Update: Rumor: Ubisoft Cancels Wii U Version of Watch_Dogs

[bluegate]

Who is going to make games aimed at kids if nintendo dies? No, really. Who?

Almost every AAA developer out there right now that isn't under nintendo's wing is making M rated games. If it's not a massive sandbox game, it's either some gritty fuckin' zombie shooter with crafting because minecraft had crafting and therefore every game every must now feature crafting for no reason or it's a military shooter. And while I don't hate those genres, I still like games like Donkey Kong and Banjo and Metroid (Didn't have mario as a kid. Or pokemon except for pokemon snap and the TV show). Who is going to make those kinds of games if nintendo goes under?

I'm just saying I don't see many good kid friendly games coming to the Xbox One or 360 or PS3 or PS4. Maybe rayman? I don't know. But if nintendo dies, what's going to stop the industry from turning into a sequel machine for zombie shooters, regular shooters, and heavy rain?

What defines a 'game aimed at kids'? While you are at it, mind making a list of these first party Nintendo games that are 'aimed' at kids and why you think that they are 'kid's games'. The bold part is especially important as it ties back to what a 'kid's game' actually is.

I look forward to your answer

 

[kanetsb]

I would go one step further and said that the WiiU itself, is already cancelled as well.

Ho ho ho. So Fanny. That's ridiculous. There is no way they're just going to pull a Dreamcast and just up and say "we give up, we're done."

That's nice... but...

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/131517-Rumor-Nintendo-Fusion-Is-Nintendos-New-Next-Gen-System

Personally, I would get the shovel and start looking for that spot where Atari buried those ETs, there will be a lot of WiiUs to keep them company soon.

 

[coolbond]

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Pretty much this. I decided to go Nintendo this gen because I was tired of all the derivative crap that was coming out for the 360 and PS3 and didn't have faith that either of those consoles' successor would provide anything different. I'd rather a few fun, well made, colourful games than a thousand grey-brown "Next-gen" shooters.

this oh so this. plus in a couple of years the consolse will be cheeper and i can get the few good games plus a couple of strange nich games second hand in my game store

 

[Something Amyss]

Who is going to make games aimed at kids if nintendo dies? No, really. Who?

Who cares?

I mean, if Nintendo were to die (which I doubt it will), wouldn't that be a strong indicator there isn't a market for games aimed at kids?

 

[Something Amyss]

That's nice... but...

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/131517-Rumor-Nintendo-Fusion-Is-Nintendos-New-Next-Gen-System

Personally, I would get the shovel and start looking for that spot where Atari buried those ETs, there will be a lot of WiiUs to keep them company soon.

You might want to wait to bury the Wii U until after this thing is announced. It's just a rumour, not a given, and the original information seems to have been posted by some random guy. As many people noted in the comments section for that very article, the specs don't make sense. Finally, even if there is a new console, it might be years before we see anything.

Not to mention this purportedly replaces the 3DS as well, which is not doing anywhere near as bad.

 

[blackrave]

I'm sick of all WiiU bashing lately.
And I'm not Nintendo fanboy, I just remember all those "PC gaming is dead" articles
And we all know how correct those were

Hint: braaaaaaaains

 

[Racecarlock]

Who is going to make games aimed at kids if nintendo dies? No, really. Who?

Almost every AAA developer out there right now that isn't under nintendo's wing is making M rated games. If it's not a massive sandbox game, it's either some gritty fuckin' zombie shooter with crafting because minecraft had crafting and therefore every game every must now feature crafting for no reason or it's a military shooter. And while I don't hate those genres, I still like games like Donkey Kong and Banjo and Metroid (Didn't have mario as a kid. Or pokemon except for pokemon snap and the TV show). Who is going to make those kinds of games if nintendo goes under?

I'm just saying I don't see many good kid friendly games coming to the Xbox One or 360 or PS3 or PS4. Maybe rayman? I don't know. But if nintendo dies, what's going to stop the industry from turning into a sequel machine for zombie shooters, regular shooters, and heavy rain?

What defines a 'game aimed at kids'? While you are at it, mind making a list of these first party Nintendo games that are 'aimed' at kids and why you think that they are 'kid's games'. The bold part is especially important as it ties back to what a 'kid's game' actually is.

I look forward to your answer

Games with a deliberate cartoony art style and simple mechanics designed so that kids can easily pick them up and play. Pokemon, donkey kong 64, super mario, banjo kazooie, you know, those kinds of games. Kirby's one also.

 

[Something Amyss]

Isn't it an indicator that stuff like Call of Duty have become childish?

Become? Was there ever really a time when blood, guns and tits weren't juvenile obsessions? The M tag has always been good at attracting kids and if I remember the time before the ESRB gained a foothold well, the lack of an M tag didn't stop us.

Then again, my mom was the one who bought me Doom because she figured I knew the difference between the real world and shooting monster spawn from Hell on Mars.

Nintendo was always safe and colorful, traditionally stereotypically childish, and if that dies then so does the idea of what is for a kid and whats for an adult. If the little M rating on the box means nothing, then everything is suddenly childish


That makes absolutely no sense. Just because there's no market specifically for kids doesn't make all games games for kids.

If kids become synonymous with every "mature" game out there like GTA or COD, it means that gaming would have effectively degraded in its societal standing even with increased acceptance.

What do you mean "if?" I reject the premise, therefore have trouble with the conclusion.

 

[Racecarlock]

Who is going to make games aimed at kids if nintendo dies? No, really. Who?

Who cares?

I mean, if Nintendo were to die (which I doubt it will), wouldn't that be a strong indicator there isn't a market for games aimed at kids?

Who cares? Let's start with every nintendo fan. Hell, let's get narrower. Every pokemon fan. Who is going to make games for them? Who is going to make colorful platformers with deliberate happy cartoon styles like donkey kong or mario?

I simply do not see why games should exclusively be aimed at fans of Spec Ops The Line and the Walking Dead. Games should have a wider color spectrum than dull grey/brown and nihilistic black. I mean, yeah, every game ever made could be a mature experience with serious consequences to every choice you make, but what about people who desire something more colorful and lighthearted? Something they don't have to take as seriously? Something simple?

 

[Something Amyss]

Who cares? Let's start with every nintendo fan.

The people not numerous to support the system,. let alone an entire market. Check.

Hell, let's get narrower. Every pokemon fan. Who is going to make games for them? Who is going to make colorful platformers with deliberate happy cartoon styles like donkey kong or mario?

In your hypothetical world where Nintendo goes under? Nobody, but then they apparently weren't enough to float Nintendo.

Seriously, when did video games become a charity busienss where we need to prop everything up because otherwise it'd be a disaster? I meanb, I know it did: used games, Kickstarters, and the "think of the children" support for Nintendo, but when?

I simply do not see why games should exclusively be aimed at fans of Spec Ops The Line and the Walking Dead.

Is anyone saying that? Didn't think so.

Games should have a wider color spectrum than dull grey/brown and nihilistic black.

If there's a market for them. If people stop buying Nintendo games for long enough to put them out of business, that would indicate there is no market. And honestly, maybe we will reach that point, considering Mario is no longer a huge console mover. But if we do, isn't that a sign that people don't want/don't care about these games?

I mean, yeah, every game ever made could be a mature experience with serious consequences to every choice you make, but what about people who desire something more colorful and lighthearted? Something they don't have to take as seriously? Something simple?

That's a false dichotomy, though. Your choices aren't Grimdark or Nintendo.

 

[Xman490]

Stupid rumor mills, stop making me question the sensibilities of game developers/publishers! Of course, the "Fusion" is likely nothing but a consideration, and too much has been put into Wii U Watch Dogs for it to be scrapped.

But jeez, these articles are scaring me.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

and WHOOPS! It's still listed on the Gamestop Italy website:

http://playeressence.com/gamestop-italy-is-still-take-pre-orders-on-watch-dogs-for-wii-u/

I think it's about time we need to stop jumping to conclusions and wait a bit before actually talking about stuff like this. People are just so quick to jump the gun

Looks like it's time for major gaming journalism sites to learn about another aspect of journalism: the concept of a "retraction".

I'm tired of gaming websites reporting false news, and then backpedaling on "well it was just a rumor" whenever they print something that's blatantly false. It's time to insist that gaming journalism sites start posting formal retractions whenever they falsely report the "news".

Perhaps some journalists just want to watch the world burn.

Especially in January. It's quite cold in January.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

This stupid rumor could have been avoided if people just opened the Watch Dogs webpage and looked at the platform list which includes the WiiU.

But that would be bad because we wouldn't have this click bait and circlejerk about how bad the WiiU is.

Also why do people expect sales numbers from games to be in millions for the WiiU version when the bloody system has a userbase of 4-5 million last time I checked?

When looking at the percentage, the WiiU has a decent adoption rate for many 3rd party games. But don't expect the numbers to be huge, especially considering how butchered pretty much every port is. Lacking features, worse performance than on the weaker, last gen consoles, no additional content like on other consoles, delayed release dates... It's like the publisher actually want you to get the game on another system.

If you take into account the fact that many Nintendo fans are also part of the PC master race, it's obvious that they will rather buy the game on the PC than the butchered late port on the WiiU.
As much as people like to hate Nintendo and the fans, they should also look at it from the other perspective. Would you buy the game if you can get a better version of it on another system which you have? The 3rd party isn't doing Nintendo a favor by releasing bad ports. In fact, they are just making the situation worse.

 

[ThePuzzldPirate]

I would go one step further and said that the WiiU itself, is already cancelled as well.

Ho ho ho. So Fanny. That's ridiculous. There is no way they're just going to pull a Dreamcast and just up and say "we give up, we're done."

That's nice... but...

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/131517-Rumor-Nintendo-Fusion-Is-Nintendos-New-Next-Gen-System

Personally, I would get the shovel and start looking for that spot where Atari buried those ETs, there will be a lot of WiiUs to keep them company soon.

