I'm going to say Colonel Autumns from Fallout 3. He had no interest in using the FEV that Eden wanted to use (meaning he has some sense of morality). He basically wanted to give clean water to the Wasteland. Yes, this would've made the Enclave look good, but that doesn't mater as much.
Kinda sucks that the final confrontation was a pissing match to determine which side pushes the button.
I just saw the Film Hard candy...in which Ellen page plays a young girl who (after internet chatting) gets herself invited to the home of a charming 30 somthing photographer
lets just say things get interesting
[spoiler/] where it turns out she's a bit of a psycho who tortures/castrates him....I know she's not suposed to be a "good" charachter...but I can't help but root for her...and how hilariosuly twisted she is..[/spoiler]
I mean, his supposed father almost beat him to death, he shows the symptoms of a personality disorder and was born simply for the mother to gain power to the throne. I can't sympathize with his actions, but I still feel bad for the guy :/
robert only hits him once albeit powerfully,(with good reason, Joffrey had disembowelled a pregnant cat and brought robert the fetuses)..
Also I don't think his birth was planned, but then again Cersei is insane as well so it could have been
Basically every villain in the Sword of Truth universe who is not Darken Rahl or Jagang. Most of them are pretty okay guys at some point. I mean, there is one village of straw men pacifists who're murdered by that complete psychopath Richard for no good reason other than that the author hates everyone who does not believe Ayn Rand is some kind of god. However, one problem with this is that he's so terrible at making straw men that he just makes them cartoonishly evil (see Jagang, for example), which kind of destroys the sympathy you have for many of the people in the book.
(you could argue though that you're not so much rooting for them as you are rooting against Richard, a psycho murderer, and Kahlan, someone who casually mindfucks people to make them her slaves without batting an eyelid.)
I totally sided with the badass Colonel and his rational hatred for the arrogant hippies. My favourite bit is that one point in the film where he basically takes the piss out of the entire plot: "so you found some poon and decided to switch sides, huh?" Also, he jumps out of a burning aeroplane in a robot gorilla suit and knifes a sabertooth tiger to death. Who doesn't cheer for a guy like that?
Loki in the Avengers, oh my god. I know alot of people just thought he was an evil bastard but I felt so bad for him, being overshadowed by Thor and getting his taste at the throne than getting ripped right off of him.
Maybe it's because Tom Hiddleston plays such a damn good villain too -.-
Fujin and Raijin from FF8, they were just following their friend/leader and you kicked their asses whenever you had to. then they relize whats going on and kinda leave Seifer
Tarantino really wanted you to feel sorry for them though, which isn't quite what the OP was asking for.
The film shows you a brave, noble nazi who dies to protect his comrades, a happy-go-lucky nazi who's just become a father, and a love-struck nazi who doesn't like the fame he's got (though that last one turns out to be an asshole in the end). Hell, the jew hunter is shown to be the nastiest nazi on screen, and not only is he kinder than the Basterds, he doesn't even support the nazi party in the slightest. That film was trying to wind us up.
Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.
Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.
LuiciferSatancreation made by god, the everything else was created through jesus). Whil
At the risk of turning this into another kind of thread entirely, an argument could be made that it was Lucifer (if one sees the serpent in Eden as representing him) who gave humans free will via the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. I still don't get how Yahweh is supposed to come across as the good guy there.
Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.
I don't know really where the angel ranking system came from, but know that if there is one Jesus is number 1. Satan also had free will and by no was forced to bow down to us, all angles had to do was occasionally come down and help us, and even that didn't happen often as not. Satan not jealous of the worship god was receiving not mad at humans, he wanted them to praise him. There's a lot more to dispute what the above comment said but then I'd be passing through the lines of all the forms of Christianity and more than likely make some sects mad.
Just know that satan had a life that was so much better than our's, and he gave it up so he could steal god's worship.
Jesus isn't an angel... He's god's son. Or god incarnate, whatever you choose to believe.
The 'angel ranking system' comes from the Hebrew bible. Seraphim for example are mentioned in the Book of Isiah.
Most angels are described as being non humanoid and quite terrifying in fact. The Ophanim are 'great wheels with eyes.'
Lucifer was indeed God's right hand guy. He's the angel of the dawn. You know 'Let there be Light'
I too have difficulty understanding why what he did was wrong. I mean from a human point of view striving for freedom is pretty much the highest virtue. I guess it's because he directly disobeyed god. We have the same problem with the first woman (and the first demon) Lilith who refused to act as subservient to Adam and was cast out and turned into a monster who spreads disease amongst children. I feel more sympathy for her than disgust frankly.
It's all from Jewish/Hebrew mythology and the Dead Sea Scrolls... :|
Lucifer refusing to bow before Adam comes from Islam.
Well Its said all angles are spirit creatures which don't have physical bodies, in the times they where physical bodies they only took form on earth. He was cast down because he ulitmaltey would damn all humans by bringing death to us. Humans always had the choice of eating from the tree, god put it there because he wanted man to have the choice and not make it. Satan had freedom, he just had a duty to fulfill to god but he became incredibly greedy and ulitamtley started war in the heavens.
Really? Where are you getting this from? Because I'm pretty sure most religions who worship the Christian God believe in what the Dead Sea Scrolls tell us. I am using actual religious sources here.
I would say Gendo Ikari from Neon Genesis Evangelion, even though he had been a massive prick thoughout the series and pushed Shinji to th edge of insanity I still felt sympathy for him. (Spoilered for those who have not seen the series and want to watch)
Mainly because he wanted the best for Shinji but knew that if he got close to him that it would only put him in a worse state than he already was, this is evident when he apologises to Shinji right before he dies in the End of Evangelion.
He went out of his way to save Rei II when she was unconcious inside the entry plug, scolding his hands in the process, even though she was replacable.
He dies in possibly one of the worst ways, been bitten in half by a giant humaniod cyborg, just after he realised his plans to see Yui again had failed.
Which villains in fiction (whether it be in comic books, TV, film, whatever) have you felt sympathy for, but felt that you weren't meant to?
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I personally felt some strange sense of sympathy (or maybe it was pity) for Patrick Wilson's character in Hard Candy. I think it was just the way he portrayed him so humanely and believably, despite being a child molester who'd murdered, or at least born witness to the murders of sexually abused young girls.
I guess the fact that we never saw his criminal actions, since they took place before the film, is partly due to this. And at first glance, he's just this ordinary handsome photographer before being both physically and psychologically tortured by Ellen Page's character (who, to be honest, didn't garner much sympathy from me, probably due to the fact that we knew nothing about her other than that she was supposedly smart). And that faked castration scene...
when i read the thread title this is exactly what popped into my head. . hard candy is a film that messes with your head. you start to feel sympathy for that animal yet cheer what she does to him.an amazing movie
Oh, very much so. I was a little confused while watching it...I honestly couldn't tell WHO the film wanted me to be rooting for. All the better for it, I say.
Also, Diablo 3 spoilers:
Adria. Seriously, when going through it with a friend, I just stopped for a moment to point out 'you know, Adria is definitely going to turn evil and resurrect Diablo through Leah (this was the early portion of Act 2, btw), but she's the only character I give a damn about so far.'
And then as it went on, I started to think...why is Sanctuary worth saving again? Honestly, I think Adria has the right idea. Purge the place, live it up as a ruler of hell. At no point did it strike me as a place worth protecting, but Adria was always spot-on in her attitude of just getting things done, and to hell (heh) with the idiots that aren't worth protecting. I knew the game wouldn't let me side with her, but I would have jumped at that chance in a heartbeat.
So...more empathy than sympathy I guess, but I had to add something.
Maybe I'm not so broadly experienced, but the Helghast. The game doesn't do anything to promote sympathy towards them, but about the only thing it can say against them is that they are (basically) communists, as if that and the similar language and customs were enough to make them Nazis. I can't think of anything the Helghast did that was particularly terrible, like phosphorus-bombing an orphanage. Most of what they do now is trying to kill the ISA, who are dicks anyway. I actually sort of feel bad for them when I think that they're all pretty much people, just on patrol or whatever.
Really? Where are you getting this from? Because I'm pretty sure most religions who worship the Christian God believe in what the Dead Sea Scrolls tell us. I am using actual religious sources here.
Im using sources from a few different sources, I said I didn't really know where the angel ranking system came from but I didn't dispute it. I preferably use the new world translation but I do use the catholic bible and the king James for comparison. While I fell kinda bad for satan in that was perfect and like yall said he was a very high ranking angel, but that only makes his actions all the more unforgivable. He was perfect, had eternal life had power and responsibility and he gave it all up in attempt to rebel against god and to take over heaven. He is the cause of all humans dying, he is the cause of rape and murder.
The Helghast(SP?) from Killzone, sure they are space Nazis but that is kinda the ISA's fault, in fact the ISA just seems to be a bunch of twats in general, and the player character seemed to have been invented by taking every complaint about the main cast of other shooters and mixing them into one utterly hateful individual.
Yeah gotta agree, the only character I could sympathize with in the first game was Gregor Hakha, simply because nobody likes him due to his bloodline.. so he's kind of the good guy outcast that's only real motivation for helping the good guys is is because the Helghast are being twats. Him and Rico, because Rico's introduction was the funniest in my books, and he never tried to be anything deeper than essentially the heavy from TF2 if he were American.
Any indoctrinated enemy from Mass Effect, such as Saren or The Illusive Man, though that's kinda sticky since you are kind of meant for feel sympathy for them if you go paragon path. But more so the Reapers in general, even though they're portrayed as being so damn evil, they just want to look after the galaxy in the greater picture... For the entire ending (It still applies with the discontinued story) all I could think was "Why couldn't they at least EXPLAIN themselves, people might feel more inclined to help them, if they didn't keep trying to brain wash them", I know I would fight for the Reapers if they didn't brainwash me, and instead had enhancements like the Illusive Man.
Really? Where are you getting this from? Because I'm pretty sure most religions who worship the Christian God believe in what the Dead Sea Scrolls tell us. I am using actual religious sources here.
Im using sources from a few different sources, I said I didn't really know where the angel ranking system came from but I didn't dispute it. I preferably use the new world translation but I do use the catholic bible and the king James for comparison. While I fell kinda bad for satan in that was perfect and like yall said he was a very high ranking angel, but that only makes his actions all the more unforgivable. He was perfect, had eternal life had power and responsibility and he gave it all up in attempt to rebel against god and to take over heaven. He is the cause of all humans dying, he is the cause of rape and murder.
That doesn't mean we can't feel pity or sympathy for him.
I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't encourage you to straight out despise someone for mistakes they have made. I refuse to believe that Jesus would have let Judas rot in hell if he had a choice about it. I would forgive my friend if that went down and he killed himself over it so I'm pretty sure Jesus would, being a much better person than me.
Really? Where are you getting this from? Because I'm pretty sure most religions who worship the Christian God believe in what the Dead Sea Scrolls tell us. I am using actual religious sources here.
Im using sources from a few different sources, I said I didn't really know where the angel ranking system came from but I didn't dispute it. I preferably use the new world translation but I do use the catholic bible and the king James for comparison. While I fell kinda bad for satan in that was perfect and like yall said he was a very high ranking angel, but that only makes his actions all the more unforgivable. He was perfect, had eternal life had power and responsibility and he gave it all up in attempt to rebel against god and to take over heaven. He is the cause of all humans dying, he is the cause of rape and murder.
I'm actually pretty sure that's why we can't feel sympathy for him He had more than any human alive, and he choose to try and steal from the one who had given him everything. His actions where out of no reasons but the most pure and nasty greed. I can get why you may feel pity but he is for sure the most vile on this earth and likely to ever be.
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Because I'm pretty sure most religions who worship the Christian God believe in what the Dead Sea Scrolls tell us. I am using actual religious sources here.
