Vegan Superiority complex

[staika]

When I first saw this thread I thought it said "Vegetta superiority complex" that would have made this thread much more interesting.

OT: Over the great vastness of the internet there are people I like to call "Douchebags" and these people like to flame people for reasons none of us can understand and the douchebags you met just happened to be vegans.

 

[Mr Pantomime]

-snip-

Well the term isnt vegetarian or vegan, its douchebag. Being a vegetarian/vegan is simply an outlet for it. Anyone whos trying to shove their belief down your throat is a dick, doesnt matter what they believe in.

So dont take it out on the vegetarians, thats just stereotyping based on a small, stupid demographic. And that would make you a douche as well.

 

[DevilWithaHalo]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

 

[let's rock]

I will say it again like I have said to every vegan I know, If we kill no animals, they make more babies, the population grows, they eat all their food, then die out. So eigther we kill animals, or they go almost of compleatly exteenct, dying a slow painful starvation death

 

[spartan231490]

So I recently made a thread http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.304899-Im-a-terrible-person-sortof?page=1 and got a lot of hate from vegetarian people because I killed an animal. Getting called a terrible person for it doesn't bother me honestly I've heard worse but the fact that these select few vegetarians thought that they were better only for the fact that they don't kill animals is ridiculous. To get a few things straight
1. I know the difference between vegan and vegetarianism
2. I'm not saying every vegetarian thinks that they're better than everyone else
3. I'm not saying every person in that forum was a jerk about being a vegetarian and that some just didn't like that I killed a random animal.
But this is something that I have noticed not just on the Escapist but everywhere. Just because you decide to not eat meat doesn't make me a bad person. Animals eat animals all the time and it's a pretty normal thing. Overall it's unhealthy to do because the Human body needs more protein than what can be provided in nuts. If it's your choice to do that then it's fine but remember you aren't any better than anyone else just because you choose not to eat animals.
*rant over*

Well said. The only issue is that you can get enough protein from a vegetarian or even vegan diet, it's just more difficult. Although, to be fair, I'm not sure if any plant matter really has the complex proteins that the human body really needs, that you find in meat. My problem with that whole train of thought is that not eating meat doesn't really save animals. If demand for meat goes down, farmers just raise fewer animals, those animals that get raised are still slaughtered, so you're not saving animals, you're preventing them from being born. If you manage to convince everyone on the planet not to eat meat, then most species of animals that we eat would go extinct. Many livestock have been domesticated for so long that they can't go back into the wild. So, not only would you not save any animals and actually doom several species, you would also put many hard-working farmers out of a job. You monster.

Further, a lot of vegetarians claim that livestock are treated horribly and live in horrible conditions. Compared to what? Cuz in the wild, they are constantly living with the fear of being eaten by something, and their deaths are almost always, except if they would be killed by a competent hunter, long, slow, and horrifically painful. Not to mention times of famine that cause them to starve to death. So, compared to that, I'd say that not having quite as much room as they would like, is a relatively small complaint. I'd say pretty much anything is a small complaint.

Also, I just don't care. They are animals. Myself, and the farmers whose jobs would be lost if vegetarians had their way, are people. Therefore, I rate our comfort and happiness, and health as a higher priority than the animals lives. If you don't believe that and don't eat meat, more power to you, I'm not going to claim that you aren't entitled to the choice of whether to eat meat or not. I'm not going to claim that I have some godlike ability to judge the value of other human beings.

 

[Mr. Google]

BTW what I meant by "is a lesser choice" I don't mean it is a bad choice as much as an easier path that requires less of you, as ment in really not a bad or offencive way, I am truly sorry if I did offend you though.

I eat meat because
1. the obvious reason it was how I was brought up
2. I see no reason to give up meat because though it may suck for the animals they aren't really sentient so it doesn't bother me.
3. I like meat and feel that I would get bored of only eating non-meats and
4. It's an expensive and unnecessary way for me to live. If you feel like your life is better because of it then congrats to you. I on the other hand wouldn't.
And to add when I make a thread about disliking people who are jerks about being a vegan and then you say the lesser choice thing in a poorly worded way to make it seem like I'm a lesser person expect me to take offense. Now that we've cleared it up I forgive you because...well I have way more important things in my life than hating every person whose ever ticked me off a little bit.

 

[Danial]

The main diffrence between a Meat eater and a Veggy/Vegan is that Meat eaters don't fucking mention it every 10 seconds.

Actual;y, i'll let Mr Anthony Bourdain explane.

 

[captain_dalan]

You will often find that the kind of vegetarian who goes out of his way to find an argument about vegetarianism online isnt exactly your average vegetarian, theyre the kind of person that goes out of their way to find something that makes them angry so they can valliantly fight against it and feel better about it afterwards.

I am a vegetarian, I dont feel superior for it. We have differing opinions regarding animal welfare, I personally find the needless killing of an animal (as described in your post) quite offensive, but so the fuck what? Im not going to change your mind by ranting at you on the internet, no more than if we start throwing each others releigious views in each others faces.

By all means I will debate the matter where appropriate, but at the end of the day its just differing opinions.

Basically, dont just base your opinio of vegetarians on the attention-seeking minority, just in the same way that a sensible person knows that athiests are not all the millitant "ban religion!" type.

EDIT: oh, and vegetarianis/veganism is not unhealthy if done CORRECTLY. yes a lot of people are stupid and end up unhealhy, but anyone who is actually wanting to do this properly will at least have a basic sense of health and nutrition.

i am mostly live and let live, but i get seriously annoyed when people refuse to breastfeed their babies

 

[spartan231490]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Well said. A plant is no less alive than an animal. and recent studies have shown that they release chemicals in response to being damaged very similar to the hormones an animal releases when it's in pain. Life must consume life to live, it's very simple. All life exists by destroying other life. Even plants like trees survive by fighting over sunlight and nutrients, essentially starving out any plants that can't get enough of either. Trees stretch out their branches with murderous intent to kill anything beneath them. Many conifer trees take it one step further, decreasing the PH of the soil under them to a level intolerable to most plants. What any individual kills to eat is up to them.
Personally, I draw the line at sentience. Anything below that is fair game to cultivate and eat, anything above should be left to it's own devices as much as possible. Animals aren't sentient ergo, I eat them.

 

[Ampersand]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

hello mood swings, there's another one.

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.
Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

 

[Sud0_x]

So I recently made a thread http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.304899-Im-a-terrible-person-sortof?page=1 and got a lot of hate from vegetarian people because I killed an animal. Getting called a terrible person for it doesn't bother me honestly I've heard worse but the fact that these select few vegetarians thought that they were better only for the fact that they don't kill animals is ridiculous. To get a few things straight
1. I know the difference between vegan and vegetarianism
2. I'm not saying every vegetarian thinks that they're better than everyone else
3. I'm not saying every person in that forum was a jerk about being a vegetarian and that some just didn't like that I killed a random animal.
But this is something that I have noticed not just on the Escapist but everywhere. Just because you decide to not eat meat doesn't make me a bad person. Animals eat animals all the time and it's a pretty normal thing. Overall it's unhealthy to do because the Human body needs more protein than what can be provided in nuts. If it's your choice to do that then it's fine but remember you aren't any better than anyone else just because you choose not to eat animals.
*rant over*

On topic:
I've got vegan mates who certainly don't have a superiority complex
(I know you said you weren't making a generalisation, I'm just sayin')

I dunno what to tell you, some people just don't like seeing/hearing about a defenseless animal suffering like that.

I read that thread of yours earlier and you, yourself, were queasy at the little bunny's pain.
People are always going to say stuff and whatnot and blah blah blah, seriously, don't take it so hard mate.

On your rabbit problem:
Maybe take other people's suggestions and find some other way to deter them, whether it be putting up an impassable barrier or whatever.
(I know they'll dig under a fence but lay down a sheet of iron or something just under the surface at the perimeter and BAM! youshallnotpass.jpg)

I love meat and I couldn't kill an animal, there are a lot of people who would take issue with that but I won't lose sleep over it.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

Hmm, what was that? Sorry, I'm having trouble hearing reason with all this pretentious bullshit being thrown around. Don't condemn a person for their lifestyle vegans. Excuse me while I go eat a box of Kentucky Fried Chicken.

If you need vitamin supplements to your diet, you're doing it wrong.

Anybody else notice that 98% of all vegans live in a city?
Go figure.

As I live on a farm where we sell vegetables as part of my brother's job, I agree with you, and I'll just repost this from the other thread.

The whole lot of you condemning the guy for shooting the rabbit: shut your fucking faces. Rabbits are pests. They breed like crazy, destroy crops, and can attract predators. Vegetarians who think that it is immoral to shoot a pest, grow your own fucking crops. If I don't look after my vegetables, then you can grow your own shit, because you're just trying to survive. Oh, now doesn't that sound familiar?

If I'm not allowed to protect my source of income that happens to be your only food source, then you only have yourself to blame for not letting me deal with the pests. You want your veggies? Let me do my goddamn job the way I see fit. I don't want weasels or ferrets or wolves or any other rabbit and chicken eating predator on my farm. Rabbits need to learn that this is my property, it is not theirs, it is not their food, it is not their right. If they are too stupid to clear off after being shot at, it's their own fault.

The guy already feels terrible, and now you're telling him he is terrible because he chose the best response in the situation. He dealt with it as best he could, but no, he's an evil person because he let the cute wittle bunny wunny die.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

Double Post

 

[Aspergo]

The first thing to know is, there are Vegans that do that cuz of their ethnical choice and those who do it "cuz its rad and different" - the angry Vegans are mostly from the second group, while the first one wont be dicks until you are to them, since they feel comfortable and assured in their choice, unlike the group that does it "cuz its cool".
People usualy bash at Vegans, bringing up the death of infants that occured due to their Parents feeding em Tofu and Apple juice instead of Meat and Milk - but these are plain Idiots and Idiots are to be found in any Subculture, so basching at whole Subculture for it is plain stupid.
I never had problems with Vegans/vegetarians and mostly had a nice time with them, since we avoided bringing up any conversation bout our Diets. Surely, Humans are Omnivores and neglecting a Part of our diet is against our instincts and natural presidposition, but Humans always liked to defy that ;3

 

[fenrizz]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

hello mood swings, there's another one.

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.
Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

Since when is eating meat cruel?

When I hunt, I take care so that my first shoot kills the animal I am hunting.
How on earth is that cruel?

 

[Ampersand]

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Which one? Psychovegephilia?

Incidentally:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

All food involves dead animals, even organic farming kills insects.

There are close to 7 billion people on earth, if we're going to produce enough resources for all of them there are going to be accidents which is shit,(human lives are lost as well, why didn't you mention those?). However needless killing is still wrong.

 

[Ampersand]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

hello mood swings, there's another one.

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.
Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

Since when is eating meat cruel?

When I hunt, I take care so that my first shoot kills the animal I am hunting.
How on earth is that cruel?

Dude, seriously? If you're that well trained with a rifle you could kill a man without him even knowing he's been shot, I mean as long as you find someone who's kind of a loner and doesn't have many friends it's open season, right?
Yes taking a life needlessly is cruel.

 

[fenrizz]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

hello mood swings, there's another one.

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.
Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

Since when is eating meat cruel?

When I hunt, I take care so that my first shoot kills the animal I am hunting.
How on earth is that cruel?

Dude, seriously? If you're that well trained with a rifle you could kill a man without him even knowing he's been shot, I mean as long as you find someone who's kind of a loner and doesn't have many friends it's open season, right?
Yes taking a life needlessly is cruel.

Actually I am required by law to be 100% certain that the first shot will kill the animal I am hunting.
If I am not, I don't take the shot.

And what does any of this have to do with murdering people?
Are you implying that it is the same to kill and animal and a human?

And I don't take the life of an animal needlessly, I intend to eat it.

 

[Kinokohatake]

While it's certainly annoying to have someone claim the moral high ground for a completely subjective and arbitrary reason, it's hardly restricted to vegans/vegetarians. Anybody that wants to be smug will find a reason to do so, usually by gravitating towards a practice that they believe makes them superior to others; the result is supremely twattish people adopting vegan practices, as opposed to a normal person becoming vegan and adopting a twattish attitude as a result.

This is also very evident in religion, as well. Your average believer will usually just be a normal person that has accepted a certain explanation for life's big questions so they can focus on more productive things; they won't tell you that you're going to hell if they see you eating meat on Friday, or see you violating some other harmless tenet of their religion, because religion doesn't intrinsically transform people into twats. Now, the assholes you see picketing a soldier's funeral, or standing on a college campus shouting that all non-believers will burn in the flames of hell? They weren't nice, polite people before they heard a sermon that convinced them that the world must be purged of heretics... they were always twats, and when given an excuse to gush their twattiness all over the place (the right to religious expression, in this example), they took it and ran with it, twatting it up for all it was worth, using "their cause" as a shield against criticism for twattiness and tarnishing its reputation severely in the process.

Basically, your grievance seems to be with a particular excuse that some twats use to be openly twattish, as opposed to the twats themselves. A paradigm shift may be in order, here.

This is the smartest thing I've ever heard anyone say ever. Seriously! I agree with this so hard it hurts. I dated a vegetarian, and she wasn't a super ***** about it. One of my friends is a vegetarian but isn't a super ***** about it. I have an atheist friend who is a super ***** about it. The funny thing is, if any of these people switched their stances, they would still be the same person. My friends who aren't super bitches would still not be super bitches and the super ***** atheist would become a psychotic holy roller.

Captcha - axes, indsmall (Axes, in this mall) STOP TELLING ME TO GO ON AN AX KILLING SPREE!