Vegetarians

[Croaky]

Ah, what a topic.
I have been a vegetarian for about four years now, since I was eleven, So forgive me if i seem naieve or in any way a down right idiot. I have always loved the taste of meat, and agree there is no substitute for bacon or battered fish or the like, it tastes good. But, still i was actually bored one day and while eating meat i actually started to ponder what it was. It hit me as i realised it was a living thing and i was essentally eating leftovers of a dead animal and i was surprised how long it took me to realise how disgusting i found it. Now when i say disgusting, thats personal taste. I don't mind meat eaters, i don't lecture them or hate them, it's just taste. Some people like branston pickle, i do, others don't. And some people like eating the flesh of dead animals slaughtered entirley for the sake of our survival, i don't. sorry if I came on strong during my last point but thats how i feel, and others will differ.
I don't have to have a practical argument or a full proof reason, i just hate the idea of eating it and others like it, simple as.
So just get on with it and stop beating eachother about it.

 

[GyroCaptain]

Vegetarians are tasty with BBQ sauce.

Agreed.

Corn-fed vegetarians are the best you can get when they're farm-raised, but free-range and wild game vegetarians are better still.

No problems here with dietary choice vegetarians, but since when one eats with a group including vegetarians the stereotype is for them not only to state their vegetarianism but also justify it in terms of the cute fuzzy calves, the tendency is to harbor an unspoken "stfu!". The resulting passive-aggressive behavior toward vegetarians should really surprise nobody.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

Similarly studies have shown that Males cannot safely sustain themselves on a diet of Soy protien because of the estrogen content. It can increase our risks of various cancers because our bodies are not meant to handle that much estrogen.

Akuushi covered that a couple of posts above me, and all I'll say is that you're wrong and your "studies" are wrong. You'll be just fine with soy, but oh well, be stubborn.

You are correct about the studies madam, I have now done my research and realize it's a controversial topic.

Hence I will say that I am stubborn, and unwilling to simply eat nothing but soy protien. For the record I have tried vegetarian soy replacements, Soy Ground Beef replacement is fine, Soy Dogs/Luncheon meat is fine. However in terms of other meats I enjoy soy is no replacement, you can't really get Soy Prociuto, Soy Ribs or Soy Steak. As well I see no reason why I should give these up.

I realize you are passionate about the rights of animals and I respect that, but I feel life should be worth living and a life eating nothing but soy... is not one that appeals to me.

 

[Shivari]

However in terms of other meats I enjoy soy is no replacement, you can't really get Soy Prociuto, Soy Ribs or Soy Steak. As well I see no reason why I should give these up.

And I think that an animal's life is worth way more than my taste buds.

Additionally, that's the thing about veggie lifestyle, is that it doesn't reaaly provide all the nutrition a body needs.

Vegetarianism gives you everything you need, there wouldn't be any vegetarians if it didn't. So please, educate yourself on the topic.

Now whether or not they're healthy with their diet of meat only is not the issue I wished to pick up upon here. It's that nobody questioned them. To me, at least, people who eat only meat are far, far rarer than Vegans/vegetarians. Why is it then, that no one questioned their choices, and yet when vegetarianism comes up you got 32 pages of rehashed arguments yet again about our canine teeth.

There are more meat eaters, so there are a lot more people that blindly hate vegetarians. Just look at the Barbaric thread, it was all me on my side, and like 40 on the other side. The people who actually see how barbaric this person is are in the minority.

I'd probably yell at this person as much as possible. Because, of course, everyone who doesn't agree with me is just like Adolf Hitler.

So, now both sides have done the useless comparison to Hitler, we can end that discussion.

 

[Amnestic]

Then theres the fact of transportation, food production, fishing, preparing, whcih all adds to the C02 going into the environment, especially with things like trawler fishing etc.

In comparison to the transportation, food production, farm machine for sowing seeds, preparation, which all adds to the C02 going into the environment for vegetables.

Sorry, that point is as moot as could be.

But meat produce uses all those things aswell, the feed for chickens, pigs, it all has to come from somewhere. The production of a vegetarian diet it alot less harmful to the environment than a omnivore diet. A way to look at is, you feed a heard of cows enough food to sustain a bigger group of people, so really you are using up perfectly good food in order just to create more of a different kind, which coming from a purely environmental standpoint, makes no sense.

Excuse me if I'm ignorant of the subject, but I was under the impression cows eat grass, something which generally I've found to grow quite naturally.

Now whether or not they're healthy with their diet of meat only is not the issue I wished to pick up upon here. It's that nobody questioned them. To me, at least, people who eat only meat are far, far rarer than Vegans/vegetarians. Why is it then, that no one questioned their choices, and yet when vegetarianism comes up you got 32 pages of rehashed arguments yet again about our canine teeth.

There are more meat eaters, so there are a lot more people that blindly hate vegetarians. Just look at the Barbaric thread, it was all me on my side, and like 40 on the other side. The people who actually see how barbaric this person is are in the minority.

I'd probably yell at this person as much as possible. Because, of course, everyone who doesn't agree with me is just like Adolf Hitler.

So, now both sides have done the useless comparison to Hitler, we can end that discussion.

