Veganism and you: would you ever want make that choice?

[Jory]

Have no problem with Vegetarians (in fact I'm dating one) unless they have a problem with me. I will eat sausages, get over it.

 

[ostro-whiskey]

Those things arent Natural among Humans because we have developed thought processes and tribal society, the oldest civilization building discoveries were that of Agriculture and Animal Husbandry. They allowed for people to settle and create a society, instead of expending all their energy on Hunting and Gathering. So no, once again you are incorrect, the use of animals for our benefit is one of the major factors in Humanities advancement.

Can you say anything that isn't a logical fallacy?

History, animal behavior, and status quo do not negate the needless pain and suffering that factory farms perpetuate. Just because you claim it was a necessity thousands of years ago doesn't mean it's a necessity here and now. That's nonsense, plain and simple.

That was in reference to your claim that eating meat doesnt advance Humanity. It was key in the advancement of civilization, so through that logic, you are in no position to claim it is not needed now.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Those things arent Natural among Humans because we have developed thought processes and tribal society, the oldest civilization building discoveries were that of Agriculture and Animal Husbandry. They allowed for people to settle and create a society, instead of expending all their energy on Hunting and Gathering. So no, once again you are incorrect, the use of animals for our benefit is one of the major factors in Humanities advancement.

Can you say anything that isn't a logical fallacy?

History, animal behavior, and status quo do not negate the needless pain and suffering that factory farms perpetuate. Just because you claim it was a necessity thousands of years ago doesn't mean it's a necessity here and now. That's nonsense, plain and simple.

That was in reference to your claim that eating meat doesnt advance Humanity. It was key in the advancement of civilization, so through that logic, you are in no position to claim it is not needed now.

Saying "through your logic" doesn't denote any comprehension of logic. Explain how the mass consumption of meat currently "advances humanity."

Because, really, it's little more than mass suffering for the sake of our self-indulgence. Doesn't seem like "advancement" to me.

 

[ostro-whiskey]

Those things arent Natural among Humans because we have developed thought processes and tribal society, the oldest civilization building discoveries were that of Agriculture and Animal Husbandry. They allowed for people to settle and create a society, instead of expending all their energy on Hunting and Gathering. So no, once again you are incorrect, the use of animals for our benefit is one of the major factors in Humanities advancement.

Can you say anything that isn't a logical fallacy?

History, animal behavior, and status quo do not negate the needless pain and suffering that factory farms perpetuate. Just because you claim it was a necessity thousands of years ago doesn't mean it's a necessity here and now. That's nonsense, plain and simple.

That was in reference to your claim that eating meat doesnt advance Humanity. It was key in the advancement of civilization, so through that logic, you are in no position to claim it is not needed now.

Saying "through your logic" doesn't denote any comprehension of logic. Explain how the mass consumption of meat currently "advances humanity."

Because, really, it's little more than mass suffering for the sake of our self-indulgence. Doesn't seem like "advancement" to me.

Well it is no shocking news that people eat too much meat, but the mere fact that humanity has always eaten meat should be enough for you to know that you are in no place to try and claim that they do not need it, otherwise Im sure other people would have come to this conclusion. Also pointing out my crappy english doesnt vex me, how many languages do you speak ey smartass ?

I do not condone the way in which livestock are industrialized in those tiny cages, presuming that jamie Oliver doco I saw was accurate. But I am certainly not going to claim that people should not eat meat as a result.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Those things arent Natural among Humans because we have developed thought processes and tribal society, the oldest civilization building discoveries were that of Agriculture and Animal Husbandry. They allowed for people to settle and create a society, instead of expending all their energy on Hunting and Gathering. So no, once again you are incorrect, the use of animals for our benefit is one of the major factors in Humanities advancement.

Can you say anything that isn't a logical fallacy?

History, animal behavior, and status quo do not negate the needless pain and suffering that factory farms perpetuate. Just because you claim it was a necessity thousands of years ago doesn't mean it's a necessity here and now. That's nonsense, plain and simple.

That was in reference to your claim that eating meat doesnt advance Humanity. It was key in the advancement of civilization, so through that logic, you are in no position to claim it is not needed now.

Saying "through your logic" doesn't denote any comprehension of logic. Explain how the mass consumption of meat currently "advances humanity."

Because, really, it's little more than mass suffering for the sake of our self-indulgence. Doesn't seem like "advancement" to me.

