Why do you hate MS? They haven't done anything wrong. No-one else has problems with charging for DLC, and most of the people who buy the stuff don't have any problem. Sure, it would be nice if it was free, but that's not how things work. It's not Microsoft's fault that Valve has delayed the update, barely given out any information to their customers and then basically lied to them. If you're going to hate anyone, hate Valve.C0nn0r666 said:
I'm defending MS because they've done nothing wrong. People hate them for the sake of it, they just jump on the bandwagon. If you hate MS so much, why have you bought their console? Peopl bang on about how they're money-grabbing, but they forget the fact that MS is a business, they're in this to make money, they're no more greedy than any other business.C0nn0r666 said:
I believe the term is 'scapegoat', old bean. I'd say you were right generally, but I'm not entirely convinced about the portrayal of the unshiftable status quo. I'm pretty certain that as such a popular developer, Valve has the resources to force free content or find some way to bypass it (selling it for a ludicrously low price, for example). I personally suspect the reason is closer to Valve's complete deadline incompetence than MS or Valve umming and ahing about how much it's going to cost, though I don't doubt that is a factor.Rusty Bucket said:
Ahhh, that's the word i was going for, thanks. They did manage to get the L4D Survival pack through for free, but i'm not sure if they could do it again, and probably not with something far less popular than L4D. I was going to mention Vavle's incompetence, but anytime i do on these forums someone tries to eat me. Actually, one of my biggest problems is the whole 'Valve time' thing. People think it's funny, and it is for a bit, but then it kind of gets annoying when they can't release anything on time.Singing Gremlin said:
You can make that argument, yes, but the argument that Microsofts way of dealing with DLC is very much different and counter-productive to Valves way of releasing it is also another. These people aren't just labeling Microsoft as being money grabbing and jumping on the band wagon, many people here are making perfectly valid points. You are now the one labeling people, ignoring the points have been made throughout this thread. You have to remember that people have different opinions to yourself, and granted the OP didnt exactly make a good point don't go blaming everything on Valve just because you love Microsoft (that goes both ways).Rusty Bucket said:
Microsoft ironic name for a nerd imo.Rusty Bucket said:
When Valve released L4D, they told Microsoft it was an incomplete game and thus they were just patching in what was already planned, not adding new content. TF2 was a complete game, and now Microsoft wants to charge for the updates. I also have nothing to defend that damned "Valve time", but it pisses me off that the same people who complain about Valve time, are the ones complaining about L4D2.Rusty Bucket said:
