Update: Rumor: Ubisoft Cancels Wii U Version of Watch_Dogs

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Casual Shinji

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Casual Shinji said:
Well what are they supposed to do, not report it everytime the Wii-U suffers another major blow?
Well, they could wait until it was beyond "several Gamestops in Italy say so."

I don't think that's particularly unreasonable.
Every news site generally wants to be the first to spill the beans though. And with "several Gamestops" claiming the exact same thing in the current light that the Wii-U is in, it's not too strange the Escapist finds it a worthy story. Whether it be rumor or not. And let's hope for Nintendo it is.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Every news site generally wants to be the first to spill the beans though.
I know. And that's how gaming journalism (and journalism in general) has devolved into clickbait and isolated lines removed from context.
 

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CriticKitten said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
Casual Shinji said:
Well what are they supposed to do, not report it everytime the Wii-U suffers another major blow?
Well, they could wait until it was beyond "several Gamestops in Italy say so."

I don't think that's particularly unreasonable.
Pretty much this.

Gaming journalism is getting almost as ridiculous as real journalism. Rumors are being passed around as 100% confirmed "news", and it's been especially bad lately because of how many of these rumors have been confirmed as being wrong. It reflects even more poorly on our "journalists" when they report on things without any evidence of their validity.

Reminds me of a certain South Park clip. "No, we haven't actually seen any of those things, we're just reporting it."
and WHOOPS! It's still listed on the Gamestop Italy website:

http://playeressence.com/gamestop-italy-is-still-take-pre-orders-on-watch-dogs-for-wii-u/

I think it's about time we need to stop jumping to conclusions and wait a bit before actually talking about stuff like this. People are just so quick to jump the gun
 

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kanetsb said:
I would go one step further and said that the WiiU itself, is already cancelled as well.
Ho ho ho. So Fanny. That's ridiculous. There is no way they're just going to pull a Dreamcast and just up and say "we give up, we're done." Not even when it's costing them this much money. If they were to cancel the games they've said were in development but haven't been revealed, they just lost any chance of being successful in another console generation. They'll have majorly betrayed their fans, who bought the system based on the promises of those titles coming. They're better off losing tons of money than straight up damaging the Nintendo brand.
 

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CriticKitten said:
Aiddon said:
and WHOOPS! It's still listed on the Gamestop Italy website:

http://playeressence.com/gamestop-italy-is-still-take-pre-orders-on-watch-dogs-for-wii-u/

I think it's about time we need to stop jumping to conclusions and wait a bit before actually talking about stuff like this. People are just so quick to jump the gun
Looks like it's time for major gaming journalism sites to learn about another aspect of journalism: the concept of a "retraction".

I'm tired of gaming websites reporting false news, and then backpedaling on "well it was just a rumor" whenever they print something that's blatantly false. It's time to insist that gaming journalism sites start posting formal retractions whenever they falsely report the "news".
Funny thing is, looking at other gaming websites such as Joystiq, the removal and cancellation talk is all because of an error at Gamestop Italy. So the reactions calling that Nintendo's doomed, that this is a good thing, such such bad mouthing Wii U/Nintendo? Just the usual anti-Nintendo crowd throwing their weight over a rumor that was blatantly false if one were to look into it for a minute.
 

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http://gaminrealm.com/2014/01/23/nintendo-stock-returns-normal/

And some people STILL say gaming journalism isn't biased against Nintendo.

On topic though, Watch Dog's official site still shows the Wii U listed as one of the platforms the game will be on.
 

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Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
No third party games,
On the Wii U?

Questionably funny cynicism aside, poor Nintendo fans. These threads can't be fun.
NO THEY FREAKIN' AREN'T!

Seriously though, I was on the fence on which console I was going to get this on; No question, I want Watch Dogs but I was either going to get this sooner on the U or later on the PS4 (when the price drops etc). I'm hoping my choice wasn't made for me and if anything I'm suddenly compelled to see if I can pre-order a copy here in the states...or not...haven't pre-ordered anything since 2011 and I'm oddly proud of that.