Well it is no shocking news that people eat too much meat, but the mere fact that humanity has always eaten meat should be enough for you to know that you are in no place to try and claim that they do not need it, otherwise Im sure other people would have come to this conclusion. Also pointing out my crappy english doesnt vex me, how many languages do you speak ey smartass ?

I do not condone the way in which livestock are industrialized in those tiny cages, presuming that jamie Oliver doco I saw was accurate. But I am certainly not going to claim that people should not eat meat as a result.

1. I didn't mock your use of language. I did not mean to give that impression. There's no need to be defensive.
2. We don't need to eat meat - living vegans are proof of that. Not every culture is centered around meat. Look at India, as an example. Much of Indian food is vegan.
3. You did not explain how meat continues to "advance humanity."

 

[SextusMaximus]

I don't care if people want to be veggies, tough luck for them. But you can tell them to sod off from me if they are shunning your lifestyle. Get a dead pig and stick a knife up it's arse in front of them.

 

[Toaster Hunter]

If someone wants to not eat meat, that's their own decision and I respect that, just don't criticize my decision to eat meat.

 

[MoganFreeman]

I enjoy eating healthy on a regular basis, so no, I will not be converting to veganism anytime soon.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Vegetarianism and Veganism are an evolutionary step backwards. Our ancestors didn't suddenly develop intelligence because they kept eating fruits and berries. They started eating termites, carrion, fish, small birds and the more meat htey consumed the more their brains developed.
Killing virtually every other species for food doesn't just prove your dominance on the planet, it makes you smarter.

As an evolutionary biologist and a strict non-vegetarian, you are now my hero, as you are absolutely right.

I could go on for days about why vegetarianism/veganism is the worst idea ever, however, I'll just post a link for instructions on what you can do if they push their views on you:

Sponsor a Vegetarian
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor

You sir, win the internet.

 

[IckleMissMayhem]

Would you ever do it?

No, it's un-natural, and therefore wrong.
Having said that, I do buy only free-range eggs, dolphin-friendly fish etc...

 

[GBlair88]

If you want to only eat vegetables then fine, that's your choice. Just don't be all 'holier-than-thou' when you see someone eating meat because that is their choice.

Eating nothing but vegetables won't make you live forever and despite what some vegetarians might think, humans are quite capable of eating meat.

Note: I'm not being hypocritical, if you want to be vegetarian that's fine by me (even though you didn't ask for my approval).

 

[ostro-whiskey]

Those things arent Natural among Humans because we have developed thought processes and tribal society, the oldest civilization building discoveries were that of Agriculture and Animal Husbandry. They allowed for people to settle and create a society, instead of expending all their energy on Hunting and Gathering. So no, once again you are incorrect, the use of animals for our benefit is one of the major factors in Humanities advancement.

Can you say anything that isn't a logical fallacy?

History, animal behavior, and status quo do not negate the needless pain and suffering that factory farms perpetuate. Just because you claim it was a necessity thousands of years ago doesn't mean it's a necessity here and now. That's nonsense, plain and simple.

That was in reference to your claim that eating meat doesnt advance Humanity. It was key in the advancement of civilization, so through that logic, you are in no position to claim it is not needed now.

Saying "through your logic" doesn't denote any comprehension of logic. Explain how the mass consumption of meat currently "advances humanity."

Because, really, it's little more than mass suffering for the sake of our self-indulgence. Doesn't seem like "advancement" to me.

Well it is no shocking news that people eat too much meat, but the mere fact that humanity has always eaten meat should be enough for you to know that you are in no place to try and claim that they do not need it, otherwise Im sure other people would have come to this conclusion. Also pointing out my crappy english doesnt vex me, how many languages do you speak ey smartass ?

I do not condone the way in which livestock are industrialized in those tiny cages, presuming that jamie Oliver doco I saw was accurate. But I am certainly not going to claim that people should not eat meat as a result.

1. I didn't mock your use of language. I did not mean to give that impression. There's no need to be defensive.
2. We don't need to eat meat - living vegans are proof of that. Not every culture is centered around meat. Look at India, as an example. Much of Indian food is vegan.
3. You did not explain how meat continues to "advance humanity."

That is because no one knows this, which is the same reason why you vegans and vegetarians cant conclusively prove that people do not need meat. A few individuals deciding to make the lifestyle choice is one thing, but the long term effects are unknown. I was simply basing my opinion on Humanities advancement and diet thus far throughout its history, and as such, it has proved successfull, so I do not see a benefit in changing it.

