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Sometimes the simplest answer is the best one. Occam and I salute you.Gormourn post=18.69118.651235 said:
You eat Jello?Shivari post=18.69118.651076 said:
I use to date a vegetarian and she gave me a primer on the vegan culture. There are varying levels of veganism. Some do not eat any animal parts or products at all. Those are the true vegans. Ovo-vegans eat eggs, lacto-vegans eat milk based products, and lacto-ovo-vegans eat milk-products and eggs. Then there is the type that my ex-girlfriend is: a semi-vegan. She ate seafood, eggs, and drank milk. There are varying degrees of veganism.
I have nothing against vegetarians. There are many wonderful vegan cultures all over the world and you can have wonderful food and diets there.
As the main part of the crowd has mentioned before, Vegetarians themselves arent bad, being one isn't bad. However convincing/pushing/forcing others to become one aswell, or the need to proclaim themselves as 'better' for not eating meat is where it goes wrong. Add to this the very 'human' spoon of bias and ignorance and there ya go, one perfect dish of asshole, ready to be scalded by a crowd. Now I should stop making food analogies before I start eating my laptop...
So say we were good friends and then one day when you invited me over for dinner. You prepared steak, not knowing that I was a vegetarian. When I politely declined to eat it you would kick me out and never talk to me again? I'm sorry but you're being just as arrogant as the vegetarians that try to push their beliefs on people.REDH4MMER post=18.69118.651764 said:
I don't, and a true vegan wouldn't. But I'm sure there are vegetarians that would eat Jello.malestrithe post=18.69118 said:
The only problem I have with any vegetarians is if they get preachy, but then I have that problem with anyone. I got a forwarded email once from a vegetarian friend equating my eating habits with...well I can't be bothered checking it but it was very hit and miss and very much propaganda - and this from someone who'd told me point blank that they didn't preach their diet to anyone. But I felt the same burning anger at a similar kind of forward from a Christian 'friend' which equated my lack of faith with apathy and wilful disobedience to Him.
It's the preechiness, not the diet.
It's the preechiness, not the diet.
Well, Shivari I don't see that situation happening. If you were a good friend of mine you would know that I love eating, specially meat. And if you were to be invited over to my house for dinner you'd know (being a good friend of mine) that whatever meals I'd prepair would have meat in it at some point.Shivari post=18.69118.652883 said:
Probably a good 30% of conversation between my friends and I revolve around food, with likes and dislikes and where an when we should all go to eat next. I just don't see a vegetarian making it to 'Good/great' friend in a friendship relationship with me.
Maybe I am being arrogant but I don't try and push eating meat onto people. If I am introduced to someone at a party that is a vegetarian, I won't berate them or tell them they're wrong. I'll just politely excuse myself and leave them be. I don't want to socialize with them. I just couldn't be bothered with them. I wouldn't like them and they wouldn't like me. Why would I waste mine and there time? I wouldn't.
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Stumbled into this a while ago and found it quite amusing
(I don't hate vegetarians, as long as they don't push it onto me)
Stumbled into this a while ago and found it quite amusing
(I don't hate vegetarians, as long as they don't push it onto me)
What does being a vegetarian have anything to do with what someone's like as a person? I'm an atheist but if I saw someone wearing a cross necklace I won't think "They're views are different so therefore we shall never speak." Even if all of your discussions involve food at some point, they might turn you on to something you never tried before. You're being horribly close minded.REDH4MMER post=18.69118.653976 said:
wow great tricks one's mind can play on you, it doesn't smell of death and decay any more than the meat section of your local market or a butcher shop at least the one i worked in, on the kill floor no lesswewontdie11 post=18.69118.650788 said:
it smells cause well animals take large smelly dumps and generally smell from other farm stuffs, go to a farm one day, check out the smell there, it's the same at a slaughter house, tho more pungent.
leave meat out in the sun for a day or so, meaning make it go bad and start to rot, take a deep breath and then go to a local butcher and take a deep breath, see which is closer to the slaughter house smell, it will be the butcher shop
the "death and decay" you are smelling is your over active mind playing tricks on you, rancid meat smell a LOT different than freshly cut meat
Okay, as a vegetarian-friendly meat eater, I have to say that most of this thread has the intellectual and ethical maturity of a large toad. And while I would have to assume that there are some toads that are rather charming in a slimy, mildly hallucinogenic fashion, this does not speak well of you as a whole. And while others here seem to feel it to be appropriate to not make waves in the naive hope of making friends with the less utterly repugnant among you, I myself, in my never-ending bloodthirsty quest to rid the world of brainless twats, will not sit idly by and let your raging case of bloody-minded idiocy go unmocked.
