Villan you agree with

[babinro]

"This is Brigadier General Francis X. Hummel, United States Marine Corps, from Alcatraz. Out!". Ed Harris' Character from The Rock. Granted, he's not really portrayed as the movies true villain but he's the first person that came to mind for this topic.

 

[SycoMantis91]

First one that pops to my mind is Magneto, though I know it's not the most original. There's one double-sized issue (150 or somewhere around there?) where's he's basically like "You treat us like animals, hunting and killing us, and because of your stupid hatred for each other, we may also suffer. If you don't disarm your nuclear weapons, Imma fuck you all up and rule a new, peaceful world". He goes about it the wrong way, but holy shit is it impossible to disagree.

 

[Zontar]

First one that pops to my mind is Magneto, though I know it's not the most original. There's one double-sized issue (150 or somewhere around there?) where's he's basically like "You treat us like animals, hunting and killing us, and because of your stupid hatred for each other, we may also suffer. If you don't disarm your nuclear weapons, Imma fuck you all up and rule a new, peaceful world". He goes about it the wrong way, but holy shit is it impossible to disagree.

Yeah, he REALLY goes about it the wrong way, given how the way he goes about it are proving those who fear mutants are right with him and others threatening (and attempting) genocide against humans on a regular basis. Really the idea that the X-men is a metaphor for intolerance is a little hard to accept given how mutants generally act towards normal people.

 

[EHKOS]

It's been a long time, but I recall agreeing with The Claw from Gun X Sword.

The Joker's a cool dude too, I'd hang out with him if he wouldn't kill me.

EDIT: I knew I forgot someone, Senetor Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising. He made some very valid points.

 

[TheMigrantSoldier]

Walhart from Fire Emblem: Awakening. The entire world united has a better chance against Grima rather than one small, military group. Granted, he could have tried diplomacy first.

 

[WolfThomas]

- Magneto in the X-Men universe

MAGNETO WAS RIGHT

But seriously I love every aspect of Magneto, his brutal origins, his seemingly noble cause and that costume design, a perfect blend of both villain and hero colours and characteristics.

 

[SycoMantis91]

First one that pops to my mind is Magneto, though I know it's not the most original. There's one double-sized issue (150 or somewhere around there?) where's he's basically like "You treat us like animals, hunting and killing us, and because of your stupid hatred for each other, we may also suffer. If you don't disarm your nuclear weapons, Imma fuck you all up and rule a new, peaceful world". He goes about it the wrong way, but holy shit is it impossible to disagree.

Yeah, he REALLY goes about it the wrong way, given how the way he goes about it are proving those who fear mutants are right with him and others threatening (and attempting) genocide against humans on a regular basis. Really the idea that the X-men is a metaphor for intolerance is a little hard to accept given how mutants generally act towards normal people.

From what I've seen (many of the X-Men comics, the show, spinoff comics like X Factor), the first 3 movies, it seems to be about 50/50 with how they treat humans. And honestly, if there was a decently noticeable amount of humans born with what are basically superpowers, and we treated them like freaks, ran away or tried to harm them, and our government funded programs in an attempt to hunt them to extinction or use them as a weapon, no matter how often a lot of them saved countless lives, especially against threats other than mutants, we'd be lucky if Magneto's methods were the farthest any of them went.

 

[Shinkicker444]

Loki from the first Thor movie, he was somewhat relatable there, Avengers kinda made him stock villain 01 which is boring.

Darth Malgus from SW:TOR, I was shattered about his betrayal - even though I agreed with his ideal of a more tolerant Empire.

Magneto from X-Men first class, then man was hurting.

I guess Poison Ivy as well, depending which one you go with.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

I want to say Magneto, seeing as he feels that just trying to make peace with the humans who hate them... even if he isn't helping their perception of mutants any...

 

[Heronblade]

Borderlands 2, near the end we see another side of Handsome Jack, a more human side, and I kinda didn't want to have to kill him after that.
Loki in the Marvel films. Anyone who wants to kill that smug team of jackasses gets a green thumbs up from me. Same with the duo in home alone. Just kill the blondie, for me, please?

If it is the moment I'm thinking of, that event made me want to kill him even more.

Its a sick man who gets love mixed up with control and exploitation.

