How did he go insane anyways? Or how did he become a "villain"? Also do real life villains count? Cause if so I'd say jack The Ripper, he was just trying to stop the spread of STDs, there's nothing wrong with that!Hubilub said:
Villains who deserve empathy.
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I think Magneto Deserves sympathy,
He was a german Jew in WW2 who survived concentration camps, after seeing how horrible humanity could be he decided to take matters into his own hands
He was a german Jew in WW2 who survived concentration camps, after seeing how horrible humanity could be he decided to take matters into his own hands
It seemed like Nite Owl and Silk Spectre were the only PROPER heroes of Watchmen, as it were. Rorschach and Ozymandias were antiheroes - people who do bad or evil things for good results. Dr Manhattan was... apathetic, as accurately observed by the Comedian - to paraphrase, "You don't give a shit about humans." Eddie Blake himself was a fucking psychopath anyway, he was no kind of hero.
I agree with the Saren thing anyway, I kind of sympathised with him
Hell, even the Collectors you had to feel for a little when it turned out that
Didn't see that one coming, I liked it.
I suppose I kind of felt bad for Breen, who tried to save humanity, kind of. If he hadn't suggested the Overwatch, the humans would be extinct - only Stalkers to mark they had ever been - and the planet would have been drained completely of water and rendered uninhabitable (the Combine's plan was to sap the Earth of it's most common resource, which happens to be that mostly-clear liquid we all know and need). However, he didn't come out too badly - even if he does get politically raped by the 'Advisors' he gets a snazzy office and doesn't have to put up with all the raids and shit the Metro cops do.
I'm not sure which other villains I empathised with. Lucien, from Fable 2, had fairly noble goals. He only wanted to rid the world of the chaos and injustice... but then he started talking about being a king and I shot him, so... too bad.
I agree with the Saren thing anyway, I kind of sympathised with him
when I persuaded him to blow his head open
Hell, even the Collectors you had to feel for a little when it turned out that
they were the Protheans who survived thie initial slaughter, and were warped and twisted into hideous insectoid slaves
Didn't see that one coming, I liked it.
I suppose I kind of felt bad for Breen, who tried to save humanity, kind of. If he hadn't suggested the Overwatch, the humans would be extinct - only Stalkers to mark they had ever been - and the planet would have been drained completely of water and rendered uninhabitable (the Combine's plan was to sap the Earth of it's most common resource, which happens to be that mostly-clear liquid we all know and need). However, he didn't come out too badly - even if he does get politically raped by the 'Advisors' he gets a snazzy office and doesn't have to put up with all the raids and shit the Metro cops do.
I'm not sure which other villains I empathised with. Lucien, from Fable 2, had fairly noble goals. He only wanted to rid the world of the chaos and injustice... but then he started talking about being a king and I shot him, so... too bad.
randolph dutch.
two quotes: "i will release her soul today, like i did the rest of them. i love them all so much"
*falls asleep for two centuries*
"...i wanted the spirit world, i got hell.
I AM HELL!!*epic showdown*"
then again he makes you shift in and out two different versions of hell.
asshole. I for one a taking my empathy back.
two quotes: "i will release her soul today, like i did the rest of them. i love them all so much"
*falls asleep for two centuries*
"...i wanted the spirit world, i got hell.
I AM HELL!!*epic showdown*"
then again he makes you shift in and out two different versions of hell.
asshole. I for one a taking my empathy back.
Well The Joker himself said in the same book "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another."Thunderhorse94 said:
The Joker to me is a fascinating individual, but I don't think he really deserves any kind of empathy after the sort of atrocities he's committed since then. He's casually murdered hundreds, maybe thousands of people, tried to take over reality, paralyzed Barbara Gordon, beat Jason Todd to death with a lead pipe then blew him up, etc. etc.
One bad day doesn't counteract a lifetime of horrible acts.
EDIT: On Topic, I'd agree with Darth Vader, but not how he was portrayed in the prequel trilogy, mostly because I find Hayden What's-His-Face to be a whiny little tool.
Pretty much every final boss in the Tales series...
One of the reasons that I like the series is because all the major antagonists are usually well characterized and are rarely evil for the sake of being evil.
Mithos just wanted to revive his dead sister and rid the world of racism
Vandesdelca wanted to free humanity from the confines of the score (destiny) and make society more independent
Duke wanted to prevent the destruction of the world and fulfill a promise to a deceased friend
Vandesdelca wanted to free humanity from the confines of the score (destiny) and make society more independent
Duke wanted to prevent the destruction of the world and fulfill a promise to a deceased friend
One of the reasons that I like the series is because all the major antagonists are usually well characterized and are rarely evil for the sake of being evil.
GTA4 Spoilers.
To an extent, the Chosen from 7th Legion fall into this category. I'm assuming no one here has ever heard of 7th Legion, so the story goes like this:
The Earth is overpopulated, and so the world governments start a program where hundreds of massive spaceships will evacuate people off the planet. There aren't enough ships for everyone, so they decide to let only "the smart, powerful, and rich" on board. They evacuate the planet, living on those spaceships for hundreds of years (the story makes no mention of technology that can be used to colonize planets), while everyone else on Earth is left to die from famine, disease, etc.
Eventually, the descendants of the "Chosen" return to Earth, only to find that the survivors organized themselves into a massive military force, created for the sole purpose of getting revenge on the Chosen for leaving them to die, or more accurately, being the descendants of those that left them to die.
Interestingly enough, it's said in the instruction manual that while the Chosen are seen as the villains, if they didn't evacuate the Earth, neither the Earth, nor anyone living on it, would have survived.
But in the cinematics that are shown after every mission, the Chosen are portrayed as neo-Nazis. A 7th Legion soldier executes a Chosen soldier by shooting them in the head, whereas a Chosen soldier executes a 7th Legion soldier more viciously by running them over with a tank. In one cinematic, a 7th Legion solder pets some harmless lizard-type creature he finds on the side of the road, then gets slaughtered by Chosen soldiers. In another cinematic, a Chosen soldier sees a lizard, and then, just to prove that he's an asshole, he starts stabbing it with his bayonet.
Faustin from GTA4. Sure, he has people killed for slightly pissing him off, but at that point in the story, he's one of the few people who isn't a backstabber. He even warns Niko that the guy who sent Niko to kill him is going to betray Niko.
To an extent, the Chosen from 7th Legion fall into this category. I'm assuming no one here has ever heard of 7th Legion, so the story goes like this:
The Earth is overpopulated, and so the world governments start a program where hundreds of massive spaceships will evacuate people off the planet. There aren't enough ships for everyone, so they decide to let only "the smart, powerful, and rich" on board. They evacuate the planet, living on those spaceships for hundreds of years (the story makes no mention of technology that can be used to colonize planets), while everyone else on Earth is left to die from famine, disease, etc.
Eventually, the descendants of the "Chosen" return to Earth, only to find that the survivors organized themselves into a massive military force, created for the sole purpose of getting revenge on the Chosen for leaving them to die, or more accurately, being the descendants of those that left them to die.
Interestingly enough, it's said in the instruction manual that while the Chosen are seen as the villains, if they didn't evacuate the Earth, neither the Earth, nor anyone living on it, would have survived.
But in the cinematics that are shown after every mission, the Chosen are portrayed as neo-Nazis. A 7th Legion soldier executes a Chosen soldier by shooting them in the head, whereas a Chosen soldier executes a 7th Legion soldier more viciously by running them over with a tank. In one cinematic, a 7th Legion solder pets some harmless lizard-type creature he finds on the side of the road, then gets slaughtered by Chosen soldiers. In another cinematic, a Chosen soldier sees a lizard, and then, just to prove that he's an asshole, he starts stabbing it with his bayonet.
Definitely Breen. He prevented mankind's outright extinction, and his philosophy actually makes some sense. Transcending the baser elements of our human nature seems like an admirable goal.Veret said:
