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Vegetarianism is good for the enviroment... Actually, cutting down on meat in general is good for the enviroment... And for you health...
I'd like to see a source for the first claim. As to the second, cutting down on meat is only good for your health if you're currently eating a stupid amount of it. Too much of anything is bad for you. If you drink somewhere around 16 gallons of water in an hour, you'll die from water poisoning. Does this mean that cutting down on your water consumption is good for you? No. It just means that you shouldn't be stupid and drink 16 gallons in an hour. Eating three steaks a day will very likely lead to heart problems. However, eating meat in moderation along with the rest of the food groups is, in fact, quite healthy for you. There's a reason that meat is in the food pyramid. If you want to avoid meat and are willing to do what you need to do in order to make up for the missing nutrients, have at it. But don't make baseless claims that your diet is healthier than mine.MagnetoHydroDynamics said:
Woo! Another "Why the hate?" thread! I'm addicted to posting in these things, so bad but so good.
I don't hate vegetarianism, just -some- vegetarians who behave holier-than-thou about their choices, criticizing mine under the presumption that I could not possibly criticize theirs.
I have moments of reflection that meat eating is strange. I have no bad feelings towards people who eat horse or dog or cat, they're just doing what others do with cow and pig and sheep.
Quick hypothetical - If there were such thing as a feral human on earth which provably had nothing resembling homo sapiens intelligence, no legal protection or family capable of lawsuits, would you approve of the killing/eating of them? Would you do so yourself?
For me the answer is probably no, but meat eating in general comes naturally - it feels natural, probably because I'm descended from those who have. I have a fancy brain that tells me I can be contrary however, and I will or will not as is -my- 'right'.
I don't hate vegetarianism, just -some- vegetarians who behave holier-than-thou about their choices, criticizing mine under the presumption that I could not possibly criticize theirs.
I have moments of reflection that meat eating is strange. I have no bad feelings towards people who eat horse or dog or cat, they're just doing what others do with cow and pig and sheep.
Quick hypothetical - If there were such thing as a feral human on earth which provably had nothing resembling homo sapiens intelligence, no legal protection or family capable of lawsuits, would you approve of the killing/eating of them? Would you do so yourself?
For me the answer is probably no, but meat eating in general comes naturally - it feels natural, probably because I'm descended from those who have. I have a fancy brain that tells me I can be contrary however, and I will or will not as is -my- 'right'.
Bullshit.sms_117b said:
Soy has a lot of protein, so do nuts, beans, milk, etc.
Oh, and you don't need 40g of protein in a single meal. You know what your body does with extra protein? It goes down the toilet. Everyone these days gets way more protein than they ever need anyway. Just because you're taking in 120g of protein a day doesn't mean you need half of that.
Eating meat in moderation is healthy for you, sure, but it's still not as healthy as not having any. It's like, yeah, chocolate is fine in moderation, but not eating it at all would be even better, it is healthier, much more so. You may be perfectly healthy, but I'm even healthier.liquidmetal said:
Fact.
First off, the whole teeth argument is bullshit. I could take it the other way and say that our teeth are more friendly with other foods. And yes, we used to eat meat, that doesn't mean we should keep doing that, it's not necessary at all.sms_117b said:
I hate to be so militant about it*, but when I see people not caring about the amount of animals killed for their taste buds it totally sickens me.
*I actually quite enjoy it.
I am not a strict vegetarian as I do eat eggs but I think its the upbringing that matters when it comes to eating meat/sea food or other stuff. I don't eat meat/sea food because well, I am not used to it my whole life and coupled with a somewhat religious environment, it falls into a 'feels awkward' zone.
Having said that, I am getting closer to eating meat as to be honest, I am getting kinda tired of vegetables :/
Having said that, I am getting closer to eating meat as to be honest, I am getting kinda tired of vegetables :/
I actually love vegetarians. Watching them get all foamy at the mouth while I eat a hamburger makes for good theater.
not eating eggs is more being a vegan than a vegetarian. fundamentally i agree with vegetarians, but if they try any of that "you're killing animals" crap on me i'd have to agree and say innit awesome? cows, sheep and pigs are to be honest smelly buggers who i am quite happy to eat. Don't even get me started n chickens. they're pure 100% evil. the beady eyes and talons... shudder
Wait,If your only point is not just dietary benefit,But also animals being killed for meat, I find that strange.Shivari said:
All things are living, Every little plant,flower,and bacteria even in yeast is a living organism. Now maybe not living in the same way as humans or complex thought but they are still part of life. Unless there lives do not count because they can not voice out there objections? One reason even when I think of eating bread it feels kind of sickening, Thinking about all the bacteria you are eating ending their little microorganism lives.
