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This might also depend on what statistics are being used.

Total living in the USA might be one way to do it, but it could also be measured by annual entry. Illegals might have much higher turnover than legals, so although the population at any one time is lower than legal, there might be more entering (and leaving) each year.
 

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Haven't they kinda already? I've never been on tiktok, but I remember people saying it got a lot more conservative right after the ban was (not) enforced. And considering the ban came about and was constantly brought up due to tiktok allowing pro-Palestinian sentiments to run free, and no longer hearing DC going ape over that I can only guess something was done behind closed doors about that as well.

Again, almost completely unfamiliar with the site, but I have noticed a shift in how people talk about it since the start of 2025.
Wouldn't that be because its completely in China's interest to keep the wildly inept and self destructive Trump in office? Trump crippling the US with domestic instability and especially blowing up all its alliances for literally no gain can only benefit China in the long run.
 

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Wouldn't that be because its completely in China's interest to keep the wildly inept and self destructive Trump in office?
Not really.

China likes tarrif free trade and predictable policies.

Things being bad for the US does not automatically make them good for China.
 

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It seems the Republican puppy killer had to go to the hospital for an emergency. What did her newest puppy fight back this time?

Things being bad for the US does not automatically make them good for China.
Perhaps not automatically. But Trump torching any alliance and credibility the US might have had is a gift for China. As well as Trump trying to legalize and legitimize Putin's land theft which will in turn do the same for China's ambitions for Taiwan.

Sure, on the short term tarifs aren't fun, but America dismanteling its own empire and the world order that kept it at the top are serious long term boons.
 

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maybe it's depression, having no sense of humour, feelings or soul left whatsoever, but the usual crowd laughter in these subjects feels only more Verhovenian as time grinds by

china is not interested in the downfall of countries their economy and production are heavily dependent on, plz do not take patriotic narratives at face value there's little less trustworthy than jingoistic interpretations of other nations - that thinking is what leads to weather balloons being shot down by multi billion dolla jets firing multi million dolla missiles as the whole media ecosystem pearl clutches about not being rabidly violent enough at shadows
 
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Not really.

China likes tarrif free trade and predictable policies.

Things being bad for the US does not automatically make them good for China.
Things being bad for the US may not automatically make them good for China, but this is a scenario in which it is incredibly advantageous for China. China's strategic interest is in an economically and politically isolated US, so it has a free hand to develop and move into rapidly-developing economic southern markets -- South America, Africa, the Middle East, and southern/southeastern Asia. Dedollarization is a linchpin of China's strategy, and the US declaring economic war on itself on every conceivable front does nothing if not incentivize those selfsame countries to liquidate dollar reserves, and start holding and trading in yuan. A sudden dollar glut in the vein of tens or hundreds of billions re-entering the global currency market is an economic shock the US cannot survive with its current fiscal and monetary policies, and that's exactly where we're headed right now thanks to the uncertainty around Trump's stupid-ass tariffs.

Where are LDC's going to go for aid now that USAID and other humanitarian programs have been all but ended? In which country's currency is that aid going to be, and where are those countries going to spend that currency for development programs? What a lot of folks are missing is that, like the Marshall plan, US global humanitarian aid props up the US economy -- that aid goes out in dollars and domestically-produced and -purchased commodities, and in the form of US-educated experts sent abroad, and what does go back out tends to come right back to us for commodities, goods, and services. The only other country with the economic capacity to rival the US in global humanitarian aid is China -- the EU used to be number two, but in the last couple years China has massively ramped up what was already a rapidly-growing humanitarian aid mission.

In other words, it may take a decade or so to play out, but Trump handed the next century of global hegemony to China on a gilded plate.
 

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as amercan as apple pie, or so the saying goes assuming if I look it up it's not gonna turn out to be stolen off genocided indigenous peoples or other brutally mistreated minorites too
 
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Who else?


People may not like the idea of a respecting a body of laws, as there are always exceptions that favor the wrong people, but general speaking one can’t help but think how much more smoothly society would function if they were followed by all.
 

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if anyone missed it Ron desantis says you're allowed to run over protestors and Florida police will kill you (if you're a protestor)

found the waste fraud and abuse it's each and every molecule of oxygen desantis breathes to sustain his ghoulish existence

a weirdly relaxing voice contrast for covering far fight/white supremacist crimes, helps take the edge off at times;
With vehicular attacks on protests on the rise and elected officials encouraging the tactic, old conspiracy theories about one vehicular attack in particular are circulating once again. This is the story of what actually happened on Fourth Street in downtown Charlottesville on August 12, 2017.

Sources:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/06/08/us/la-immigration-protests-photos-map.html

https://files.integrityfirstforamer...llon-hopper-deposition-as-played-at-trial.pdf

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/12/us/politics/florida-desantis-protests-warning.html

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6168921/sines-v-kessler/

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/7299259/united-states-v-fields/
 

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Did you catch the bit where I showed they aren't a majority of that group by any stretch of the imagination?

People may not like the idea of a respecting a body of laws, as there are always exceptions that favor the wrong people, but general speaking one can’t help but think how much more smoothly society would function if they were followed by all.
Now that very much depends on the law. If all were followed, and always had been, a lot more of us would be living under feudal kings or robber barons. And the US wouldn't exist.

In a stable and just society, the law has to meet people more than halfway, and allow them the framework to live a reasonably good life. But that's not what we have here. The situations that have pushed people to leave their countries of origin-- conflict, repression, and economic turmoil-- often have the muddy fingerprints of the USA or the European empires on them. And the legal routes to resettle are plainly inadequate.

Then we have the simple fact that a lot of undocumented immigrants pay their taxes, don't commit crimes any more than naturalised citizens, and just live their lives and contribute to their communities. Society would also be a lot smoother if people all did that. But ICE doesn't let them.
 

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Now that very much depends on the law. If all were followed, and always had been, a lot more of us would be living under feudal kings or robber barons. And the US wouldn't exist.
Technically robber barons also wouldn't exist. And i am not sure (a system based mostly around interporsonal connections) would arise from such a law-centered society. There also would be a lack of any need to enforce laws and probably a lack of structures that do so (aside from clearing up misunderstandings)

As for the qualities of the laws... who knows ? Maybe people would be more careful writing them or make sure there are mechansisms to overturn them when "disregarding the law" can't happen ?

It is an interesting thoght experiment very far removed from any current or historic society.
 

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It seems the Republican puppy killer had to go to the hospital for an emergency. What did her newest puppy fight back this time?
Plastic surgery complication, maybe.

People may not like the idea of a respecting a body of laws, as there are always exceptions that favor the wrong people, but general speaking one can’t help but think how much more smoothly society would function if they were followed by all.
You might feel that way, but unfortunately you live in a country where the citizenry voted in a criminal who made his contempt for the law explicit so that makes you the minority.
 
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I barons also wouldn't exist.
Much of what robber barons did, and how they operated, was within the law of their lands. That's just how much leeway the central authority gave them. We tend to call them 'robber' not because they infringed law but because they abused devolved legal authority to exploit people.

And i am not sure (a system based mostly around interporsonal connections) would arise from such a law-centered society. There also would be a lack of any need to enforce laws and probably a lack of structures that do so (aside from clearing up misunderstandings)
The systems based around interpersonal connections-- inheritance, primogeniture, even early monarchy itself-- tend to have their origins in pre-law, pre-centralised-authority society. So all else being equal, they would have still arisen. Then when central authority and law arose centuries later, we're hypothesising they were always rigidly adhered to.

As for the qualities of the laws... who knows ? Maybe people would be more careful writing them or make sure there are mechansisms to overturn them when "disregarding the law" can't happen ?
I expect it would be quite the opposite. In our reality, repressive laws have often only softened or compromised in the face of enormous pressure-- including noncompliance and lawbreaking. Without that pressure, what would prompt the repressive powers to relinquish that power? A democratic vote could potentially do so, but a lot of countries wouldn't have democracy in the first place without lawbreaking to begin with. That leaves us with the goodwill of dictators.
 

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People may not like the idea of a respecting a body of laws, as there are always exceptions that favor the wrong people, but general speaking one can’t help but think how much more smoothly society would function if they were followed by all.
Slavery was once legal in the United States. Lawbreakers went and freed slaves. I guess those laws should have been followed by all so that things would have run more smoothly.
 

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in these trying times, there's still hope this is annoying as fuck


Hi. Today we're looking at U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the agency that Donald Trump is using to do his Mass Deportations Now. We look at where they came from, why they're allowed to wear masks, and the movement to stop them from taking over American cities.
 

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How I think this will turn out in reality:

MAGA: "We never wanted this."
Trump blabbers something
MAGA: "We've always wanted this."

Though I agree with MAGA that Trump needs to stick to the US.
 

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How I think this will turn out in reality:

MAGA: "We never wanted this."
Trump blabbers something
MAGA: "We've always wanted this."

Though I agree with MAGA that Trump needs to stick to the US.
Can they make up their minds. Last time after years of pretending to put importance in peace they found it glorious when Trump used Bush era talking points to advocate joining the war in Gaza, or use the night of the US to steal Greenland and Canada. But now they’re isolationist again?