VG_Addict said:
http://gaminrealm.com/2014/01/23/nintendo-stock-returns-normal/

And some people STILL say gaming journalism isn't biased against Nintendo.

On topic though, Watch Dog's official site still shows the Wii U listed as one of the platforms the game will be on.
This helped...hopefully Watch Dogs will stay on as a U title but as we've seen before, Colonial Marines was pushed back until it toppled off of a cliff (maybe that was a good thing though) and, Crysis 3 was ready to be pressed to Wii U discs before EA said "Hell No, Wii won't Go"
 

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LordOfInsanity said:
Funny thing is, looking at other gaming websites such as Joystiq, the removal and cancellation talk is all because of an error at Gamestop Italy. So the reactions calling that Nintendo's doomed, that this is a good thing, such such bad mouthing Wii U/Nintendo? Just the usual anti-Nintendo crowd throwing their weight over a rumor that was blatantly false if one were to look into it for a minute.
No kidding; I know January is a SLOOOOOOOOW news month, but people can't be THIS starved for distractions, can they? You'd think they would find far more interesting things to do with their time instead of blowing up what amounted to a computer error
 

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Well, I'm glad this turned out to be false (by all accounts in this thread).

If this happened, I wouldn't be able to go to work. One of my co-workers would have killed everyone.
 

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Who is going to make games aimed at kids if nintendo dies? No, really. Who?

Almost every AAA developer out there right now that isn't under nintendo's wing is making M rated games. If it's not a massive sandbox game, it's either some gritty fuckin' zombie shooter with crafting because minecraft had crafting and therefore every game every must now feature crafting for no reason or it's a military shooter. And while I don't hate those genres, I still like games like Donkey Kong and Banjo and Metroid (Didn't have mario as a kid. Or pokemon except for pokemon snap and the TV show). Who is going to make those kinds of games if nintendo goes under?

I'm just saying I don't see many good kid friendly games coming to the Xbox One or 360 or PS3 or PS4. Maybe rayman? I don't know. But if nintendo dies, what's going to stop the industry from turning into a sequel machine for zombie shooters, regular shooters, and heavy rain?
 

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BrotherRool said:
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To be frank I hope WD fails just so it bites Ubisoft in the ass, they were once at Nintendo's side at the start and then out of nowhere left them out to dry.
And by out of nowhere you mean after they repeatedly lost millions trying to support the platform with games. I don't get why people are taking this so personally, it's not Ubisoft spiting the Wii U but you have to be insane to continually throw cash at a platform that almost guarantees it's going to be wasted.

They made what was lauded as one of the best launch titles for the platform and it couldn't even sell a million units. this isn't Ubisoft hating on the Wii U, this is the Wii U sucking.

And if Nintendo's response to the third-parties was to hate them for Nintendo's own failure, then next time when no-one even wants to try to help Nintendo's platform it's going to be completely justified
You mean the crappy Zombi U game where they said it wasn't profitable, but it actually was?

Or do you mean the shitty Mario Party clone?

Or perhaps you meant Rayman? Which was 0.27 million sold on Wii U(Despite Ubisoft spitting in Wii U owners faces)
0.23 million on XBox 360(Remind me again, how big is the 360 install base compared to Wii U)
0.4 million on the Vita(well, the Vita's install base is about the same size as the Wii U's.)
or 0.30 million on PS3.

That's right, they've got more then triple the install base, yet only sold 0.3 million more. xD
 

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kiri2tsubasa said:
Considering that the last game that Ubisoft released for the wiiu was Assassins Creed 4, you can not say that they have left nintendo out to dry. Besides, Watchdogs is still listed on the official Ubisoft website.

http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/Search.aspx?plTag=wiiu

Fun fact, as of January 11 on the wiiu Assassins Creed 4 only sold around 120,000 units world wide.
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/71748/assassins-creed-iv-black-flag/
So yeah, people just aren't buying 3rd party games on the wiiu (if wonderful 101s 140,000 world wide sales are any indicator). Hell Ubisoft is bout the only one still doing what they can to make money on that system.