I really think Jainism views on life is the best way one should live if they are really concerned with all life and not just the top layer of life.
Ok, the ideal amount of protein for a body daily is your mass in KG multiplied by 2 then divided by 1000, well when training for muscle regrowth, generally, when not training, you should be taking in 2/3's of that. I never said you need 40g in a single meal, the most your body can absorb is 30g at a time, I'm just stating chicken breast has about 40g.Shivari said:
per 100g or 250ml;
Chicken has 19g protein.
Soy milk has 10g.
Soybean 3.04g.
hemp, pumpkin and soy nuts have the largest protein content of nuts per 100g.
other statistics evade me, however your point is well seen, touche my friend.
You would really, really hate me, far as some animals are concerned their purpose is that they're bred to be eaten and nothing more, it's because of veggies that most male cow calves don't live very long and are just killed and thrown away, they used to be killed and eaten as a rather tasty delicacy, but now-a-days most people see eating young meat as wrong, seeing the farmers have little to no use for more than one or two bulls, and it's financially enviable to feed something later on you won't need, they're just killed in cold blood.Shivari said:
I'm going to be very blunt, far as I'm concerned I'm up at the top of the food chain, I love eating meat, Shark, Veal, Chicken, Turkey, Cow, Pig, Rabbit, all taste good, and are good for you, in moderation the same as everything else in this world
Don't do this Shivari, don't turn this into a Meat=Barbaric thread.Shivari said:
Spend your time elsewhere working on something that will actually make a difference (Robot Dystopia for instance ;D) because if the last thread taught me anything its that people won't be changing their views anytime soon.
Whats there to care about?Shivari said:
They're bred to die.
They have no point in life except to be SLAUGHTERED.
Plus, they taste mighty fine cooked southern style. (Which is how it always is cooked here in Georgia)
Why should I care?
All it is is some stupid bovine/pig
I don't hate vegitarians but being allergic to all forms of tasty alternate protien (Fish (I know, still technically meat but lots of Vegi's don't care about fish) and Nuts) I tend to get hostile. Hence I will tell anyone who wants to take away my meat to **** themselves with a *********. Basically to all vegitarians who want to take away my meat, I am NOT eating soy and beans for the rest of my life, fuck you.
Similarly studies have shown that Males cannot safely sustain themselves on a diet of Soy protien because of the estrogen content. It can increase our risks of various cancers because our bodies are not meant to handle that much estrogen.
Similarly studies have shown that Males cannot safely sustain themselves on a diet of Soy protien because of the estrogen content. It can increase our risks of various cancers because our bodies are not meant to handle that much estrogen.
Whats there to care about?Mr. Moose said:
Humans can be killed.
They have no point in life but eventually die.
So who cares about humans if they eventually die?
It's just some stupid Homo sapien/Human
While Mr. Moose has made an overly hostile statement to vegitarians I will say the following as an unabashed carnivore.
I do not consider animals more important than people or my own health, plain and simple. I do not mind eating a creature that has been bred to supply me with food. We must kill to eat, it is unfortunate but true. I do not feel for animals when I eat them, I do not care that I am eating muscle or blood.
I do however feel that such creatures should NOT be unduly mistreated on their way into my stomach or onto my plate. They're already being bred simply to die, it's a sad existance, and I don't want anyone to make it worse than it already is.
EDIT: I also disagree strongly with hunting, if you MUST hunt for sport, damn well eat what you kill.
I do not consider animals more important than people or my own health, plain and simple. I do not mind eating a creature that has been bred to supply me with food. We must kill to eat, it is unfortunate but true. I do not feel for animals when I eat them, I do not care that I am eating muscle or blood.
I do however feel that such creatures should NOT be unduly mistreated on their way into my stomach or onto my plate. They're already being bred simply to die, it's a sad existance, and I don't want anyone to make it worse than it already is.
EDIT: I also disagree strongly with hunting, if you MUST hunt for sport, damn well eat what you kill.
That is how I feel.PersianLlama said:
I place cows, dogs, cats, pigs, etc, on the same level of importance as Humans.
That level being the level of little importance.
In the grand scheme of things, our existence on this little blue rock floating in space is pretty unimportant.
EDIT : This does not mean I do not care for the lives of creatures.
What I was saying was in response to Shivari being 'sickened' by the lack of caring that people do about how many animals are killed for food.
I cannot bring myself to care for an animal that would die anyway.
Cattle are specifically bred to be food.
They cannot survive on their own without humans.
They cannot forage, they cannot migrate.
They cannot do anything.
When it comes to Wild animals, I will not eat them unless they are like the deer here in Georgia ( They are overpopulated)
On my view of humans.
Homo Sapien is my least favorite of the Earths creatures, and I am of the mindset that the earth would be better if we dropped our population by a few billion.