OT: The Illuminati of the assassin's creed series. Some of their specific plots I would oppose without hesitation, but as much as I enjoy playing the games, I find their overall goals, planning, and foresight to be significantly better than that of the opposition. The assassins just seem to sow chaos and death without really building things up.

 

[TheIceQueen]

Chaos Marines... well, it depends on the Chapter, so I will just pick one. The Night Lords. They do horrible, awful things to people, and they have done so even back when the Emperor was still around. They claim they did it because everyone else was to afraid to do it and that it was necessary, and that the Emperor cast them out just for doing what he created them for.
And they are kind of right.
Don't get me wrong, they are still not good guys, but I can understand their feeling of betrayal. They helped unite humanity under the hand of their glorious Emperor, and they were cast out just for their cruel tactics.

An even better example are the Thousand Sons, especially Magnus the Red himself. He spots Horus' shenanigans a mile off and tries to send a warning to the Emperor by the quickest means available to him. What does Daddy do in thanks? Why, he sends one of his other children to rough Magnus up, because he used sorcery to call home. Add in Horus 'misrepresenting' Leman Russ's orders, and suddenly you find the thousand sons being screwed over by both sides of the civil war. It's almost understandable that they slipped off to do their own thing, even if it is somewhat ethically dubious.

Well, actually, he kind of got a lot of people killed. Tzeentch corrupted him while he was in the Warp and used Magnus the Red to breach the wards that were inside the Imperial Palace. With the wards broken, a bunch of warp entities were allowed to get into Terra and killed a bunch of people, thousands of them.

Daddy said no and when his son didn't listen, he got lots of people killed, allowed Tzeentch to establish some control over him that would later fully take over, and weakened Terra somewhat.

OT: Lucifer from Supernatural. He's just so charming and he's got that sass! I can also sympathize with him a bit and understand what it was like for him.

 

[RandV80]

The CIS and Empire in Star Wars. (I made a long post about that a few weeks back)

Honestly the problem with the Empire is we don't get to see or understand much about them in the first hand source material (just the movies), other than the fact that they needed a villain and made them look like Nazi's. The rebel's want to 'restore order' to the Galaxy, but the Empire seems like the best institution to maintain order. We're never given a reason why the Empire is all a bunch of white dudes while the other side is multicultural, what sort of benefit the Emperor/Vader get out of ruling the Galaxy, or even what sort of evil acts they commit as practitioners of the 'dark' of the force.

In the real world when someone gains the power of a dictatorship they surround themselves with wealth & women. But the Emperor and Vader just live in cold sterile places with plenty of power but no real signs of wealth. The only benefit I can see for them is that they can force choke or lightning blast whoever the **** they want.

So if I was a Sith Lord...
"Oh so you're a 5 star general?"
"Yes Lord Rand!"
"Your... shoes untied"
"urkkgrlbgrlbrgrbl"

I guess I could see the appeal!

 

[Storm Dragon]

Scorpius from Farscape. Sure, he's done some pretty cruel things over the course of the show, but the Scarrans are kind of a problem that needs to be dealt with, and I don't see anyone else suggesting a better idea.

 

[bigfatcarp93]

Dr. Horrible (Billy) from Dr. Horrible's Sing-along Blog.
His objective is to enact real positive social change, he believes that this can only be done by a sufficiently intelligent person holding total power over the world.
Honestly I find his basic reasoning to be sound, and an attitude of "you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs" would be necessary to achieve an objective like that, where he fails is in not taking the whole "absolute power corrupts absolutely" factor in to consideration, as well as possibly not having a long-term plan to keep the reins of power in the hands of someone who is willing to do the necessary things for world betterment after he is gone.

Yeah, pretty much this. Also:

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Malcolm Merlyn.

Maybe I wouldn't have done it (his plan to

Spoiler

level the Glades

), but after hearing his reasoning, I'm not sure I'd have stopped him.

 

[Tanis]

Ra's al Ghul (Batman):
!DEPENDS ON THE VERSION!
Often times, in various arcs, I can see where he's coming from.
Ra's Al Ghul is 100s and 100s of years old.
Having seen the human race evolved both socially and technology.
He's breathed fresh air, bathed in clean rivers, and eaten foot untouched by the DNA of a frog.
It's easy for me to understand why he does what he does.

Poison Ivy (Batman):
!SEE ABOVE!
She can literately FEEL and HEAR the tears and fears of the Earth.

