Villains who deserve empathy.
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<color=purple> Yaag Rosch. Orphan. Possibly a few other villains from the newest addition to Final Fantasy.
<spoiler=FFXIII Spoilers><color=purple> Rosch, it turns out, was really trying to do his best to help others. By the time he realizes his inability to help the situation and that he has been manipulated, he can't undo what he has done, but he comes to his senses and lets our l'cie move on to save the world.
Orphan was just made that way....by the "Maker", and all he wanted to do was die. For what he/she thought was best for the world.
And there is also Cid Raines, but I didn't mention him before in case some people still playing this epic game didn't know that he goes ballistic on our heroes. He thinks that the L'cie are being manipulated and if he can stop them, by killing them, he can save the world from its cruel fate.
<spoiler=FFXIII Spoilers><color=purple> Rosch, it turns out, was really trying to do his best to help others. By the time he realizes his inability to help the situation and that he has been manipulated, he can't undo what he has done, but he comes to his senses and lets our l'cie move on to save the world.
Orphan was just made that way....by the "Maker", and all he wanted to do was die. For what he/she thought was best for the world.
And there is also Cid Raines, but I didn't mention him before in case some people still playing this epic game didn't know that he goes ballistic on our heroes. He thinks that the L'cie are being manipulated and if he can stop them, by killing them, he can save the world from its cruel fate.
Sovvolf said:
this.
i regard magneto as much of a hero as doctor X is.
both have the same goals.
both have very competent mutants by their side.
magneto goes about it by retaliating to the attacks on mutants, X goes about it by trying to be a pacifist, realistically both of those methods have a place and time, and both of them use thier specific one all the time. thats their flaw.
Hm this is a tough one if I could pick JUST ONE villian who deserved empathy I'd say...Sauron, I mean think about how much it must've sucked to go from Awesome badass with the One Ring to Rule them All and epic powers that allow you fling 15 people into their death at a time...to being a firey eye of..um..Doom I guess......Ok now to take this seriously I'd have to say...
God what was the name of the villian from Morrowind? Dagonth-Ur that's it. He's like Boromir from LoTR and I can't say more because I've already stolen more than enough from what Shamus Young has to say about him.
Argh I can't think of any others.
God what was the name of the villian from Morrowind? Dagonth-Ur that's it. He's like Boromir from LoTR and I can't say more because I've already stolen more than enough from what Shamus Young has to say about him.
Argh I can't think of any others.
Jenkins from Red Faction: Guerrilla.
I mean, he did sell us out, but he also did lots of collateral damage.
Or, Pres. Eden from FO3.
I mean, he had almost all the right ideas, except the whole mutation purification thing.
I mean, he did sell us out, but he also did lots of collateral damage.
Or, Pres. Eden from FO3.
I mean, he had almost all the right ideas, except the whole mutation purification thing.
And unlike Mario, Bowser will actually commit! Hell, they got married once. Mario? He's too busy being a plumber/doctor/super hero.Pararaptor said:
Mine:Iago. This guy goes through all hell with Othello and does he give him that new job? NO! He gives it to Cassio.
Definitely guilty on the jerkassery and cowardice, but it was his propaganda that made me really love the guy. Sure, I don't believe a word he said, but hearing someone so impossibly eloquent trying to justify the sterilization and massacre of an entire species gives me goosebumps. He's a deliciously complex sort of evil, a la Severus Snape in Harry Potter 1-6.Kollega [and everyone else who quoted me said:
As for the selling out of humanity, consider the circumstances. The entire military of Earth was destroyed in a mere seven hours after the Black Mesa incident. If Breen hadn't surrendered on humanity's behalf, the Combine would have just started slaughtering civilians.
I was with you up until the very end there. Most of the stuff he says about reimagining humanity is actually just him trying to put a better spin on the suppression field; he doesn't actually mean what he's saying. Although the "instinct" speech is one of my favorite monologues in any game, so points for that.mechanixis said:
Hm. Good catch, forgot about him. Is it weird that I, an american, forgot the troubled foreigner in favor of a white military guy? Think I understand racial guilt a little better now...bioshockedcriticjrr said:
Come to think of it, most MGS villians had depressing backstories, particularly the B&B unit.
Then there's the unnamed overlord in Overlord.
He used to be a hero same as the others involved in his predecessor's fall, but they left him for dead while they pursued fame and glory.
The B&B unit from MGS4, all of whom have had horrific backstories that have driven them insane.
the goombas- trained specifically to shuffle slowly towards their enemies with no weapons or armour and to continue regardless of any spikes and pitfalls in the way
then mario comes along and crushes them into dust without mercy
also the chain chomps must have a pretty hard time
then mario comes along and crushes them into dust without mercy
also the chain chomps must have a pretty hard time
Lex Luthor, 100%. The guy is just an ordinary human. He is up against a man who can move faster than bullets, shoot lazers from his eyes, pick up and aircraft and is impervious to all punishment with the exception of one extremely rare type of mineral. All Lex Luthor has is his wits and his baldness.
Despite all this, Luthor is still able to concoct the most ingenious of schemes which only fail because of the inherent difficulty in making a plan nigh-on-immortal-super-jock proof. Lex luthor can only be perceived as the underdog in this arrangement. The fact that he gets so close to succeeding at all is a testiment to his brilliance and his fortitude.
Oh, and for similar reasons, Wild-e-Cayote.
Despite all this, Luthor is still able to concoct the most ingenious of schemes which only fail because of the inherent difficulty in making a plan nigh-on-immortal-super-jock proof. Lex luthor can only be perceived as the underdog in this arrangement. The fact that he gets so close to succeeding at all is a testiment to his brilliance and his fortitude.
Oh, and for similar reasons, Wild-e-Cayote.
I think John Henry Eden deserves a little empathy. He was programmed to re-build America, and the only way that can be done is by destroying the Capital Wasteland. He doesn't know or care about the many, many, MANY people it would kill because he doesn't know anything about life other than what he was programmed to know. He was made to be the ultimate conservative force, and couldn't stand knowing that the once-great America he was forced to love was now home for legions of rapists, murderers and monstrocities.
I'll resist making a Hitler joke as it has probably been made about a hundred fucking times by now.
Liquid Snake would probably be my choice since being an insecure loser myself I identify well . Plus he was fucking awesome!
Liquid Snake would probably be my choice since being an insecure loser myself I identify well . Plus he was fucking awesome!