Vegan Superiority complex

[Grospoliner]

1) Anyone who acts superior or self-righteous over "not eating meat" or "not using products containing animals, can go f-k their self since there isn't a single damn object that doesn't use animal products and not a single human who has never consumed another previously living creature. They are not instantly endowed with the right to criticize another human being for natural behavior. Life exists because of competition, conflict, and consumption of weaker dumber species. Bacteria kill and consume other bacteria, plants invade the habitats of other plants, herbivores devour plants, carnivores devour herbivores, and viruses prey upon the greater multi-celled organisms. That's the way life works, and treating any living organism differently, plant or animal, is childish. All food should be revered and appreciated for its sacrifice.

2) If you (general) feel no remorse at killing another animal then that is your problem alone. I would consider it pitiable if you (general) feel little compassion for any other species and only on that would I criticize you (general).

3) I personally have never killed an animal. I have wounded some with bb guns, chasing them off for being general annoyances (crop destruction, home destruction, things along those lines) but personally I would never kill an animal unless I planned to clean and cook it, and only when I had no other option. I abhor death to the extent that I will go out of my way to ensure an animal doesn't die needlessly or uselessly.

I have however born witness to the death of animals, deaths who were, at the least, partly my responsibility. They are unfortunate events that I would, given the chance, have spared myself from.

 

[Asti]

Aw dear, what's it with the stereotypes today?

Anyway, I know lots of Vegetarians who don't make a fuss over it. I mean, the rabbit-killing was a bit harsh but my brother once had to kill a fox by breaking its spine because he ran it over and it didn't die from the impact. (But you should have tried to find a repellant or a dog/cat or something...)

Personally, I eat meat only once in a while (I think you call it "Weekday-Vegetrainism") because most of the time, the life of a creature is more precious than my luxury. Meat should be considered a luxury and contrary to popular belief, it was for a long time and even is today in hunter-gatherer-societies. A hunt is something very exhausting if you don't have firearms and when you're already rather hungry, nuts, grains and vegetables make for a more secure source of energy. Therefore meat should be something that should be eaten with a lot of respect and on special occasions.

I'm not against eating animals, I'm against industrially raising them. The human body doesn't need (and in fact can't really handle) the amount of meat the average person in any western country consumes.

 

[HandsomeJack]

Way to twist words there buttercup.

An argument against eating meat twisted into an illegal act of forced sex, yep I see a similarity ..... oh wait...

Now does your comment make my argument look weak or does it make you look like a sick jackass for thinking it up.

Swings and roundabouts my friend.

See I aimed my post to be a bit light hearted and you twist it in your little perverse mind. Seek help, seek it soon.

Are the two comparable? No, not really, rape is far worse than killing animals. Was my example applying the exact same logic as yours to a different topic? Absolutely. The point of my post was that the argument you were using simply didn't work, and since you've not managed to come up with any rebuttal other than ad hominem I'll assume that you agree.

By the way, I mentioned rape because it's one of the few things that very nearly nobody supports and even fewer people will admit to supporting - I considered murder instead, but decided against it on a whim.

I.E. you made a strawman that you can easily beat up.

Your argument is -the- definition of a strawman argument.

Sqeek wasnt making a strawman argument, squeek was showing that the squence of logic used could be used by Rawne to validate any action without any merit other than selfish induldgence. Rawne's points had to intellectual merit, however, I am fairly certain that Rawne was not playing it strait-faced, but going for the LOLs. If any argument was a strawman it would have been Rawne's, as it was set up with outragious assertion and no susbstance. Whether Rawne did this because they supports veganism/vegetarianism and is trying to make the argument of meat-eating seem shallow or if Rawne did this as a meat-eater mocking this whole debate is uncertain to me.

I am a happy omnivore, as intended. I am the brother of a very self-rightious vegetarian who had to walk away with her tail between her legs because she tried to impose a vegan diet on her children (Both under the age of 5 at the time) and was admonished by a doctor who told her it was extremely unhealthy for children so young. She now raises her own chickens for eggs and buys dairy to supplement thier (and her) diet. Whenever the kids are around me they merrily enjoy whatever meat I enjoy while in thier company (thier choice, they have options).

All vegetarians I know (all 7 + 3 "recovering vegetarians" who have since become omnivores again) did so for moral reasons, but justified it to others by citing health benefits (which to me is intellectually dishonest, to do for one reason, but use another reason to justify).

The truth is that beef and pountry are very healthy for you if they were raised and fed properly. Look at the Masai in Africa, almost a total diet derived from cattle and they do not have cholesterole or blood pressure issues. This is because thier beef is grazed and not fed corn (which cows are allergic to, but given drugs to make them tollerate it) as well as well exercised. Poultry that is grazed and eats mostly worms/insects/etc. is likewise very good for you.

If you are vegetarian/vegan for moral reasons, please dont impose your morals on others the same way bad practices of other moral backgrounds do (Westboro Baptist Church, I am looking at you), it wins over no hearts and does no good to your cause. If you are vegetarian/vegan for health reasons (one of my girlfriends cousins is, she has so many allergies that meat quite literally will kill her if she eats much of it) then please realize the options that may exist for you so that you may make fully informed decisions (if you want to stay vegetarian/vegan anyway more power and respect too you for it).

This choice is most like religion, it is personal, noone has a place to tell you your answer is "wrong", and if you let it be your justification for acting like an asshole to others than be prepared to be attacked for them and dont come crying to momma.

 

[Ampersand]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

hello mood swings, there's another one.

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.
Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

Since when is eating meat cruel?

When I hunt, I take care so that my first shoot kills the animal I am hunting.
How on earth is that cruel?

Dude, seriously? If you're that well trained with a rifle you could kill a man without him even knowing he's been shot, I mean as long as you find someone who's kind of a loner and doesn't have many friends it's open season, right?
Yes taking a life needlessly is cruel.

That's pretty much a straw man argument. I don't want anything to get killed but realistically accidents happen. That doesn't mean it's ok to kill things on purpose. I wont swerve my car into another one to avoid hitting a mouse that's on the road but i'd be a prick to actually go looking for ones to squash..... unless there was a massive pest control problem I guess...pests that were only vulnerable to cars. this thought has gotten away from me.

 

[Roybot]

Simple question: why can't we choose to eat each other, even if we're consenting? Did you know that technically is how vegans could eat meat, or use animal byproduct? By having the animal accept the terms of the exchange, the vegan way hasn't been broken.

I'm vegetarian (it would take some extreme discipline to ever be vegan)for moral reasons, but I don't feel it morally reprehensible for someone to eat meat. It's not like THEY were the ones who killed the animal, and if the animal or them had the chance to make things right for the family of the animal, then I'm pretty sure most of the people I associate with would. There is a balance to this world, and some of that comes from the balanced consumption of assets, some of those being other lives. My only concern with "hardcore" meat eaters, is what's the deal with cannibalism? We're animals, we serve almost the same biological purpose, and use the same biological constructs to run our daily lives as the mammalia, birds, and fish we eat.

What's the difference?

 

[Ampersand]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

hello mood swings, there's another one.

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.
Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

Since when is eating meat cruel?

When I hunt, I take care so that my first shoot kills the animal I am hunting.
How on earth is that cruel?

Dude, seriously? If you're that well trained with a rifle you could kill a man without him even knowing he's been shot, I mean as long as you find someone who's kind of a loner and doesn't have many friends it's open season, right?
Yes taking a life needlessly is cruel.

Actually I am required by law to be 100% certain that the first shot will kill the animal I am hunting.
If I am not, I don't take the shot.

And what does any of this have to do with murdering people?
Are you implying that it is the same to kill and animal and a human?

And I don't take the life of an animal needlessly, I intend to eat it.

I would put the life of a human well above the life of an animal in terms of my priorities. I'd kill an animal if it tried to kill me and I'd probably kill one to feed my family if there was absolutely no other food available. However you don't need to eat an animal to survive, unless you're currently lost in the wilderness with nothing but your rifle and a lap-top. You can feed yourself very well without having to hurt anything.
Why do people act as though that's such an unreasonable thing to say?

 

[Ampersand]

Well morality is subjective isn't it. If he does something that I don't do because I think it's morally objectionable(at the best of times) then obviously I'm gonna think i'm a better person then he is.

No I've never needed any kind of supplement, and neither have any of the vegetarians I know (who ,i've said before, are all very fit people.) so I don't really know where that assumption comes from.

So basically when confronted with being politely asked to explain yourself you pull out "because I say so!" excuse?

Actually I corrected a misconception about my lifestyle and I explained my moral stand point in a calm and polite manner after being called a bigot for no reason beyond saying that it's not alright to hurt animals.
Of course I can see that i've hurt your feelings by not instantly conforming to your lifestyle.... so sorry I guess : /

 

[Togs]

Actually I corrected a misconception about my lifestyle and I explained my moral stand point in a calm and polite manner after being called a bigot for no reason beyond saying that it's not alright to hurt animals.
Of course I can see that i've hurt your feelings by not instantly conforming to your lifestyle.... so sorry I guess : /

My feelings are decidedly unhurt, I was commenting on the quality of your reasoning.

No i'm better then you because I choose not to kill animals. Deal with it.

And yes you are a bigot, this sentence is all the proof required.

Attempting to lord over people based on some imagined superiority is the widely used definition of the term.

For my counter- death is a part of life and a part of nature, animals kill each other for food and the human race is no different.
We have evolved over millenia to require meat in our diets- you may attempt to retort here with "but I know veggies who are perfectly healthy!"- the fact is they maybe so but they are not as healthy as a meat eater at a similar level of fitness, eat as many pulses as you need you are still missing out on a number of vital trace chemicals that can only be found in meat, meat protein itself is of a superior quality to vegetable protein- its faster metabolised and utilised within the human body.
This something I have learnt after a half decade spent in scientific academia- if you so require I will hunt down the data that proves what im saying, although it may take me a few hours to remember where the journal articles are stored.

EDIT= And on a further note the first aspect of health to be compromised is normally the immune system, whilst your reported level of fitness may inoculate mildly against illness it is common for vegetarians to bexcome infected much quicker.

 

[Ickorus]

You mean vegetarians and vegans actually managed to muster up enough energy to form an argument?

I personally love the whole "ahhh can't eat meat it's wrong" argument.

We've been doing it since man picked up his first beat stick and took it to the face of a big lizard to get steak for the family BBQ.

And lets face it folks, if eating animals was so wrong they wouldn't taste so right.

To be fair to vegetarians and vegans we don't actually need to eat meat anymore since we do indeed have adequate substitutes now.

That said there really isn't a reason why we should stop it, meat tastes good and naturally gives us all the nutrients we need, not doing so is like flipping off mother nature.

 

[Ampersand]

Actually I corrected a misconception about my lifestyle and I explained my moral stand point in a calm and polite manner after being called a bigot for no reason beyond saying that it's not alright to hurt animals.
Of course I can see that i've hurt your feelings by not instantly conforming to your lifestyle.... so sorry I guess : /

My feelings are decidedly unhurt, I was commenting on the quality of your reasoning.

No i'm better then you because I choose not to kill animals. Deal with it.

And yes you are a bigot, this sentence is all the proof required.

Attempting to lord over people based on some imagined superiority is the widely used definition of the term.

For my counter- death is a part of life and a part of nature, animals kill each other for food and the human race is no different.
We have evolved over millenia to require meat in our diets- you may attempt to retort here with "but I know veggies who are perfectly healthy!"- the fact is they maybe so but they are not as healthy as a meat eater at a similar level of fitness, eat as many pulses as you need you are still missing out on a number of vital trace chemicals that can only be found in meat, meat protein itself is of a superior quality to vegetable protein- its faster metabolised and utilised within the human body.
This something I have learnt after a half decade spent in scientific academia- if you so require I will hunt down the data that proves what im saying, although it may take me a few hours to remember where the journal articles are stored.

EDIT= And on a further note the first aspect of health to be compromised is normally the immune system, whilst your reported level of fitness may inoculate mildly against illness it is common for vegetarians to bexcome infected much quicker.

Your argument is that hypothetically I might be marginally stronger if i'd been eating meat all my life, so that make it alright?
That's really weak man.(no pun intended)
It's also untrue, I actually know this from experience.
Also it really saddens me that I've had to address this so many times today but the whole " it's fine to kill other animals because some animals do it to" argument doesn't make any sense. There are lots of things animals do that it's not alright for humans to do. Humans aren't wolves, we aren't acting on instinct, we can actually control how we behave, I don't understand why you would insult your own intelligence by implying that you can't.

 

[fundayz]

If a person is vegan to avoid the environmental damage that producing meat causes, then they ARE better. They are giving up meat, something I could never do, in order to lessen their environmental impact.

However if a person is vegan because "Oh no! The poor animals" then they need a reality check. Raising animals and killing animals is not unethical, it's cruel, but that is how nature works.

We do not have a moral duty to prevent animal suffering essential for our natural existence.

 

[fundayz]

Also it really saddens me that I've had to address this so many times today but the whole " it's fine to kill other animals because some animals do it to" argument doesn't make any sense. There are lots of things animals do that it's not alright for humans to do. Humans aren't wolves, we aren't acting on instinct, we can actually control how we behave, I don't understand why you would insult your own intelligence by implying that you can't.

It's not that we can't change our behaviour, it's that we do not have a moral duty to prevent animal suffering essential to our natural existence.

You are not better than anybody else just because you take up a self-imposed morality.

 

[Togs]

Your argument is that hypothetically I might be marginally stronger if i'd been eating meat all my life, so that make it alright?
That's really weak man.(no pun intended)
It's also untrue, I actually know this from experience.
Also it really saddens me that I've had to address this so many times today but the whole " it's fine to kill other animals because some animals do it to" argument doesn't make any sense. There are lots of things animals do that it's not alright for humans to do. Humans aren't wolves, we aren't acting on instinct, we can actually control how we behave, I don't understand why you would insult your own intelligence by implying that you can't.

I didnt say stronger I said healthier, and if you purport to know better then the scientists who have investigated it forgive me if I think you arrogant.

And yes humans for the most part act on instinct, emotion is itself an instinctive thing- why does being able to control our instincts make any difference?

However if a person is vegan because "Oh no! The poor animals" then they need a reality check. Raising animals and killing animals is not unethical, it's cruel, but that is how nature works.

We do not have a moral duty to prevent animal suffering essential for our natural existence.

Well said.

 

[klasbo]

I'm a vegetarian, and let me help you by telling you that we're not all idiots:

The reasons I'm a vegetarian:
1) Animals are farmed in the conditions that are similar to the last few seconds that were experienced by that rabbit of yours, but for their entire lives. Not a fan of this.
2) Not eating meat contributes more to not completely wrecking the environment than giving up your car. Very much a fan of this.
3) Less than 10% of the energy given to the animal (aka what the animal eats) is converted into body mass at all, and then only 40% of the animal is used as food for the table. It's terribly inefficient, and we could feed at least 10bn people if we cut meat consumption to a once-a-week Sunday affair, such as it was only 60-70 years ago.

In Norway we're pretty damn good with animal rights, but I still try to get my dairy products and eggs from local, open-air and organic farms (organic farms have even stricter animal rights rules).

So basically, "think of the planet and the people", rather than "think of the cute animals".

 

[Roybot]

We do not have a moral duty to prevent animal suffering essential for our natural existence.

In that respect then, we hold on responsibility to the nature around us which sustains that life as well? Of course we do. You want to know why? It affects us too. The reciprocity should be there with nature because that balance is what keeps us alive before our need for meat does. If we don't have enough animals dying on their own in the woods, we don't have enough fungus nitrogen-fixing the soil, which then means we don't have the means to keep the trees that give us oxygen.

This is not an affront to people who eat meat, but don't try and make eating me some moral high ground. Eating in itself shouldn't even have any moral implications unless you're being gluttonous or have something to prove with what you're eating. It's a means of living, and if it takes you having to hunt your food, engineer alternatives, or anything in between that's your business. I don't think anyone should try and superimpose their beliefs or ideals on other people unless it is solicited.

 

[ShindoL Shill]

I can't be bothered to read the rest of the posts, but from what I understand is that you were killing those poor defenseless bunny rabbit because they were destroying your yard. they probably think it's a stupid reason to kill, I do as well (and I'm not vegetarian). aren't there repellents for critters, last time I checked peppermint extract works well at deterring them. It's not the superiority, it's the fact you were killing bunny rabbis with an underpowered gun that just caused tat one a whole crapload of pain.

edit: I read the first page and a half so I didn't just read the op and make complete and total assumptions


ps, sorry if this post isn't coherent, it's 2:30 and I can't sleep.

from what i understand, he was using an underpowered gun so it wouldnt deal more damage than needed, and the rabbit was in pain because the OPs brother only wounded it.
OT: i hate anyone who thinks like that. 'i do this so im better than you' and you had a pest problem, you dealt with it and they shouldnt complain.

 

[fundayz]

We do not have a moral duty to prevent animal suffering essential for our natural existence.

In that respect then, we hold on responsibility to the nature around us which sustains that life as well? Of course we do. You want to know why? It affects us too. The reciprocity should be there with nature because that balance is what keeps us alive before our need for meat does. If we don't have enough animals dying on their own in the woods, we don't have enough fungus nitrogen-fixing the soil, which then means we don't have the means to keep the trees that give us oxygen.

/facepalm

First of all, our food comes from farms and factories, not the wild. The animals we kill are not part of the natural ecosystem.

We already do (or at least try to) protect our environment and ecosystems with hunting regulations, fishing regulations, wilderness protection progress, etc.

Meat production DOES affect the environment but not in the means you propose. Energy and water consumption and pollution are the real problems with meat production. Trying to overcome these issues by getting people not to eat meat is not only futile but also irresponsibly inefficient; instead we must focus on innovative, sustainable design of our livestock facilities.

This is not an affront to people who eat meat, but don't try and make eating me some moral high ground. Eating in itself shouldn't even have any moral implications unless you're being gluttonous or have something to prove with what you're eating. It's a means of living, and if it takes you having to hunt your food, engineer alternatives, or anything in between that's your business. I don't think anyone should try and superimpose their beliefs or ideals on other people unless it is solicited.

What are you talking about? Exactly how did I portray meat eating as a moral high ground? That's right, I didn't. All I did was point out that "Not eating meat to avoid animals" is not a valid argument from a moral standpoint.

Superimpose their beliefs on other people is EXACTLY what "holier-than-thou" Vegans do whenever the subject comes up. I have no problem with people being vegans, or even thinking that it's wrong to kill animals for food(even though it's not); I have a HUGE problem when they judge others based on their own, self-imposed moral standards.

 

[DevilWithaHalo]

hello mood swings, there's another one.

Wow, that post just went right over your head didn?t it?

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.

Let me explain the fundamental issue you seem to glossing over? pain is merely the sensory perception of damage. Regardless of whether or not they can perceive the damage, the damage is still caused. If you rip a carrot from the ground, it will die, plain and simple. If your issue is truly just an issue of perception, then you should have no issues with the humane cultivation of any life form for sustenance. IE; ?If they can?t express their feelings about what I?m doing, it?s OK!? In that case, I plan to consume you when your brain dead; which you should be fine with.

I won?t disagree with irritations towards animal cruelty; any amounts of it are unfortunate. BUT, you CANNOT, with a strait face, tell me that because I eat meat I am SUPPORTING ANIMAL CRUELTY. Saying that to my face will get you a broken nose. It?s a stupid, unfounded, misguided, ill informed, thoughtless, incorrect, atrocious and downright retarded thing to say.

Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

Much more thought than I?m sure you?ve ever put into it. You?re entire argument is as follows; ?Hurting things is wrong, getting meat hurts animals, I don?t want to hurt animals, so I don?t eat meat.? Do you really need me to point out all the problems with this reasoning? Would you even bother trying to understand if I did?

I was sent to farms when I was younger. I?ve done it all. Yet I find no moral pretense that would lead me to believe I?m ethically in the wrong for doing something I am BIOLOGICALLY designed to do.

If you really are fighting the good fight, doing NOTHING but NOT supporting the meat industry is about the most PASSIVE thing you can do to solve the problem. I know, I?m going to stop all drinking and driving by not getting a drivers liscence! Brilliant isn?t it? My stellar, ethical and outstanding shining example of virtue will no doubt change the world!

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

Wow? really? Nothing quite like showing me exactly what you?re position is. Life must be able to reach my level of intellectual standards and prove to me they can feel pain for me to give a shit right? And still equating the consumption of meat with animal cruelty; THAT? IS? FUCKING? STUPID.

But no, let?s go ahead and use your "logic" then. You support the destruction of forestry. Why? Because you eat plants. You only care about animals larger than a cat. Why? Because you support the death of thousands of insects, gophers, mice, rats, moles and any other animal that gets killed during the process of harvesting crops. You also support the death of humans. Why? Because your inactively not supporting an industry that has the ability to feed more people at a cheaper cost then you vegan/vegetarian requirements. So unless you?d like to support; forest destruction, animal death and human death, you can stop using such idiotic reasoning to justify your moral superiority to meat eaters.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

hello mood swings, there's another one.

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.
Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

Since when is eating meat cruel?

When I hunt, I take care so that my first shoot kills the animal I am hunting.
How on earth is that cruel?

Dude, seriously? If you're that well trained with a rifle you could kill a man without him even knowing he's been shot, I mean as long as you find someone who's kind of a loner and doesn't have many friends it's open season, right?
Yes taking a life needlessly is cruel.

Actually I am required by law to be 100% certain that the first shot will kill the animal I am hunting.
If I am not, I don't take the shot.

And what does any of this have to do with murdering people?
Are you implying that it is the same to kill and animal and a human?

And I don't take the life of an animal needlessly, I intend to eat it.

I would put the life of a human well above the life of an animal in terms of my priorities. I'd kill an animal if it tried to kill me and I'd probably kill one to feed my family if there was absolutely no other food available. However you don't need to eat an animal to survive, unless you're currently lost in the wilderness with nothing but your rifle and a lap-top. You can feed yourself very well without having to hurt anything.
Why do people act as though that's such an unreasonable thing to say?

Yes, it is. Animals eat animals, this isn't new. We wouldn't find them so tasty and have teeth that can chew meat if we weren't meant to eat them. Why should I have to avoid fast food, the meat section at the market, and other things just because you don't feel it is right? I have easy access to meat, I find meat tasty ergo I buy and eat meat.

 

[Instinct Blues]

Theres nothing wrong with being a vegan/vegetarian or being a person who eats meat. The problem arises when vegans/vegetarians get up on their high horse and start preaching about the evils of eating meat. I get that animals live in horrible conditions on some farms and are cramped into small spaces. There are farms that overfeed animals so they get so fat they can't move, but I'm not going to stop eating meat. The reason is because animals don't have a sense of their own mortality, they don't have little animal families, and they don't have human thoughts.

I think that is what some vegans/vegetarians do they put human thoughts into the mind of an animal that isn't capable of such thought. Then they go on to say how horrible it would be if we were in the same position and yeah it would be because we have a lot more to offer the world than just being food. I'm sorry if that sounds cruel, but when a cow can start going to cow school and learn about something that isn't eating and sleeping, maybe then I'll start to feel bad for the poor cows. Its not like they have jobs or families to provide for and they were kidnapped and slaughtered. They were born to be food and thats their purpose on earth.