Villan you agree with

[Rattja]

So I have been watching some Naruto lately, and there is this one guy that basically wants to hypnotize the whole world happy, and I find myself thinking "How is this guy so bad? I actually like this idea" which I dont think is the point? Or maybe it is, I don't know.


Anyways, it made me think about other villans out there that did something I did not consider to be wrong or at least not that terrible.

So which villan do you find yourself agreeing with?

 

[Barbas]

The thing is...if you agree with a a character, it's difficult to actually see them as a villain. If you understand the logic behind what they are trying to do and you know that it will improve the well-being of the world, fighting to undo their efforts is folly. Perhaps the person has immoral means to achieve their ends, but that means they have merely done immoral or villainous things in the past, which would put them in an enormous camp with a very great number of people.

 

[Eamar]

I don't necessarily agree 100% with their methods, but I can sympathise and have a sneaking suspicion that if I lived in their universes and shared their experiences I might end up on their side. Or not. I tend to find myself somewhere in the middle:

- Loki in the first Thor movie
- Prince Nuada in Hellboy 2
- Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness
- Magneto in the X-Men universe

I prefer my villains to be a bit morally grey rather than straight-up evil.

 

[Zontar]

The CIS and Empire in Star Wars. (I made a long post about that a few weeks back)

The pro-registration side of the Mutant and Superhuman registration acts in the Marvel comics and the X-men movies.

 

[FalloutJack]

So I have been watching some Naruto lately...

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

So which villan do you find yourself agreeing with?

Hmmm...BESIDES myself and my own creations? Lemme see...

The Joker
Schwarzwald
Richard
Black Mage
Emperor Beld

If I look hard enough, I'll run down through every villain I like - which is alot - and list them all here, so instead I'll go with these ones.

 

[Queen Michael]

All of them except for Two-Face. Don't ask me why, it's just something about him.

 

[King Aragorn]

Huge Joker fanatic but I can't understand how you'd resonate with a mass murdering anarchist who does it quite literally for the lolz. He makes some interesting points about societies under workings with the relation to Batman with it, but how can you relate or root for said character?

 

[Tom_green_day]

Borderlands 2, near the end we see another side of Handsome Jack, a more human side, and I kinda didn't want to have to kill him after that.
Loki in the Marvel films. Anyone who wants to kill that smug team of jackasses gets a green thumbs up from me. Same with the duo in home alone. Just kill the blondie, for me, please?

 

[Remus]

Loki. He has a really backhanded way of doing the right thing. The Avengers were created because Loki was the first true threat to all of humanity that could not be solved with a SEAL incursion. But coming up behind Loki was the Chitauri army, an army later found to be commanded by Thanos and his generals. This was a threat that the Avengers were ideally suited to combat, at street level, in close quarters. Loki is like a vaccination - rather than being a cure in of itself, it readies the body for future infection by presenting itself as a visible threat that the body reacts to by increasing its defenses. Same principle, much larger body.

 

[Mersadeon]

Warhammer 40k: Oh, I'm just joking, everything is morally grey there, so I could pick almost anyone.
In fact, let's do that (not all of them, but a choice few).

Tau are the easiest - sure, they are join-us-or-die(or-maybe-be-sterilised) space communists that might use mindcontrol on their allies and are controlled by a ruling cast of guys that can subtly change peoples opinions through pheromones, BUT they haven't had any corruption by chaos, actually ask you if you want to join and treat their people well, all the while fighting for the Greater Good.

The Inquisition might be shown as typical in-faction bad guys because they really like to call down an Exterminatus (a.k.a. FUCK THAT PLANET), but can you blame them? In a universe where a handful of Chaos-worshippers could doom AN ENTIRE WORLD and give it to the enemy?

The Eldar are ridiculed for some of their "EXACTLY AS I PLANNED" bullshit, seeing as they can do stupid stuff the plot requires only to see it paying off later. And also they would be ok with sacrificing all of humanity for a handful of Eldar. That too. Oh, and the also created one of the Chaos Gods just by being too hedonistic.
But... at least they see their problem. They actively try to live in a way that prevents them from falling to Chaos, by dividing their lives into "Paths", sections dedicated to a certain role. They don't kill unless it's necessary and they would be ok with humanity if humans weren't so genocidal and fanatic.

Chaos Marines... well, it depends on the Chapter, so I will just pick one. The Night Lords. They do horrible, awful things to people, and they have done so even back when the Emperor was still around. They claim they did it because everyone else was to afraid to do it and that it was necessary, and that the Emperor cast them out just for doing what he created them for.
And they are kind of right.
Don't get me wrong, they are still not good guys, but I can understand their feeling of betrayal. They helped unite humanity under the hand of their glorious Emperor, and they were cast out just for their cruel tactics.






I know another one, though: Some of the AAA-Megacorps of Shadowrun. Saeder-Krupp, for example. You know, the biggest corporation in the ENTIRE WORLD - all in the hand of a single mind: Lofwyr, a dragon. Now, in Shadowrun, dragons are known to think long-term. He is not a nice guy, and neither is Saeder-Krupp - they use the same tactics as any other AAA. But I have a book about the "Rhein-Ruhr-Megaplex", a part of germany, that is mostly in S-K's hand - and Lofwyrs claw. They bring work to a place with over 20% unemployment. The part of Essen they bought as Lofwyrs personal hort? It's safe to walk around there. In a part of Germany where that is really normally not the case.