 

[brtshstel]

No, it's un-natural, and therefore wrong.
Having said that, I do buy only free-range eggs, dolphin-friendly fish etc...

Well, all political reasons aside, I prefer free-range eggs because free-range chickens eat more than just corn, and that provides a tastier and more nutritious egg.

 

[Serperoth]

Never. Meat is too delishus to let go of. And leather jackets/coats just look awesome.
FRESH MEAT!

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

No, it's un-natural, and therefore wrong.
Having said that, I do buy only free-range eggs, dolphin-friendly fish etc...

Well, all political reasons aside, I prefer free-range eggs because free-range chickens eat more than just corn, and that provides a tastier and more nutritious egg.

"Free range" chickens are typically just kept in slightly larger cages, with the same inhumane treatment (crammed into cages, debeaked to prevent the cannabalism that results from cramming them into cages, wounds in feet healing over mesh floors, etc). The legal requirements for advertising a brand of eggs as "free range" doesn't mean what you'd intuitively take it to mean (running around in a pasture of grass). They can get people who'd feel bad about buying battery eggs to buy "free range" eggs and think they're not supporting the same cruel system, and get an extra buck out of it. The image of a traditional barnyard with a red roof, a grain silo, a cow, and a dozen hens, isn't where your supermarket gets its eggs. It's a constructed image.

It's similar to how McDonald's claims to sell "100% Beef" burgers, because they buy their meat from a company called 100% Beef. It's technically a true statement, but it doesn't mean what it intuitively should. It's sneaky, underhanded shit.

Factory farms gets away with a lot of this shit because they have huge financial backing, and thus huge political lobby groups.

 

[dex-dex]

I'm a pescedarian myself. I eat fish, but not meat.

I think that veganism is a step too far.

Sure you're healthy, but life is for enjoying.

The reason I don't eat meat is because it tastes horrible to me.

yeah same but fish is still meat in many people's opinion
and vegans are just too weird

but i do miss peameal bacon
aw sooo goooood

 

[escapistraptor]

Vegetarianism and Veganism are an evolutionary step backwards. Our ancestors didn't suddenly develop intelligence because they kept eating fruits and berries. They started eating termites, carrion, fish, small birds and the more meat htey consumed the more their brains developed.
Killing virtually every other species for food doesn't just prove your dominance on the planet, it makes you smarter.

As an evolutionary biologist and a strict non-vegetarian, you are now my hero, as you are absolutely right.

I could go on for days about why vegetarianism/veganism is the worst idea ever, however, I'll just post a link for instructions on what you can do if they push their views on you:

Sponsor a Vegetarian
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor

You sir, win the internet.

Just to clarify, I don't win the internet, Maddox does. Please tell me most people on the Escapist know about Maddox?

http://maddox.xmission.com/

Maybe not because I get the feeling there's a lot of high schoolers here, but Maddox was like the number one A-lister on the interwebs between 1999-2003. He rarely updates now though, but he has written a kick-ass book.

 

[CptCamoPants]

Vegetarianism and Veganism are an evolutionary step backwards. Our ancestors didn't suddenly develop intelligence because they kept eating fruits and berries. They started eating termites, carrion, fish, small birds and the more meat htey consumed the more their brains developed.
Killing virtually every other species for food doesn't just prove your dominance on the planet, it makes you smarter.

As an evolutionary biologist and a strict non-vegetarian, you are now my hero, as you are absolutely right.

I could go on for days about why vegetarianism/veganism is the worst idea ever, however, I'll just post a link for instructions on what you can do if they push their views on you:

Sponsor a Vegetarian
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor

Has anyone else ever noticed that herbivores are usually the stupidest animals? And carnivores/omnivores, AKA, the ones who have to think up strategies to use when hunting, are the smarter ones?

 

[VoidAndrogyne]

Has anyone else ever noticed that herbivores are usually the stupidest animals? And carnivores/omnivores, AKA, the ones who have to think up strategies to use when hunting, are the smarter ones?

I'm pretty sure no one's noticed and no one cares.
As we're all human it's pretty irrelevant, you don't have say, a vegetarian lion and a carnivorous lion to compare.

 

[RobCoxxy]

Salad is what food eats. So no. I've dated a vegan and that was a bit annoying.
Cue frequent quotes of:
"She's not a real vegan if she's sucked your meat."