Yay Godwins?

 

[Easykill]

The problem here is that this forum is not exempt from the odd behaviour surrounding vegetarians. Some of the most intelligent, reasonable people I've ever met suddenly get crazy defensive and and illogical the instant it comes up. It's weird I tell ya!

 

[Doomar]

Then theres the fact of transportation, food production, fishing, preparing, whcih all adds to the C02 going into the environment, especially with things like trawler fishing etc.

In comparison to the transportation, food production, farm machine for sowing seeds, preparation, which all adds to the C02 going into the environment for vegetables.

Sorry, that point is as moot as could be.

But meat produce uses all those things aswell, the feed for chickens, pigs, it all has to come from somewhere. The production of a vegetarian diet it alot less harmful to the environment than a omnivore diet. A way to look at is, you feed a heard of cows enough food to sustain a bigger group of people, so really you are using up perfectly good food in order just to create more of a different kind, which coming from a purely environmental standpoint, makes no sense.

Excuse me if I'm ignorant of the subject, but I was under the impression cows eat grass, something which generally I've found to grow quite naturally.

Woopedy doo, cows eat grass, pigs dont, chickens dont, the fact cows eat grass doesnt detract from the fact they take up space that could be used for other things that are much more sustainable, besides most cows used for meat dont graze, they are given feed which has to be grown elsewhere and trasnported in.
The thing is, once cattle has been in an area, that's it, it's ruined, you cant then use the same area to grow crops etc for a long time. Cows aren't natural, no mass produced animals are natural anymore.

 

[santaandy]

Animals never kept other animals in tiny cages in which they spend their entire lives never being able to turn around. Never fed them a constant dose of antibiotics because they had put them in living conditions so filthy they'd die with out them. Never kept birds in cages with their beaks and legs chopped off.

You get your hands on an animal and kill it, by all means, eat up. Until then I don't want to hear it.

True, but neither did I. My family patronizes local organic farms where such things aren't in practice. I'm all for hunting. I hate those who mutilate and abuse animals. And as for the cage thing, what do you call your cubicle at work? What do you call an "efficiency" apartment?

 

[The Inconvenient Cookie]

As there are no ethical vegetarians here I shall act as an ambassodor for the small country of "neutral yet ethical vegetarian pacifists"

Now I have no prejeduces against meat-eaters, I don't push my veiws on other people, they eat meat, good for them I couldn't care less what they ate in all honesty. If someone makes a joke, I'll take in good jest; it's only when they start waggling their bacon sandwhiches in my face it gets enfuriating. I mean I haven't done anything against them, nor do I heavily include it in conversation, they're veiws come from the stereotype portrayed by the media. This may sound like a "can't think of someone to blame, oh look lets blame soiciety" however this is a geniune contributor to the stereotype. I mean look at the previous posts, none of them considered themselves morally higher, and neither do I and if you speak to vegetarians in real life neither do they, infact only a small proportion of us act with a "holier than thou" attitude (or maybe they are plenty and I have had the pleasure of avoiding them.)
If anything, I have been victim of preachy meat-eaters (maybe victim is too strrong a word but who cares) and they start the "Well they're still going to get slaughtered" or "They're bred to die" and I respond in the same way "I know, I think I would of stopped if I cared".
I hate saying the same thing over and over again and I wish some of you would shut up(If you haven't had any hate towards non-preachy vegetarians, please disregard the previous statement.) The non-preachy group hates these "eco-crusaders" more so than meat eaters, because we have this label which hangs over us like a sign reading "meat is murder" and it is bloody iritating.
Before I start a 50 page rant on people, I'll wrap this up into a nice bite-sized chunk (a tofu chunk hahahaha) Very few of us are preachy and we apologise for the people who are and we are with you in your hatred. This post may have just been a whine whine Q-Q post against those who have got onto me in the past, if you wish to complain please kindly talk to someone who cares.

(If theres any spelling mistakes in the post, I apologise to all you OCD grammar correcter, and I also send my deepest regrets to all of you about the tofu chunk joke, that was bad for me.)

 

[Ronin_14-47]

However in terms of other meats I enjoy soy is no replacement, you can't really get Soy Prociuto, Soy Ribs or Soy Steak. As well I see no reason why I should give these up.

And I think that an animal's life is worth way more than my taste buds.

Additionally, that's the thing about veggie lifestyle, is that it doesn't reaaly provide all the nutrition a body needs.

Vegetarianism gives you everything you need, there wouldn't be any vegetarians if it didn't. So please, educate yourself on the topic.

Now whether or not they're healthy with their diet of meat only is not the issue I wished to pick up upon here. It's that nobody questioned them. To me, at least, people who eat only meat are far, far rarer than Vegans/vegetarians. Why is it then, that no one questioned their choices, and yet when vegetarianism comes up you got 32 pages of rehashed arguments yet again about our canine teeth.

There are more meat eaters, so there are a lot more people that blindly hate vegetarians. Just look at the Barbaric thread, it was all me on my side, and like 40 on the other side. The people who actually see how barbaric this person is are in the minority.

