Really? Where are you getting this from? Because I'm pretty sure most religions who worship the Christian God believe in what the Dead Sea Scrolls tell us. I am using actual religious sources here.
Im using sources from a few different sources, I said I didn't really know where the angel ranking system came from but I didn't dispute it. I preferably use the new world translation but I do use the catholic bible and the king James for comparison. While I fell kinda bad for satan in that was perfect and like yall said he was a very high ranking angel, but that only makes his actions all the more unforgivable. He was perfect, had eternal life had power and responsibility and he gave it all up in attempt to rebel against god and to take over heaven. He is the cause of all humans dying, he is the cause of rape and murder.
I'm actually pretty sure that's why we can't feel sympathy for him He had more than any human alive, and he choose to try and steal from the one who had given him everything. His actions where out of no reasons but the most pure and nasty greed. I can get why you may feel pity but he is for sure the most vile on this earth and likely to ever be.
Kira from Death Note(anime). Also the guy from OldBoy(movie). I like villains who aren't supposed to be villains, but are just some guys with normal psychies chasing after their goals. That's why I can't think of any videogame villains I can sympathize with, at least not right now.
The Helghast(SP?) from Killzone, sure they are space Nazis but that is kinda the ISA's fault, in fact the ISA just seems to be a bunch of twats in general, and the player character seemed to have been invented by taking every complaint about the main cast of other shooters and mixing them into one utterly hateful individual.
By the Blood God don't remind me... especially in that genocidal ending to Killzone 3. Then again, the only reason I loved Killzone (aside from the British SPESS Nazis of course ^w^) was because Brian Cox voiced Scolar Visari...
That voice...
Gives me goosebumps and a stiffy everytime XDD
Cliff from the original Dead Rising. Sure you were supposed to but everyone I've seen or heard from said that they wanted to cave his skull in despite his reasoning behind being a shit-brained-crazy-man.
Also anyone the Saints have killed except the Ultor Exec, he had that shit coming.
I...Umm...whaaaat? Do you mean the CSM during the Horus Heresy or During M41?
While the Heresy era Chaos Marines have some sympathy going for them, the "current" ones don't have that excuse, I mean, serving literal gods who freely admit "evil and proud" and are among the worst things in the W40k universe doesn't buy them any extra points.
OT: Emperor Palpatine
Mainly due to the events that followed his death as he was the only one who had seen the Vong coming, and to be honest, if he did have all those years to build up the Imperial military, very many of all those lives lost during the war would have been saved.Oh well, atleast the dumbass rebels got what was coming for them.
Azula from Avatar the Last Airbender. Thought she was the most awesome character, felt kinda sad when she lost in the end.
Loki from the viking mythology, and in the movie. Hes not evil, hes just mischievous.
Oh well, since you didn't put a reason that means I get to.
I felt a little sympathy for Vergil right about the end of your first fight with him where he says:
"Might controls everything. Without strength you cannot protect anything, let alone yourself"
I don't know, but when he says that it just seems like he's doing what he's doing for some reason beyond just wanting power. The shame of it is, we never really got an explanation for why he wanted Sparda's power in the first place.
I'm about to spoil the big twist at the end of season 1 of Dexter. You have been warned.
Brian Moser from Dexter... He cut up women and displayed their bodies in public places, tortured a janitor just to prove he was smarter than the police and kidnapped and planned to murder his soon to be wife but he only did it because he wanted to get closer to his brother, Dexter, and he'd seen his mother get hacked to bits with Dexter but they sent him to a mental hospital and adopted Dex... I felt really sorry for the guy...
The entire expedition NOT the main cast in Jurassic Park 2 I think.
THEY made the dinosaurs, its their land, and they are trying to save a very large company from tanking. Played against by a bunch of self-righteous hippies who are responsible FOR EVERY SINGLE DEATH IN THE FILM.
I mean the guy I was rooting for was the great white hunter (tvtropes) dude.
Honestly I hate fiction that says : THIS PERSON IS RIGHT SIDE WITH THIS PERSON!
Subverted in one Batman comic where the Penguin turns the law on Batman since batman was breaking into his house and beating on some of his security. Batman WAS breaking the law, and Penguin was not.