First, let's address the idea that you might as well eat meat because your actions have no bearing on the killing of those animals and it will go to waste if you don't shovel at least a half pound of flesh down your slavering over-fed maw every four hours. Seriously, you're a complete idiot if you believe that. That argument has the logical content of George W. Bush's apparent economic policy, which is to say that it is an affront to brain cells around the globe. The meat industry is a massive conglomeration of businesses. Now, these businesses, like all businesses, respond to basic economic laws. Now, I know you dropped out of college because you were too busy playing WoW all day long, but in this funny class called Microeconomics, we learned about a law called Supply and Demand. So, very basically, if you want to maximize your profits, you reduce waste by not mindlessly killing twice as many cows as you need. See, that keeps you from going bankrupt for a whole number of reasons that you wouldn't really understand. Regardless, after all is said and done, by means of braindead simple economic theory, if you personally stop eating meat, fewer animals will die as a result. Arguing against this is like saying that there's no reason not to kill people because everybody dies eventually. It seems to make sense, but then you realize you're a fucking idiot.
On to the next apparent case of undiagnosed head trauma: complaining that lousy vegetarians think they're morally superior to you. Well, I hate to say it, but they are. There are any number of perfectly good ethical reasons to not eat meat, not all of which require believing that killing an animal is in any way equivalent to murder. There are two, and only two reasons for eating meat: it tastes fucking awesome, and it's an excellent source of protein. The rest is barely obscured horseshit. Eating meat requires a vastly larger ecological footprint than vegetarianism, even if you're squeezing three square meals of overprocessed meat substitute down your gullet every day. See, we have these people we call scientists. Scientists are basically just like the people who made it possible for you to sit on your privileged ass playing video games all day. These people are paid to be really smart, and they tell us that if we don't change our lifestyle to be more considerate of the planet, then the planet is going to destroy our entire world economy and none of us are going to get to sit on our asses playing video games anymore. There's a whole bunch of science to back that up, but I really don't want to confuse you with facts and numbers that don't relate to your new weapon's DPS. So yes, in fact, being a vegan is a vastly more ethical choice than lining up at your local fast food 'restaurant'. It just IS. Debating the point is just a thinly veiled attempt at not feeling inferior, which given your likely history of repeated failure is likely to be futile.
What are these asshole vegans really guilty of? Reminding you of what a festering shit you are. Christ, how could you not hate them? All smug with their know-it-all attitudes just because they actually bother to know what the fuck they're talking about. How dare they call you on your shit! Elitist bastards always looking out for the greater good. Think being well-informed makes them justified in telling you what you should do with your life.
But Uriah, wait, don't you eat meat? Yes, you're damn right I eat meat. Why? Because I'm just self-obsessed enough to feel that the pleasure I take in having a big fucking steak for dinner instead of beans and rice is more important than the moral superiority of vegetarianism. Doesn't that make me a hypocrite? No, because I'm not out there arguing ridiculous points to make myself feel better, and I actually have the balls to slaughter my own meat if I have to, to feel the warm blood running down my wrist, to watch a living, feeling organism shudder its last breath so I can have a tastier meal with more easily digested proteins. I own my meat eating, and thus I get to feel intellectually superior to all the rest of you vegetarian-hating pissants.
Thank you, and good night!
First, let's address the idea that you might as well eat meat because your actions have no bearing on the killing of those animals and it will go to waste if you don't shovel at least a half pound of flesh down your slavering over-fed maw every four hours. Seriously, you're a complete idiot if you believe that. That argument has the logical content of George W. Bush's apparent economic policy, which is to say that it is an affront to brain cells around the globe. The meat industry is a massive conglomeration of businesses. Now, these businesses, like all businesses, respond to basic economic laws. Now, I know you dropped out of college because you were too busy playing WoW all day long, but in this funny class called Microeconomics, we learned about a law called Supply and Demand. So, very basically, if you want to maximize your profits, you reduce waste by not mindlessly killing twice as many cows as you need. See, that keeps you from going bankrupt for a whole number of reasons that you wouldn't really understand. Regardless, after all is said and done, by means of braindead simple economic theory, if you personally stop eating meat, fewer animals will die as a result. Arguing against this is like saying that there's no reason not to kill people because everybody dies eventually. It seems to make sense, but then you realize you're a fucking idiot.
On to the next apparent case of undiagnosed head trauma: complaining that lousy vegetarians think they're morally superior to you. Well, I hate to say it, but they are. There are any number of perfectly good ethical reasons to not eat meat, not all of which require believing that killing an animal is in any way equivalent to murder. There are two, and only two reasons for eating meat: it tastes fucking awesome, and it's an excellent source of protein. The rest is barely obscured horseshit. Eating meat requires a vastly larger ecological footprint than vegetarianism, even if you're squeezing three square meals of overprocessed meat substitute down your gullet every day. See, we have these people we call scientists. Scientists are basically just like the people who made it possible for you to sit on your privileged ass playing video games all day. These people are paid to be really smart, and they tell us that if we don't change our lifestyle to be more considerate of the planet, then the planet is going to destroy our entire world economy and none of us are going to get to sit on our asses playing video games anymore. There's a whole bunch of science to back that up, but I really don't want to confuse you with facts and numbers that don't relate to your new weapon's DPS. So yes, in fact, being a vegan is a vastly more ethical choice than lining up at your local fast food 'restaurant'. It just IS. Debating the point is just a thinly veiled attempt at not feeling inferior, which given your likely history of repeated failure is likely to be futile.
What are these asshole vegans really guilty of? Reminding you of what a festering shit you are. Christ, how could you not hate them? All smug with their know-it-all attitudes just because they actually bother to know what the fuck they're talking about. How dare they call you on your shit! Elitist bastards always looking out for the greater good. Think being well-informed makes them justified in telling you what you should do with your life.
But Uriah, wait, don't you eat meat? Yes, you're damn right I eat meat. Why? Because I'm just self-obsessed enough to feel that the pleasure I take in having a big fucking steak for dinner instead of beans and rice is more important than the moral superiority of vegetarianism. Doesn't that make me a hypocrite? No, because I'm not out there arguing ridiculous points to make myself feel better, and I actually have the balls to slaughter my own meat if I have to, to feel the warm blood running down my wrist, to watch a living, feeling organism shudder its last breath so I can have a tastier meal with more easily digested proteins. I own my meat eating, and thus I get to feel intellectually superior to all the rest of you vegetarian-hating pissants.
Thank you, and good night!
Actually, I'm pretty sure that if one person (you said if you PERSONALLY) stopped eating meat, that somewhere in Nowhere, Wisconsin, Betsie's life wouldn't be saved because you skipped the Big Mac. Imagine the Meat Industry. Imagine your meat consumption as a bucket. Just because you stop taking water out of the ocean doesn't mean it will overflow. I learned this logic when raiding Molten Core. It's a class in WoW called Common Sense 101. Maybe they don't teach it at your 'college'.Uriahz post=18.69118.654895 said:
Secondly, munching weeds instead of eating meat is NOT, I repeat, NOT morally superior. One more time, since you seem to have your head lodged firmly up your holier-than-thou ass. MUNCHING WEEDS INSTEAD OF EATING MEAT IS NOT MORALLY SUPERIOR. Eating meat does not, as you seem to assume, release a giant cloud of carbon into the air, instantly killing the Earth. If you buy your meat from a farm, that farm does have to kill the cow, butcher it, package it, and ship it. I concede that fact. But if you buy, say, some rice, it will likely come from one of the world's largest producers of said grain, maybe Japan or China. These places also use objects that harm the environment, (*gasp*!) such as mechanical harvesters, packaging, and shipping. And chances are, your rice probably came from a lot farther then organic meat.
Thirdly, the point about scientists. Scientists, (yes, even though I play video games, I have heard of these mythical creatures) have contributed animal flatulence and other factors in animal farming to 21% of global warming, tops. I hate to break it to you, but even if we stop eating animals, good ol' Dotty over here isn't going to stop farting. Admittedly, cattle ranchers will stop raising more animals, and the percentage will drop, but it will not go POOF! and disappear. Meanwhile, there are BIGGER contributers to global warming, like, oh, I don't know, maybe burning coal, or driving cars that measure their fuel efficiency in yards, instead of miles.
But hey, as you said, none of this matters to me, because my new epic axe has a kick ASS DPS.
Finally, you, for some reason, think that "Think being well-informed makes them justified in telling you what you should do with your life." Well, I for one don't give a flying moose platoon how well - informed you are, you are NEVER justified in telling me what to do with my life.
Thanks for reading.
Maybe I've just lived an isolated childhood and thus haven't heard any decent jokes from anyone at all in the last ten years. But I actually found that funny.X3heartless post=18.69118.655064 said:
They also said years ago that we shouldn't drink out of aluminum cans because trace metals leech into the fluid and are bad for you. Instead, they said that we should use plastic bottles. Now they're saying that plastic bottles leech trace elements into the fluid and we should drink from aluminum cans. I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't be surprised if in 20 years they tell us that vitamin supplements cause cancer and that everyone should eat meat.wewontdie11 post=18.69118.650910 said: