Videogames Get Blamed For Shooting Spree..Again

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AbsoluteVirtue18

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With_one_Mind said:
Almost as bad as the mother who blamed her sons suicide on Dungeons and Dragons. She said something along the lines that playing the demonic game caused her son to go into the closet and hang himself. She did not take in consideration of the harassment he was receiving at school (being bullied) and his lack of motivation due to his poor efforts of failing grade, or the parents recent divorce! Video Games is just the 'new thing' to blame because parents don't want to feel like they FAILED at raising their kid up right. And to the spokesmen for Joe Lieberman; who I know are reading this because they will do anything to put more restrictions on game (damn you ESRB), is the senator so bored of political issues that he must attack one of the biggest past times dating from the 70's when Pac-Man was the 'big thing'.

Parents listen to me, if you are going to blame someone for raping, or school shootings, or even suicide; blame yourselves. You should be in your child's life and explain that 'those thing' are wrong. Which they are. And if you are to self centered, up their on your high horse trying to have this poor excuse of a God Complex, thinking that everything you do in NOT wrong; fine, blame your child. Your child is the one who shot his students. Your child is the one who committed suicide. YOUR CHILD is the one who made those decisions and not the companies like Rockstar or Cap-com.

People please stop blaming others and take responsibility for what you could have prevented.

I play World of Warcraft, almost religiously now, and I NEVER went out with a sword and crossbow to slay people so I can get some gold.
I play Grand Theft Auto, every day, and I NEVER went to steal a car and run over people, pick up whores and shot them to get my money back.

People who do that stuff are one of two things. Delusional, and don't know what they are doing is wrong (a self mental problem). Or; Were never taught right from wrong (your fault parents/guardians and teachers).

Please stop blaming the video game companies

This man is wise. Speak the truth.
 

JRCB

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Can we form peaceful mobs outside the media outlets to solve this? Now things are getting f'n ridiculous. They might as well be blaming magical pixies (they probably could find a way to use that as a blame).
 

doctorwhofan

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Ultimatly, it's the parent's/guardian's fault. Buying/and allowing a child play a game that you have not supervised for it's content is your fault. GTA is not allowed in the house...ever. But that's me, and this is my house. If I ever caught my kid playing it, he wouldn't be sitting for a week and grounded for 6 months. That's Responsiblity people. They put warnings on the games so parents can make informed choices.

But for me, all I can say is Twisted Sister.
 

Biek

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Ive killed, mutilated, robbed, harrassed and eaten people and animals alike in videogames. But im still a nice guy IRL.
 

MoganFreeman

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Of course video games made that kid go berserk and kill people.

I mean hell, Grand Theft Auto turned me into a black, drug-pushing thug.
 

1ronJ4m

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-.- Srsly, I see this crap all over the Internet. I'm getting bored of it. Get over it, some people are just stupid, some are mad, and some want to poke u so u get angry and they can say 'Oh he's dangerous' and such. BTW, this isn't an insult, but if you try to 'explain' why are you playing all these violent Videogames, then you must be feeling some sort of guilt when you see a topic like this. Which is pretty strange- like it was a crime.
Sry for all this crap, don't get mad at me.
 

milesrose

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Lets see, what would affect a person's Psyche more? GTA 4 or Father's Suicide? The answer is quite obvious, but still, still, they are blaming the games. WTF?
 

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Lets face it. Videogames are the only reason he didin't do it any sooner.

"Like the thugs in "Grand Theft Auto" and warlocks in "World of Warcraft," Martin-Urban showed no emotion..."
I lol'd.
Who didn't laugh at that?
 

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Martin-Urban's self-imposed isolation, his retreat into obsessive gaming, his dropping out of school, the trauma of his father's suicide, and his apparent fascination with the bizarre cult video would seem to be red flags that Martin-Urban was a deeply troubled young man.

Did anyone notice what was happening/the possiblity of something happening or try to give this guy any help?
No

He holed up in a hotel room in Europe during a family vacation last summer and played the games while his mother and sister went sightseeing.
 

MindBullets

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Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

I always think of this type of controversy when I hear that verse.
 

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Umm... This guy's dad killed himself only a few months prior to the shooting - if that didn't mess with his mind slightly then I doubt Grand Theft Auto would.

It's true video games are violent, but I am getting sick of mainstream journalism demonising them and turning them into a recurring scapegoat.

Video games are not the problem here, it was the man who pulled the trigger. The vast majority of games do not send people into killing frenzies, but there are some cases where they can easily become scapegoats.

Maybe it's just our turn to be blamed for murder, and the next generation will find something else to blame - maybe this one for global warming - and then everyone will forget about the media frenzy.

Or maybe it's people who are afraid of video games that demonise them, and we have to take it on the chin anyway, because we know they are wrong.


I'm really not sure if that made any sense... I hope it did because it sounded good to me when I wrote it.
 

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1ronJ4m said:
-.- Srsly, I see this crap all over the Internet. I'm getting bored of it. Get over it, some people are just stupid, some are mad, and some want to poke u so u get angry and they can say 'Oh he's dangerous' and such. BTW, this isn't an insult, but if you try to 'explain' why are you playing all these violent Videogames, then you must be feeling some sort of guilt when you see a topic like this. Which is pretty strange- like it was a crime.
Sry for all this crap, don't get mad at me.
I play violent games so I don't have to go out and shoot people in the face.
violence is in our nature and we are all capable of killing and hurting people.
Thank god for human moral and priciples we don't but it's not hard.
But you can relay these tendencies by doing sports or playing games.

It's obvious these are scapegoat tactics. because a game cannot be responsible for anything It's an object it does not has any form of self awarenes, concience or whatever.
sure it could be that certain messages in a game can me misinterpreted by the player but then again it's not the fault of the game.

and if millions upon millions don't go out and kill people how can the game be the cause.
 

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I find it strange that usually when I read these things, they usually say that the object of the game is only to kill. Nothing else. You can do those ambulance missions in GTA and save lives. I don't think any of us would shoot people in games unless they shot first. Or if it turns your reticule red, then you should shoot it.
 

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Flour said:
DreamKing said:
Martin-Urban's self-imposed isolation, his retreat into obsessive gaming, his dropping out of school, the trauma of his father's suicide, and his apparent fascination with the bizarre cult video would seem to be red flags that Martin-Urban was a deeply troubled young man.

Did anyone notice what was happening/the possiblity of something happening or try to give this guy any help?
No

He holed up in a hotel room in Europe during a family vacation last summer and played the games while his mother and sister went sightseeing.
Shouldn't his mother and sister noticed that he preferred to play games in a hotel room in Europe rather than see the sights?
 

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It shocks me that they didn't make a connection between the shooting, and his fathers suicide, I mean that is a classic motivation for atrocious acts.
 

Khazoth

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How the fuck are the kids getting guns? My dad knew what I was thinking before I did.


Nooo.. Its not bad parenting, its video games!
 

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Rad Dragonheart said:
"Like the thugs in "Grand Theft Auto" and warlocks in "World of Warcraft," Martin-Urban showed no emotion..."
I lol'd.
I lol'd at that, and at: "One of the fanciful cars in the game ? the silver Blista ? has taillights that resemble a BMW's."
 

tsb247

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After reading that article, it would seem to me that there is no clear link between his homicidal rampage and video games. The article even states that:

A. He was in some kind of cult that believed the world would end.

B. His father had died recently; leaving him traumatized.

C. The article also hints at him being mentally disturbed for a long while before he shot at anyone.

The cause of this random act of violence was not video games, but rather an outburst by a deeply disturbed man. That is all.
 

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I remember an incident in my teenage years. I returned home from being out to discover two policemen rifling through my brother's bedroom. On enquiring with my parents WTF was going on, I was told my brother was in a police cell and the officers had served a warrant to search his room. The surreal entered at this point. My brother and I have always been interested in horror films, horror games, a little bit of sci-fi; on going through our collected horror items, the police started commenting that "deviant behaviour" had to be a given looking at the stuff "he" [my brother] was "corrupted" by. Even at 15, I knew enough to know this kind of reaction was idiocy. It seems this kind of thinking hasn't vanished and, having moved away from heavy metal music and horror videos, it's rooted itself to gaming and gamers. Politicians will use any means to elevate themselves above the rest of their ignorant herd--after all, they say, gaming cannot be a mature field. Wake up, get your d*cks out of your ears, and minds out of the 50s. This is a modern world. Gaming IS a mature art form, and yes there are adults who utilize games for leisure without being programmed into sadistic serial killers or gun-toting terminators [I'm looking at you, Germany, your "killerspiele (sp?)" nonsense is offensive to gamers who can tell the difference between a console controller and an AK-47]. Let us just hope that the continued growth of gaming into mature markets leads to a generation who see games for what they are . . . remember how rock music was treated when it first appeared?

Oh, and by the by, my brother was released by the police. Seems the person who picked him out of a line up only recognized him because he was his paperboy, not the person who stole his gnome of all things!
 

Samurai Goomba

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Classic case of saying "well, these two things are next to each other, so they must be related." Those in the know will recognize the obvious logical fallacy involved with this kind of reasoning. You know, sometimes violent people seek out violent things to let them work out their aggression. Video games aren't some brainwashing device used for turning people into killers, but sociopaths are often attracted to games because they have both freedom and control in a virtual world-something they may desperately want.

It looks to me like the shooter in this situation was running from his horrible family situation until he decided he couldn't run any more, then did something stupid. Just my assessment.