You seriously taking that rumor completely straight faced? It doesn't even take a PC expert to look at those and call it out as bull shit. No one would build hardware that orthodox. I'm still under the impression that Shokio made those up(remember, anonymous source) to see how many so called gaming "Journalist" would post them as news.

XD

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

This stupid rumor could have been avoided if people just opened the Watch Dogs webpage and looked at the platform list which includes the WiiU.

But that would be bad because we wouldn't have this click bait and circlejerk about how bad the WiiU is.

Also why do people expect sales numbers from games to be in millions for the WiiU version when the bloody system has a userbase of 4-5 million last time I checked?

When looking at the percentage, the WiiU has a decent adoption rate for many 3rd party games. But don't expect the numbers to be huge, especially considering how butchered pretty much every port is. Lacking features, worse performance than on the weaker, last gen consoles, no additional content like on other consoles, delayed release dates... It's like the publisher actually want you to get the game on another system.

If you take into account the fact that many Nintendo fans are also part of the PC master race, it's obvious that they will rather buy the game on the PC than the butchered late port on the WiiU.
As much as people like to hate Nintendo and the fans, they should also look at it from the other perspective. Would you buy the game if you can get a better version of it on another system which you have? The 3rd party isn't doing Nintendo a favor by releasing bad ports. In fact, they are just making the situation worse.

That is the thing; what the HELL is up with the witch hunt? I can understand people being apathetic towards Nintendo. I can even understand frustration at times, but what is up with the sheer, vitriolic HATRED? I mean, when the 3DS had its launch issues people took EVERY chance to belittle it and use it as some kind of evidence that Nintendo was finally failing. And now with the Wii U it's the same thing, people seemingly WANTING it to fail at all costs. This stopped being about constructive criticism long, LONG ago.

That's what I'm trying to get here: the logic. What harm does the Wii U succeeding do? Is Nintendo being successful somehow evil? Does it lower gaming just by existing? What exactly is so bad about the Wii U doing well except making you buy a second system if you want to play Nintendo games? Because that does not justify this kind of behavior by a long shot

 

[Strazdas]

Soooo Watchdogs will be on WiiU. which means it can run on WiiU hardware. which means its not going to be even half of what is advertised. which means the only game i was waiting for can be scrached off the list.
Sigh.

To be frank I hope WD fails just so it bites Ubisoft in the ass, they were once at Nintendo's side at the start and then out of nowhere left them out to dry.

So you hope Ubisoft fails because nintendo has messed up?

Who is going to make games aimed at kids if nintendo dies? No, really. Who?

there are plenty of android/iOS developers that do that.
As far as other people making sandboxes and the like, i dont see whats wrong with kids playing a sandbox game.

What harm does the Wii U succeeding do?

a very old and weak hardware has many limitations. If said hardware is popular, many games in order to release on it will have to be made small enough to run on said hardware. Which means smaller areas, weaker AI, less simulation, ect.
There is also the problem of motion controls being totally unfit for the type of games that are most popular in gaming industry. Thus their popularity will lead to more Steel Battalions and less Far Cry 3s

 

[Strazdas]

Soooo Watchdogs will be on WiiU. which means it can run on WiiU hardware. which means its not going to be even half of what is advertised. which means the only game i was waiting for can be scrached off the list.

Judging a game that hasn't been released based on the hardware of one of the consoles it'll be released on.

....I have no punchline here, I think the ridiculousness of that statement speaks for itself.

So your saying they are going to recode whole game for each system to use the extra power meaningfully? That would be a first. What is historically true is that judging the game by the slwoest system it comes out to is the reasonable assumtion because the other versions are usually only graphical enchantments.

Uh, Steel Battalion came from the Xbox 360, which boasted the second strongest hardware of its generation (and was arguably the easiest platform to develop for, too). So....what sort of nonsensical argument are you trying to make here? That Steel Battalion failed because of the bad Kinect hardware? That's part of the problem, but Steel Battalion was a failure on numerous levels. Even if the hardware had worked half as good as it was supposed to, it still would've been a shitty game. Motion controls themselves do not make a game fail, bad developers make a game fail.

Also, the quality of Far Cry 3 has almost nothing to do with the hardware of the systems it is on. So again, this argument is nonsense.

Steel battalion came for Xbox, a highly dated hardware, which calling strong may only have been true in 2005-2006. It clearly was not the easierst one to develop for if the developers developed games for PC and then downscaled it for PowerPC (xbox system). Sure, compared to Cell processing or the ridiculous Wii hardware it was much easier, but just because your opponent fucks up does not give you a free pass).
Steel battalion failed because it has used motion controls for a game type that does not work with motion controls. sure there were many reasons it didnt work for, but it was a popular example of why nto every game can work on motion controls.

Do tell what quality o Far Cry 3 was no dependant on hardware. Yes there are some things like writting, but other things, like the ability of tigers to assault enemy camps is very much dependant on hardware - the AI needs to have enouh power to simulate that. The reason the enemy AI was mostly abosultely crap on most shooters was because the console hardware is severely outdated and cant run AI properly (not enough power).