Even then I said it before and I will say it again, people do not seem to want 3rd party games on the wiiu.
Well, in their defense, a lot of Wii U multi-play third party games had less content then the 360/PS3 version. Kinda can't blame Wii U owners for feeling burned.

I mean, tell me honestly, would you pay 60$ for a game that's not as good as the PS3/360 version, not because of your consoles hardware, but because of the company making the port?

Not saying all the multi-plats are missing things, but yeah, people might doubt the value of the multi-plat games, because of past instances where features are missing.
 

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Racecarlock said:
Who is going to make games aimed at kids if nintendo dies? No, really. Who?

Almost every AAA developer out there right now that isn't under nintendo's wing is making M rated games. If it's not a massive sandbox game, it's either some gritty fuckin' zombie shooter with crafting because minecraft had crafting and therefore every game every must now feature crafting for no reason or it's a military shooter. And while I don't hate those genres, I still like games like Donkey Kong and Banjo and Metroid (Didn't have mario as a kid. Or pokemon except for pokemon snap and the TV show). Who is going to make those kinds of games if nintendo goes under?

I'm just saying I don't see many good kid friendly games coming to the Xbox One or 360 or PS3 or PS4. Maybe rayman? I don't know. But if nintendo dies, what's going to stop the industry from turning into a sequel machine for zombie shooters, regular shooters, and heavy rain?
Pretty much this. I decided to go Nintendo this gen because I was tired of all the derivative crap that was coming out for the 360 and PS3 and didn't have faith that either of those consoles' successor would provide anything different. I'd rather a few fun, well made, colourful games than a thousand grey-brown "Next-gen" shooters.
 

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I think Nintendo and the Nintendo Wii U is going to be fine, but I think people really underestimate or overlook the tough situation Nintendo is in. Going back to the very start with the NES and the Sega Master System, the market has never comfortably supported 3 different console systems. First it was Sega and Nintendo, and other aspiring companies like the Turbo Graphix 16 or Panasonic 3DO didn't last long. When Sony successfully entered the market and took top spot, it wasn't long before Sega bowed out. Then you have Microsoft jumping on board, and it's really gotten crowded.

Basically it's been about 15 years and now 3 console generations, by this point the majority of the 'core' gamers that companies like EA/Activision/Ubisoft develop their big games for have moved on from Nintendo at best, and at worst have become outright hostile to them. Many will say that Nintendo just needs to make a console that has the same power as Sony & Microsoft so they can get the same ports as them, but is that really going to work? Cross platform games that have been ported to Nintendo side have never done well, because the people that want those games already have a Playstation or Xbox for that. Do we really need another $400-500 console? For Nintendo to do that they're going to cut out much of their existing support base and will have to sell the consoles at a loss to start to stay competitive. They're not going to beat Sony and especially not Microsoft in a contest of 'how much money can we lose before we start turning a profit?'

Nintendo basically has to do their own thing and create a different market for themselves. They did this perfectly with the Wii, but haven't been able to follow up with the same success on the Wii-U. Not to say that the Wii U can't be successful, just that the Wii is a near impossible act to follow.
 

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Isn't this sort of thing exactly what happened with the Wii? It's third party support was pretty much nonexistent. We literally came to a point where someone said something was multiplatform and you automatically assumed they were talking PS3 and 360 only. Seems we're going that way with the Wii U.
And The N64... And the Gamecube... 3rd party support has been Nintendo's Achilles heel for a long time now...

And no matter how much the Nintendo Defense Force wants to claim otherwise, Nintendo needs third party support. The Wii managed success because it was new, unique and could be fun even to non gamers. Nintendo has failed in many ways with the Wii U. Not the least of which were naming and advertising. It's a bad sign when even a gamer like myself didn't know what the Wii U console looked like even a year after it's launch. I've never had that problem in the past.
Careful what you wish for though. Is 3rd party support important? Yes. But on the whole I think Nintendo damaged the Wii U more by trying to improve 3rd party support than if they had just gone on as usual.

The irony being, that Nintendo deliberately held back or delayed development of decent first party titles for the sake of 3rd party developers. (Go back to news from around the launch period.)

Look at the launch itself in fact; 20 titles. Most of which were 3rd party, and the few first-party titles were pretty weak by nintendo's standards... (Contrast this with the N64 where the ENTIRE launch lineup consisted of first-party titles.)

I get the feeling, that in trying to 'fix' third party support they actually shot themselves in the foot, and the Wii U would've performed better if Nintendo had stuck with it's older principles of releasing at least one strong first-party title at launch. (Let's face it, New Super Mario is not a very strong launch game for something involving mario...)


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Is Nintendo on it's last legs? No, I don't think so. But they seriously need to turn around the Wii U somehow (you can't rely on the 3DS exclusively). If things continue like this, they may have to look at some serious changes. And losing a rather high profile game like Watch Dogs, can't help, if this turns out to be true. The only thing worse than losing this would probably be losing X.

Of course, the Wii U seems like it could have really supported Watch Dogs easily since they were pushing the Smart Glass thing and the Wii U has that covered with the controller. Seems like they built the game with that in mind, actually.[/quote]

Anyway, to summarise, 3rd party support is indeed important, but Nintendo seems to have deliberately hamstrung themselves to try and fix it, making the Wii U less popular than it might've been with better first-party launch titles.
And while implementing policies to try and improve 3rd party support for your console is a good thing, it will clearly backfire spectacularly if you harm the console's overall success in the process.

Because at the end of the day, with 3rd party support, there is still one clear lesson; More popular console = more 3rd party support.

(That's of course not the whole truth - Especially in the days of multiplatform games. The Wii's 3rd party support was clearly hurt immensely by the weak hardware, which meant direct ports were difficult to do. So it had weak support in spite of having a clear numerical advantage over the other consoles.)
 

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Ya know, I have got to say that this really fucking sucks if true because if there was at least one third party game I was likely to buy on my Wii U, it was going to be Watch Dogs. The tablet interface would have been really slick for a game like that. I guess I'll just use it for Nintendo exclusives... just like everyone else.
 

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Asuka Soryu said:
You mean the crappy Zombi U game where they said it wasn't profitable, but it actually was?
Okay this one I'm actually interested in, do you have sources for that? Because by my calculations Zombi U took in roughly $9 million gross. A friggin' Wii game cost around $7 million to make and a PS3 game cost around $20-$30 million to make. Even if we assume the Wii U's hardware is so sucky that it's only on the level with the last generation (which isn't true) then Zombi U lost Ubisoft $11-$21 million dollars.

If you have a source that that's not the case I'd be very interested. Most AAA games aren't profitable if they sell 2-3 million units and this game only sold .6 million.


Asuka Soryu said:
Or do you mean the shitty Mario Party clone?

Or perhaps you meant Rayman? Which was 0.27 million sold on Wii U(Despite Ubisoft spitting in Wii U owners faces)
0.23 million on XBox 360(Remind me again, how big is the 360 install base compared to Wii U)
0.4 million on the Vita(well, the Vita's install base is about the same size as the Wii U's.)
or 0.30 million on PS3.

That's right, they've got more then triple the install base, yet only sold 0.3 million more. xD
How about Assassins Creed IV which was launched concurrently on the Wii U and ahead of the PS4 and One, want to guess how well that did?

120,000 units. That would barely cover the cost of a port

The Xbox One version outsold it 5 to 1, the PS4 version outsold it 10 to 1. And these consoles came out a year later, they shouldn't be coming close to challenging software sales, never mind leaving it in the dust

There is literally not a single non-Nintendo game who hasn't lost money on the Wii U, unless their games cost under $5 million, the cost of a cheap Wii game.
 
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Calm down everyone, it was just a "glitch in the system"
Kotaku reported that they got confirmation that it was just a hiccup and the Wii-U version is still coming from both Italy and their U.S. based source.

http://kotaku.com/gamestop-is-canceling-watch-dogs-wii-u-pre-orders-this-1508273787



Damn, guys, Kotaku beating the Escapist to this is rather embarrassing...