Yeah, I don't know about totally sympathizing with the Sith, but here's one thing that pissed me off about the Jedi. (Hey, my spellchecker recognized "Jedi" as a word but not "Sith". There's your prejudice right there.) Anyway, in Episode 3, Anakin is having these ridiculous force-visions that Padme is going to die in childbirth. Obviously, as a force using dude, he thinks this might actually happen and is naturally concerned. So, does he go all evil right off the bat? No, he actually goes to Yoda, the supposedly wise Jedi master and says "Hey, Yoda, I'm a little worried. I'm having these visions that someone I'm very close to and care about very much is going to die (and never mind the shittyness that forbids him to admit he has a wife.) And what does Yoda tell him? "Don't worry about it, when people die they join the force. Don't mourn their demise, celebrate it." WTF?!! This guy has reason to believe that his wife, who is pregnant with his children, is going to die. That would freak out anybody with a shred of decency. But no, the Jedi's attitude is basically "Eh, who cares? They join the force and shit so it's all good." So of course when Palpatine pops in and and says, albeit disingenuously, "Join me and I'll help you sort this out.", what did they think would happen? Sure Anakin's a whiny little *****, but who wouldn't consider the dark side at that point?
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Cheery Lunatic said:
I'm surprised no one mentioned Cameron's Avatar yet.
I felt kind of bad for the humans towards the final fight sequence.
So much this. I saw Avatar in the theater and thought it looked cool but was overall a pretty lousy movie. The plot and dialogue suuuuucked. I just recently watched it again (heh, with Rifftrax), and noticed something. Remember when Selfridge (Giovanni Ribisi), who is totally not Carter Burke (Paul Reiser) from Aliens, tells Sigourney Weaver that they have a few months to convince the blue cat people to let them mine peacefully. Ya know, a diplomatic solution. So when Sam Worthington gets chosen by the tribe to live with them in their tree fort, does he try to pursue this? NO!!! You'll notice that when he becomes one with the Na'vi and all that bullshit, he never fucking mentions it to them! He thinks he's awesome for getting the science team back in field but never once plainly states: "The reason we're here is because this world contains a mineral that is very valuable to us can solve our problems. We didn't come just to make your lives miserable, all we really want is this rock. If there's anything, anything at all we can do to allow us to mine it in peace, you guys just name it." No, he decides his time is better spent running around as a furry and banging Zoe Saldana. In the end the character of Jake Sully is just some guy who totally shirked his responsibilities to have fun, resulting in an armed conflict with massive casualties on both sides. What a douche. So when Stephen Lang showed up as Colonel McBadass, I didn't really want him to get killed. If Earth is really running low on resources, we can't go squandering all of our badasses.
There's a sequel in the works for this masturbatory, trite bullshit due in 2015. I'll sacrifice a goat to the Great Old Ones (and actually watch it) if it ends with Pandora being nuked from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Okay I guess I got a couple:
This might seem weird, but in a slight way, Baron Alexander from Amnesia: The Dark Descent.
It's true that Alexander is a monster by almost anybody's standards. He kidnapped and gruesomely tortured hundreds of mostly innocent people for his own gain. He most certainly deserved to be destroyed. But you have to take into account why he was doing this. Alexander was not from our world. He was some sort of immortal being from another plane of existence. All he wanted to do was go home. Unfortunately, in order to do so he needed "Vitae", a substance taken from the blood of torture victims. Just killing someone wouldn't work, they had to be tortured. But he didn't go straight to torture. First he tried to create it artificially and failed. Then he tried to extract it from animals, but that didn't work because animals couldn't be made aware that they were about to be tortured; the psychological anticipation of torture being what produced this stuff. He felt nothing at all for the lives of others, considering himself to be above good and evil. Still, he lived here for centuries in total misery, separated from the one person he truly loved. So, while it felt great watching the bastard suck it after 8 hours of getting the shit scared out of you, you can't help but feel a little sympathy, even if in the tiniest of ways.
Also General Knoxx from the Borderlands DLC. I felt really bad for the guy, but maybe I was supposed to. He sends hit squads to kill you the entire game but his dialogue is just so damn funny. He really didn't want to be there, referring to Pandora as a planet that "smells like hemorrhoids wrapped in bacon." By the time I faced off with him I really didn't want to kill him. Of course, I did anyway to raid his armory for the coolest guns ever, but still I'd have liked him to stick around.
Wow I wrote a lot. Sleep deprivation tends to do that. I don't know why.