 

[FalloutJack]

Soupy Twist

Heyo, was that addressed to anyone in particular? Because my answer would be that some days, you feel like morality should hang back and some people should be 'dealt with' in a horrifically amusing fashion. It's not some sort of doctrine you have to like about the Joker, but that people would sometimes wish they could cut loose and damn the consequences, an act which no human being has ever made more entertaining. Oh, I'm not saying that it isn't BAD, but let's just face it. I don't simply laugh. I cackle. I am a card-carrying villain.

 

[SoranMBane]

Andrew Ryan, or at least the baseline of his ideology; that people should be free to pursue their own individual interests without fear of censorship or government coercion. He does, of course, drop the ball pretty hard once he starts emulating the tyrants he was trying to escape in an effort to maintain his own political dominance, but the original sentiment was nice. He simply lacked the discipline to stay true to his ideology once things started to go against him, and that's when he became a villain.

 

[NihilSinLulz]

Senator Armstrong from Revengance. Sure child soldiers are bad, but trying to end the military industrial complex for ever? Kinda hard to be against that.

Red Hood from Under the Red Hood. Why not kill the Joker? Batman's reasoning is pretty lame especially considering he won't even allow other people to deal with the Joker. Lame.

 

[Weaver]

Motherfucking Nox from Wakfu.

I maintain he is one of the best villains ever written; which is a shame it was in a little known kids show from France.
Basically, he was a down on his luck mechanic/tinkerer in debt in a small town (think high fantasy). But, he had a wife and family who loved him and supported him.

On one of their walks he found the Eliacube; a sort of techno-magic MacGuffin. However, it slowly started driving him crazy. On the flipside, it granted him amazing insights into the workings of magic and science. Eventually, after spending months or years (it's somewhat fuzzy) working away ignoring his family his wife couldn't take it anymore and left him. He eventually noticed and found a note from her; she had moved to another city with her sister and hoped that, one day, the husband she loved would return.

But that wouldn't happen, because a few days after she moved the city suffered a natural disaster and killed everyone in it (I believe it was a flood). She was dead. His kids were dead. He hated himself for what he became and decided to, literally, turn back time with his found knowledge over science and magic itself.

However, the time machine requires life force, or Wakfu. Lots and lots and lots of life force. Thus, he built machines to collect it. Growing in sophistication his inventions got deadlier, more efficient, and numerous (basically forming the plot for the show).

However, he knows what he's doing is awful. He knows killing is wrong. However, he firmly believes that the ends justify the means because if things simply go the way he wants time will turn backwards as such, he'll never have harmed a soul. He firmly believes he can undo everything.

 

[Little Woodsman]

Dr. Horrible (Billy) from Dr. Horrible's Sing-along Blog.
His objective is to enact real positive social change, he believes that this can only be done by a sufficiently intelligent person holding total power over the world.
Honestly I find his basic reasoning to be sound, and an attitude of "you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs" would be necessary to achieve an objective like that, where he fails is in not taking the whole "absolute power corrupts absolutely" factor in to consideration, as well as possibly not having a long-term plan to keep the reins of power in the hands of someone who is willing to do the necessary things for world betterment after he is gone.

 

[cojo965]

So I have been watching some Naruto lately...

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

So which villan do you find yourself agreeing with?

Hmmm...BESIDES myself and my own creations? Lemme see...

The Joker
Schwarzwald
Richard
Black Mage
Emperor Beld

If I look hard enough, I'll run down through every villain I like - which is alot - and list them all here, so instead I'll go with these ones.

Black Mage? As in 8 Bit Theatre? I can sympathize with him, 'cause if everyone on Earth is this stupid they deserve to be wiped out.

 

[Shock and Awe]

The humans in Avatar, all day every day. If the Navii had played nice at first then we would have taken what we needed and left, but since they went and killed a bunch of humans they made it where they will probably be wiped out by an actual military force that will be sent there almost immediately after the first lot gets back.

 

[Ratty]

Magneto has a point. I can't help but like Loki.

PS- The Martian Queen from Duck Dodgers, she was a lot of fun and I don't remember her doing a lot of things that were actually "evil" per se. That was part of the joke.

 

[Moloch Sacrifice]

Chaos Marines... well, it depends on the Chapter, so I will just pick one. The Night Lords. They do horrible, awful things to people, and they have done so even back when the Emperor was still around. They claim they did it because everyone else was to afraid to do it and that it was necessary, and that the Emperor cast them out just for doing what he created them for.
And they are kind of right.
Don't get me wrong, they are still not good guys, but I can understand their feeling of betrayal. They helped unite humanity under the hand of their glorious Emperor, and they were cast out just for their cruel tactics.

An even better example are the Thousand Sons, especially Magnus the Red himself. He spots Horus' shenanigans a mile off and tries to send a warning to the Emperor by the quickest means available to him. What does Daddy do in thanks? Why, he sends one of his other children to rough Magnus up, because he used sorcery to call home. Add in Horus 'misrepresenting' Leman Russ's orders, and suddenly you find the thousand sons being screwed over by both sides of the civil war. It's almost understandable that they slipped off to do their own thing, even if it is somewhat ethically dubious.

 

[anthony87]

The Marines from One Piece.

Sure, they try and kill the main characters and some of them are really fucked up but the majority of them are just soldiers wanting to keep people safe from pirates.