not only is that an unhealthy outlook, but it's also very selfish and possessive that only does more to prove you probably weren't the one for her.

Second of all, I think you're on the right track in that the whole "nice guys finish last" thing only appears to be true because "nice guys" tend to be less assertive in their feelings and so don't initiate romantic attention more than "jerks" might. Unfortunately, the only advice I have here is to just move outside your comfort zone. There's really no getting around it--a lot of girls do expect guys to make the first move, or at the very least expect some sort of sign that he reciprocates her feelings before she proceeds with more flirting. I know I'm like that. If I'm not pretty sure the guy has feelings for me as well, I'll hold back and keep twiddling my thumbs until I get some sort of a signal. It's not going to be easy, and it will probably be awkward at times, but the best advice I can give is don't be a creeper [http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2011/12/dont-be-a-creeper/all/1/] and be considerate. The worst she can do is say no, but it's your job to recognize when you've gotten a "no" and don't continue pushing after that point.
 

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That was my high school experience in a nutshell! Don't sweat it though, there will always be another girl around the corner that catches your fancy. Next time you've just got through with it. Also, "nice guys finish last" only applies to women who prefer Type A personalities. I assume you're a fellow Type B and let me tell you... the Type B girls are just as good, if not better ;3
 

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Lilani said:
The worst she can do is say no, but it's your job to recognize when you've gotten a "no" and don't continue pushing after that point.
I still think it's her job to make the "no" clear, as in, saying "I'm not interested", though. You know, I don't want to take classes in clairvoyance just for that. But yeah, when you get a "no", you accept that, I agree.

I mean, if the girl doesn't make it clear, how's a guy supposed to know if she's not interested, playing hard to get, or simply has her own problems with asserting what's going through her head?
 

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Moving on from this kind of situation is something I have personal experience in. Here's a few of my tips:
1) As mentioned, finding a new attraction is one of the quickest ways to move on, as long as it isn't superficial and designed to make your infatuation 'jealous' (they won't be!)
2) Focus on yourself for a while. This kind of severe infatuation tends to drain the self - you ignore your wellbeing and your interests as your infatuation takes over your world. Break free from that. Invest in you. Get out in the world, take up new hobbies and meet plenty of new people. Which brings me onto the next point...
3) Separation. You will not get over your infatuation if you are hanging out every single day, or constantly in contact. Your brain won't let you. Separation is needed, usually a month or two of little to no contact. Rekindle all the friendships you've been ignoring. There's a good chance this WILL damage your friendship with your infatuation. But it's better than having terrible mental health and self esteem. If anything, separation can strengthen the friendship.
4) This is the hardest one. You've got to come to realize that what you've felt has been a strong infatuation. It was a very passionate desire. Remove the label 'love' from it. Was it even love? Do I even know what love is? Life is too short too attach such significance to a relationship that will never be. It seems impossible to work out in your head at first, but its the last and most important part of getting over someone. Recognize that love is beautiful, but rare, and passion can create an illusion of it.
 

Lilani

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Vegosiux said:
I still think it's her job to make the "no" clear, as in, saying "I'm not interested", though. You know, I don't want to take classes in clairvoyance just for that. But yeah, when you get a "no", you accept that, I agree.

I mean, if the girl doesn't make it clear, how's a guy supposed to know if she's not interested, playing hard to get, or simply has her own problems with asserting what's going through her head?
From what I've seen, in most cases the strength of the answer is usually proportional to the strength of the question. If your "question" of romantic interest takes the form of vague flirting and gestures that could possibly be taken as simple friendliness (even two friends of the opposite sex can get coffee and have lunch together in a non-romantic context), then your answer is going to be vague signals of disinterest (not making eye contact or initiating conversation, that sort of thing). If you straight-up ask her "Would you like to go on a date with me?" then you're more likely to get a straight answer. Even if she still gives what might technically be a vague answer ("I'm busy" or "Maybe some other time") if it's not an affirmative "yes" and she doesn't make an effort to reschedule or tell her to call her again, then that answer is pretty clear.

Yes, that probably still is obtuse and unfair, but how are we supposed to be more blunt with how you guys go all sad, puppy-dog eyes on us when we let you down ;-P
 

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I'm torn. She has a boyfriend, and I don't think you should mess with that. On the other hand, I've been stuck on the same girl for...17 years now, and I'm pretty sure my inactivity has fucked me over for life. It's not great.

I met her on the first day of school, we were both 6. I was a hapless wallflower, and I don't think I ever would have found my way into the right class if she hadn't taken my hand. She was the liveliest, smartest, nicest person I've ever known. At first I watched her from afar, but we eventually bonded over shared interests.

One day in fourth grade we were talking about who in the class likes who. Things became awkward when it came my turn to spill the beans, so after me stalling for a few hours, she took a hostage. Namely, my bike. We ended up making a deal; I'd get my bike back and leave, and a friend of mine would stay behind to tell her.

The next day in school she came to me with a grin from ear to ear. We didn't talk about it, but it was known. Around the school too. Sadly, we were just kids, and "going steady" turned out to be not at all different from "being friends". I think by seventh grade we were back to "being friends", and I didn't have the guts to tell her just how much she meant to me.

On ninth grade out class made a trip to Norway, and we hung together most of the trip. Those were the best two weeks of my life. My best friend had also just gotten together with a girl he would go on to date for the next 4 years, and I was convinced that this is where I would make my feelings known. Well, we went there and back again, we had fun, but I never said the words.

I knew we were going to different high schools after ninth grade, and for a while there I considered just offing myself. I decided against it (or was just too indecisive again), and started a new life in high school...except I didn't. She was there, again, on the first day of school, to help me be less lost. It turned out her new boyfriend was going to my new school. She was going to a different school, and I still had to see her on an almost daily basis, only now she was with someone else.

One fine day I was feeling especially brave and desperate and brave, so I sent her a text message saying "You know how I had a crush on some years back? Well, that never really went away..." followed by another one saying "Actually, just forget about it." I didn't have to wait long for an answer. She said: "You know I won't forget. And I'm sorry..." I bawled my eyes out that day, which was awkward, because I was still in school.

Some days later, as I was getting ready to go home after school, I got a message from her asking if I was still at school. I was walking to my bus stop while trying to think of something to text back, as I didn't really feel ready to confront her just yet. Then she ambushed me, from behind, mid text. She wanted to know if I was okay. I told her that it's fine, that it's not a big deal.

Over the following months we took a karate class together, and were in touch somewhat regularly by instant messaging. We were friends again. At some point she told me that a friend of hers back in ninth grade had asked her why we weren't together, to which she replied that she just didn't think I was interested in her in that way. Eventually she told me she had broken up with her boyfriend. Said she felt he was "pigeonholing" her, that he didn't get her. And I did what I always do: absolutely nothing.

Our IM talks started getting less and less frequent, until at some point I hadn't heard from her for over a year. One summer I sent her a text, inviting her over for dinner. To my joy and horror she accepted the offer, and to make things worse, she had become a vegetarian. I don't know how to cook for a vegetarian! But at least I'd get one last chance to level with her. That was all that mattered.

The food wasn't great, but we had fun. As the night went on I managed to read between the lines that she was in a relationship again, which brought me down a notch, but then she dropped the big one: she was going to move over to Scotland to study. At that point I began rationalizing the situation, telling myself that opening up to her would be pointless. She had someone else, and she was moving anyway, so what I would have to say would just make her feel like shit, and in the end nothing would change.

I said nothing. We had a few more IM chats, but I haven't heard from her since she left for Scotland. That was almost five years ago, and the thoughts of what could have been make me feel like I'm being operated on by a dentist with a jackhammer. The thought of her being happy with someone else turns the jackhammer into a pile driver. I mean, I want her to be happy and all, I'd just rather it was with me... But I guess if I could have made her happy, I would have.

I got stupid and decided to google her not too long ago, and Google in its infinite cruelty decided a slap a picture of her in a park with some dude at my face. It looked like a scene from a fucking romcom (maybe it was? That would make me feel better at least). I wasn't even doing a picture search! So all I know is that nowadays she's studying chemistry 1600 kilometers away from me, and is probably in a happy relationship.

Of course I could look her up on Facebook or something, if I wanted to. But I don't know if telling her would make my situation better in one way or the other, and I think it would be pretty shitty of me to drop my baggage on her if she's doing well for herself.