I'd probably yell at this person as much as possible. Because, of course, everyone who doesn't agree with me is just like Adolf Hitler.

So, now both sides have done the useless comparison to Hitler, we can end that discussion.

No, no, no, YOU failed to quote me properly. I fully aknowledge the fact that a pure meat diet is not sufficiently nutritious, but neither is a pure veggie diet. Of course it is easy now for people to be vegetarian, because there's plenty of syntesized crap to replace the stuff you'd need. You don't see any vegetarian athletes, and all vegetarians I know aren't always the picture of perfect health. True, they do not tend to be overweight, though a few are, but they do tend to be a bit out of shape. Plus, I'd like to see some verified research myself. Look, what this all boils down to is is that I'm not vegetarian, I don't think it's a good Idea, it's not natural, but that's my opinion and everyone is welcome to their own, so be be a vegetarian if you want, it's your life.

PS- GET OFF IT WITH THE HITLER STUFF!!! It is quite possibly the worst argument on the face of the earth. I mean, anti-semitism, racism, anti-homosexual tendencies aside, the man was to Germany what Obama is to America. At least, in that time in German history.

 

[Ronin_14-47]

I'm sorry, so you're trying to tell me that NOT killing animals, which produce the methane that's the bane of all existence, and killing plants, which produce oxygen among other evironment friendly things, is HELPING the environment? Doesn't make much sense...

It makes perfect sense when you consider that those animals are only here because they were bred in order to be eaten. If people didn't eat meat there would be no cows, no pigs etc. or atleast not anywhere near to the billions as there are today.

Do you have any proof of this, or are we going purely on generalizations and wild speculations?

Then theres the fact of transportation, food production, fishing, preparing, whcih all adds to the C02 going into the environment, especially with things like trawler fishing etc.

In comparison to the transportation, food production, farm machine for sowing seeds, preparation, which all adds to the C02 going into the environment for vegetables.

Sorry, that point is as moot as could be.

But meat produce uses all those things aswell, the feed for chickens, pigs, it all has to come from somewhere. The production of a vegetarian diet it alot less harmful to the environment than a omnivore diet. A way to look at is, you feed a heard of cows enough food to sustain a bigger group of people, so really you are using up perfectly good food in order just to create more of a different kind, which coming from a purely environmental standpoint, makes no sense.

 

[Shivari]

No, no, no, YOU failed to quote me properly. I fully aknowledge the fact that a pure meat diet is not sufficiently nutritious, but neither is a pure veggie diet. Of course it is easy now for people to be vegetarian, because there's plenty of syntesized crap to replace the stuff you'd need. You don't see any vegetarian athletes, and all vegetarians I know aren't always the picture of perfect health. True, they do not tend to be overweight, though a few are, but they do tend to be a bit out of shape. Plus, I'd like to see some verified research myself. Look, what this all boils down to is is that I'm not vegetarian, I don't think it's a good Idea, it's not natural, but that's my opinion and everyone is welcome to their own, so be be a vegetarian if you want, it's your life.

PS- GET OFF IT WITH THE HITLER STUFF!!! It is quite possibly the worst argument on the face of the earth. I mean, anti-semitism, racism, anti-homosexual tendencies aside, the man was to Germany what Obama is to America. At least, in that time in German history.

With the Hitler thing, I was just trying to get the other people to stop arguing about whether Hitler was a veggie/for what reasons was he a veggie. Either way, it has no effect on whether vegetarianism is right or wrong. Apparently that went right over your head. Oh, and please don't assume Obama is going to be a great president before he even steps in the Oval Office. I'm cautiously optimistic and that's all you can be.

On to the real topic, you're wrong for a few reasons...

1. Appeal to Nature: Just because it "isn't natural" doesn't make it bad, and "natural" isn't synonymous with "completely right and healthy".

2. Yes there are vegetarian and vegan athletes. Carl Lewis [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOTETXwfIaY&feature=related] won 9 Olympic gold medals as a vegan. This guy [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvEH7W_w1NA&feature=related] also is a vegan and is a bodybuilder. You can eat no meat and be a great athlete, so there goes that point of your's.

 

[Colonel Joson]

I dont hate Vegetarians in general, But I do hate the ones who start yelling at people for eating meat.
I eat plenty of meat, simply becuase I just dont like vegetables. I have tried lots of them, and just cant stomach them.

So if you are a Vegetarian, Good for you Mate! Just dont yell at me for enjoying my 12oz rump.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

I don't hate vegetarians, I just don't understand it. Well, not liking meat is one thing, but not eating it because of the animals doesn't make sense. It's like environmentalists. You may not eat meat because they kill animals, but I don't care and I will. Just because one person doesn't eat it doesn't have any effect, because other people will.

A good quote: "You'll spend your life dedicated to making the world a better place. You'll die, and nothing will happen."

Think of the plants, will ya? You eat the plants, there's not enough plants to feed the animals, and then the animals starve to death. Although that's not probable, eating meat is natural selection, and we just happen to be on top.

 

[Shivari]

Just because one person doesn't eat it doesn't have any effect, because other people will.

Every vegetarian saves, on average, 83 animals from being slaughtered.

So yes, it does have an effect.