In all of those movies with herbivore animals as the main characters, there's always bound to be a villain that is a carnivore. Of course, the carnivores never get to eat the main characters, and I always imagine the carnivores starving to death in a cave or something. I'm not saying I want all of the cute little animals to be devoured, but it wouldn't hurt to throw the carnivores a bone once or twice a movie. I mean, it's either try to eat the herbivores or slowly starve to death.
Azula from Avatar the Last Airbender. Thought she was the most awesome character, felt kinda sad when she lost in the end.
Loki from the viking mythology, and in the movie. Hes not evil, hes just mischievous.
Now, I agree that Loki is far too often played as a villain, and having no knowledge of the Marvel Thor (at the time I saw the movie) I was briefly hopeful that Loki would just be a trickster. But saying he's not evil in the movie? Dude starts a war with the frost giants, tries to kill his father and perma-exile his brother. And remember, his plan started before he even knew he was a frost giant.
Teyrn Logain from the first dragonage game is what springs to mind for me.
I never really saw him as being greedy for power. From the novels its written out that he was the guy keeping Fereldan together during King Marrics breakdown after the queen died.
Then Marric dies and the new king is so hungry for glory that he sacrifices good war-strategy for direct assaults and unplanned grand stands, just because that's what singers will remember.
Just because the grey wardens and Cailen happend to be right about the arch-demon being real, that doesnt mean that there were any reason to believe a disgraced order that had been free-loading for centuries.
So even on that part Logain could be argued to be in the right. Acting as if this was a normal invasion by an inferior enemy, just like it had been for the past 400years.
Logain did some pretty harsh things after he gained power, but every one of them seems to be explainable and to some extent, justifiable.
(My Human noble still joyfully killed him though, bloody bastard giving my lands to the Howes!)
I agree with you there, in my first play threw as a Dwarf Noble I let him live. And it even made that paladin idiot cry and run off so double victory! Logain was a better tank anyways. And I finally had someone to give all those damn maps to too.
I'm not sure why, but that was my favourite part of Ferngully.
OT: Most supervillians from comics. Most Supervillians go through the hard yards to gain their powers and spend years formulating plans to shape the world they way they wish it (You know, following the stars and whatnot.) and yet are usually beaten by some chump who only wins because of some convenient plot twist. For some reason this just kills off most stories for me.
Azula from Avatar the Last Airbender. Thought she was the most awesome character, felt kinda sad when she lost in the end.
Loki from the viking mythology, and in the movie. Hes not evil, hes just mischievous.
Tarantino really wanted you to feel sorry for them though, which isn't quite what the OP was asking for.
The film shows you a brave, noble nazi who dies to protect his comrades, a happy-go-lucky nazi who's just become a father, and a love-struck nazi who doesn't like the fame he's got (though that last one turns out to be an asshole in the end). Hell, the jew hunter is shown to be the nastiest nazi on screen, and not only is he kinder than the Basterds, he doesn't even support the nazi party in the slightest. That film was trying to wind us up.
Really? Where are you getting this from? Because I'm pretty sure most religions who worship the Christian God believe in what the Dead Sea Scrolls tell us. I am using actual religious sources here.
Im using sources from a few different sources, I said I didn't really know where the angel ranking system came from but I didn't dispute it. I preferably use the new world translation but I do use the catholic bible and the king James for comparison. While I fell kinda bad for satan in that was perfect and like yall said he was a very high ranking angel, but that only makes his actions all the more unforgivable. He was perfect, had eternal life had power and responsibility and he gave it all up in attempt to rebel against god and to take over heaven. He is the cause of all humans dying, he is the cause of rape and murder.
I'm actually pretty sure that's why we can't feel sympathy for him He had more than any human alive, and he choose to try and steal from the one who had given him everything. His actions where out of no reasons but the most pure and nasty greed. I can get why you may feel pity but he is for sure the most vile on this earth and likely to ever be.
First of all, no while some religions may look down on you there is many sects of Christianity that would take you in and to say you deny religion simply because you think it's no use is no excuse. god forgives all that truly seek to be forgiven, never forge that.
Also the bible says its ok to hate injustice, just not those who practice it. You don't have to hate satan because like you said hate of another being is bad, but to allow him pity and feel sorrow for him is allowing just as much as hating him. To pity you need to sympathize with his position before his actions and his reasons. He had everything but wanted what he did not deserve and did the most horrible things to obtain it. No one wronged him, he choose his actions out of greed.
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Because I'm pretty sure most religions who worship the Christian God believe in what the Dead Sea Scrolls tell us. I am using actual religious sources here.