I've never asked someone out in my life. I'm insecure to begin with, and I just haven't found anyone else I'm that interested in. I've been asked out by others, but I've always ended it after a few dates because this whole dating thing just does nothing for me.

I'm no longer harboring any hope that me and her will ever happen, and yet I still can't let it go. She told me she wouldn't forget. I don't know if she still remembers me, but I do know that she has no idea how hard I've been trying to forget her.

TLDR: Obsession is bad, kids. So yeah, I don't know how the fuck to do it, but get over her, quick. Take this as a cautionary tale on how dwelling on it WILL ruin your life.

Captcha: don't waste time

Even Captcha knows.
 

Vegosiux

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Lilani said:
Yes, that probably still is obtuse and unfair, but how are we supposed to be more blunt with how you guys go all sad, puppy-dog eyes on us when we let you down ;-P
Hah, good one!

Yeah I do see your point. I'm just saying that so many awkward situations could be avoided if people were simply more clear about stuff at least when they're certain about what they're thinking. But I suppose the crux is in the fact that in such a situation people simply make themselves vulnerable and the psychology kicks in, or something.

I mean, okay, I'm old enough to recognize interest and disinterest, and can even tell the difference between lack of confidence and lack of interest - which is another thing many people seem to have problem with I might add, and mean "Don't be picky" when they say "Be confident".
 

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My four step process for this undeniably shitty experience:

1. Properly classify your feelings as infatuation (and/or lust). Romantic love is mutual.
2. Cut her out. Otherwise moving on is infinitely more painful/time-consuming. Explain this to her.
3. Work on yourself. Literally (exercise), but also at school, at work, etc. Distraction is key.
4. Talk to other females. Force yourself if necessary. You might have to rebound, and that's fine.

Above all else, be respectful of everyone involved. Respect your "crush" even as you're calmly explaining why you can't be around her anymore. Respect the next girl you meet by keeping things casual and light until you're genuinely ready to jump into something more serious. And respect yourself by realizing that you deserve someone who loves you back.
 

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SaneAmongInsane said:
Also, some people will tell you not to be a dick. I will not dissuade you from that, but there's something to be said about not being too nice. Don't always say the nice things or do the right action, choose the "Renegade" option every once in a while. If a girl wants a dog, they'd get a dog ya know?
I think this depends on what you mean by 'nice'.
If you're not telling her how you actually feel and agreeing to things you dislike because you think it's 'nice', she might end up distrusting you and how you aren't being honest with her.

I got a (platonic) friend back in high school who was too nice, and annoyed me so much.
She would never defend her opinions, and gave up on everything if it caused inconvenience on anyone.
I ended up being quite rude to her, trying to push her, but she was just a doormat...

I always got the feeling I would have fallen for her if she was just a bit more assertive and more interesting. Eventually I just gave up and was nice to her and accepted she wasn't the kind of person I'd really become good friends with.
 

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excalipoor said:
I'm torn. She has a boyfriend, and I don't think you should mess with that. On the other hand, I've been stuck on the same girl for...17 years now, and I'm pretty sure my inactivity has fucked me over for life. It's not great.

I met her on the first day of school, we were both 6. I was a hapless wallflower, and I don't think I ever would have found my way into the right class if she hadn't taken my hand. She was the liveliest, smartest, nicest person I've ever known. At first I watched her from afar, but we eventually bonded over shared interests.

One day in fourth grade we were talking about who in the class likes who. Things became awkward when it came my turn to spill the beans, so after me stalling for a few hours, she took a hostage. Namely, my bike. We ended up making a deal; I'd get my bike back and leave, and a friend of mine would stay behind to tell her.

The next day in school she came to me with a grin from ear to ear. We didn't talk about it, but it was known. Around the school too. Sadly, we were just kids, and "going steady" turned out to be not at all different from "being friends". I think by seventh grade we were back to "being friends", and I didn't have the guts to tell her just how much she meant to me.

On ninth grade out class made a trip to Norway, and we hung together most of the trip. Those were the best two weeks of my life. My best friend had also just gotten together with a girl he would go on to date for the next 4 years, and I was convinced that this is where I would make my feelings known. Well, we went there and back again, we had fun, but I never said the words.

I knew we were going to different high schools after ninth grade, and for a while there I considered just offing myself. I decided against it (or was just too indecisive again), and started a new life in high school...except I didn't. She was there, again, on the first day of school, to help me be less lost. It turned out her new boyfriend was going to my new school. She was going to a different school, and I still had to see her on an almost daily basis, only now she was with someone else.

One fine day I was feeling especially brave and desperate and brave, so I sent her a text message saying "You know how I had a crush on some years back? Well, that never really went away..." followed by another one saying "Actually, just forget about it." I didn't have to wait long for an answer. She said: "You know I won't forget. And I'm sorry..." I bawled my eyes out that day, which was awkward, because I was still in school.

Some days later, as I was getting ready to go home after school, I got a message from her asking if I was still at school. I was walking to my bus stop while trying to think of something to text back, as I didn't really feel ready to confront her just yet. Then she ambushed me, from behind, mid text. She wanted to know if I was okay. I told her that it's fine, that it's not a big deal.

Over the following months we took a karate class together, and were in touch somewhat regularly by instant messaging. We were friends again. At some point she told me that a friend of hers back in ninth grade had asked her why we weren't together, to which she replied that she just didn't think I was interested in her in that way. Eventually she told me she had broken up with her boyfriend. Said she felt he was "pigeonholing" her, that he didn't get her. And I did what I always do: absolutely nothing.

Our IM talks started getting less and less frequent, until at some point I hadn't heard from her for over a year. One summer I sent her a text, inviting her over for dinner. To my joy and horror she accepted the offer, and to make things worse, she had become a vegetarian. I don't know how to cook for a vegetarian! But at least I'd get one last chance to level with her. That was all that mattered.

The food wasn't great, but we had fun. As the night went on I managed to read between the lines that she was in a relationship again, which brought me down a notch, but then she dropped the big one: she was going to move over to Scotland to study. At that point I began rationalizing the situation, telling myself that opening up to her would be pointless. She had someone else, and she was moving anyway, so what I would have to say would just make her feel like shit, and in the end nothing would change.

I said nothing. We had a few more IM chats, but I haven't heard from her since she left for Scotland. That was almost five years ago, and the thoughts of what could have been make me feel like I'm being operated on by a dentist with a jackhammer. The thought of her being happy with someone else turns the jackhammer into a pile driver. I mean, I want her to be happy and all, I'd just rather it was with me... But I guess if I could have made her happy, I would have.

I got stupid and decided to google her not too long ago, and Google in its infinite cruelty decided a slap a picture of her in a park with some dude at my face. It looked like a scene from a fucking romcom (maybe it was? That would make me feel better at least). I wasn't even doing a picture search! So all I know is that nowadays she's studying chemistry 1600 kilometers away from me, and is probably in a happy relationship.

Of course I could look her up on Facebook or something, if I wanted to. But I don't know if telling her would make my situation better in one way or the other, and I think it would be pretty shitty of me to drop my baggage on her if she's doing well for herself.

I've never asked someone out in my life. I'm insecure to begin with, and I just haven't found anyone else I'm that interested in. I've been asked out by others, but I've always ended it after a few dates because this whole dating thing just does nothing for me.

I'm no longer harboring any hope that me and her will ever happen, and yet I still can't let it go. She told me she wouldn't forget. I don't know if she still remembers me, but I do know that she has no idea how hard I've been trying to forget her.

TLDR: Obsession is bad, kids. So yeah, I don't know how the fuck to do it, but get over her, quick. Take this as a cautionary tale on how dwelling on it WILL ruin your life.

Captcha: don't waste time

Even Captcha knows.
Wow, just wow. That is one hell of an experience and was honestly quite hard to read. Those bits about wanting her to be happy, but with you and seeing a picture of her and... someone else. Every time I see something like that it's like getting stabbed or having a knife twisted.

I really hope I don't sound patronising but that was me recently. Never asked anyone out, meet a girl, get close quickly etc. Anyway I kept trying to get brave enough to ask her out and kept putting it off. I knew we wouldn't see each other over Christmas so I rationalised that I would ask her the next time I saw her, which would be a couple of months time.

Then I saw a picture of her and... someone else. It was immediately obvious what was going on, it was just like, as you say "a picture from a fucking romcom." So damn perfect. Then the pictures kept coming and I started forcing myself to look at them as a way of accepting what was going on. Needless to say it didn't really work and there are still sleepless nights spent wondering on the 'what-ifs'. Can't even sleep without thinking about her every night, it's basically become part of my routine.

Seeing them in a picture together, or even just seeing their names together is painful. I know it's nobody's fault but my own for not saying something. All the advice in the world isn't helping either, there are no magic words that will make me see the light and realise what I must do. As much as I understand the logic in finding someone else or moving on I just can't right now because of that voice in the back of my head saying: You're doing this for your benefit, trying to get over her rather than wanting to get with someone else, you're doing this for the wrong reasons. I can't shut that bit up.

Strangely enough though the whole 'exercising' thing seems to help a lot. I've had way more motivation to do it than before so that does work.

Jesus I'm venting here, sorry.
 

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I wasted years pining after 'friends' and girls I didn't think I could get. Interestingly all my issues were because I was a virgin at the time, once you get laid everything changes. The friends I wanted in the past I was able to get easily because I suddenly had the confidence and I knew what I was doing.

So my advice is to let it go for now and wait until you have the confidence you need to go after her. And even though this will probably receive scorn on this website, channel your negativity and anger into the gym. Find a gym buddy who knows what he's doing, buy a bag of protein powder and get going 4/5 times a week. It does wonders for your self confidence, and after just 2 months you will start to notice a change (if you do things right), and hell, you might not know if you have the right body for it now, but after just 4 or 5 months you can pump yourself up and have all the confidence in the world to pick up girls.

I know personality and all that nonsense are the important aspects in finding a relationship, but you really do need to find confidence in yourself first and the best way to do that is to funnel the negativity and sad thoughts into something worthwhile.
 

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Vegosiux said:
Angie7F said:
Find another girl.
Only new crushes help me get over old ones.
That's...actually a problem, I'd say. Rebound relationships are iffy, at least from my experience. As the guy above said...

Well, I personally think rebounds depend on how you handle it.
there are plenty of iffy rebounds, but then you have ones which make you think
"This is the girl I have been waiting for. Why the hell was I so caught up on THAT girl?"

I guess, my philosophy is that you can only scout around and enjoy being on the market when you are young and single.
THi is why I try to make the most of it rather than sit at home nursing my wound and then realise that I wasted all my best years away.
 

Vegosiux

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Well, I personally think rebounds depend on how you handle it.
Being in a relationship for the sake of being in a relationship is never my idea of "handling it well", to be honest.

there are plenty of iffy rebounds, but then you have ones which make you think
"This is the girl I have been waiting for. Why the hell was I so caught up on THAT girl?"
I also don't believe there's such a thing as "the one"...because that would be quite a gloomy proposal. There's actually an article with quite a thorough analysis on that. [http://what-if.xkcd.com/9/]

I guess, my philosophy is that you can only scout around and enjoy being on the market when you are young and single.
Yes, I think many young people think that. I think even I might have thought that a decade and a half ago or so. But unless you're comfortable in your own company, you're not going to have stable relationships, really.

THi is why I try to make the most of it rather than sit at home nursing my wound and then realise that I wasted all my best years away.
There's no such a thing as "best years". The years are what you make of them. My mother is 50, single (divorced and all), and I swear, she's living her "best years" right now.

There's no reason one "has" to be in a relationship by the age of X. They're not a mark of success, nor a rite of passage, nor a requirement.
 

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JaceValm said:
It's probably not my place to be saying this to anyone after what I posted...but I think you should tell her. The OP should too. I genuinely think it's the best thing you can do for yourselves. Even if there's a third person involved, I don't think anybody could blame you for doing that.

But you should expect to be turned down. Don't go into it thinking that there's a chance, but make sure she understand exactly how you feel. It'll be easier when you've already given up. She'll feel like shit for not being able reciprocate, but she'll get over it. And after getting your answer, hopefully, with time, you will too.

...That's what I think, but you already know how well my love life has turned out. It's hanging on to these hopes and what-ifs that has kept me from moving on. The only way to end it (besides, you know...) is to convince yourself that it won't ever happen, and you need her to confirm that. It's selfish, but everyone's allowed to selfish every now and then.