 

[Therumancer]

So I have been watching some Naruto lately, and there is this one guy that basically wants to hypnotize the whole world happy, and I find myself thinking "How is this guy so bad? I actually like this idea" which I dont think is the point? Or maybe it is, I don't know.


Anyways, it made me think about other villans out there that did something I did not consider to be wrong or at least not that terrible.

So which villan do you find yourself agreeing with?

Well, in my case it comes down to situations where the villain is doing something terrible for the right reasons and it will probably work, but the heroes who wind up fighting him don't really have any viable alternative solutions to the central problem.

It doesn't happen all that often, but sometimes it seems like writers and creators don't think things through. You have some kind of scenario like where a scientist decides he's going to wipe out a city in order to prevent an infection creating mutated monsters from getting out. The heroes come along and stop the guy because "it's wrong to kill all these innocent people" and then the people die anyway, and the monsters escape and go rampaging through the countryside. The heroes might eventually stop them but at the end of the day like twenty times as many innocent people are dead. Usually I wind up thinking the heroes are mental furballs. In a lot of cases though I think things like this are done to give the hero a personal stake in the eventual crisis and some responsibility for it's origins, but oftentimes I usually just feel like I'm supposed to be cheering for a moron who doesn't deserve audience sympathy. This is a big different of course if the protagonist doesn't know the stakes involved, but in a lot of cases they do, and are acting because "I must protect innocent people, there must be another way!" when there really isn't one, and the guy doing whatever extreme thing the hero is stopping him from doing it just had to make a really intense 11th hour judgement call to
begin with.

I think Alan Moore saw this happening in a number of stories as well, which is kind of what the finale of "Watchmen" was all about and why it subverted the tropes. The heroes failed to stop Ozymandias from blowing up Manhattan and making it look like aliens did it, and through their failure allowed him to prevent World War III from starting and save the world. An end that is kind of brilliant when you get down to it.

Albeit in a lot of cases I find this kind of thing in "horror" movies. You know where infected heroes in a zombie or "rage virus" movie (like "The Crazies") escape despite the odds, bypass murderous government quarantine and then bring the problem typhoid-mary style into another bigger population. I mean yeah, okay, you don't want to be murdered, but I have no sympathy if you have no plans not to isolate yourselves, if your going to flee to the nearest huge city your kind of proving the point of exactly why those "evil" government CDC guys wanted to snuff you....

In short it's cases where the guy doing the story really doesn't think the situation through in writing it. In giving everyone what he hopes are realistic motives for doing what he is doing, he inadvertently makes the bad guys kind of into the good guys who have to do something really ugly, and the good guys into well intentioned, bumbling, morons with no sense of the big picture. In cases like this the whole "hero" thing only works if the hero has some kind of equally viable solution and the villain decides to do whatever ugly thing he had planned anyway.

 

[teebeeohh]

The Eldar are ridiculed for some of their "EXACTLY AS I PLANNED" bullshit, seeing as they can do stupid stuff the plot requires only to see it paying off later. And also they would be ok with sacrificing all of humanity for a handful of Eldar. That too. Oh, and the also created one of the Chaos Gods just by being too hedonistic.
But... at least they see their problem. They actively try to live in a way that prevents them from falling to Chaos, by dividing their lives into "Paths", sections dedicated to a certain role. They don't kill unless it's necessary and they would be ok with humanity if humans weren't so genocidal and fanatic.

how do you blame the eldar for the creating a chaos god? aren't the current eldar kinda the survivalist nutjobs of the 40k universe, who deliberately turned away from excess? shouldn't you be blaming the dark eldar who are directly responsible for this and didn't even have the decency to die in the resulting clusterfuck?

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Borderlands 2, near the end we see another side of Handsome Jack, a more human side, and I kinda didn't want to have to kill him after that.
Loki in the Marvel films. Anyone who wants to kill that smug team of jackasses gets a green thumbs up from me. Same with the duo in home alone. Just kill the blondie, for me, please?

If it is the moment I'm thinking of, that event made me want to kill him even more.

Its a sick man who gets love mixed up with control and exploitation.

I'm with you.

One man's happiness does not measure up to the gleeful acts of remorseless killing and pillaging. Even in instances where it didn't even connect to his main goal. His death by my hand was assured once I found out what he was doing.

 

[FalloutJack]

Black Mage? As in 8 Bit Theatre? I can sympathize with him, 'cause if everyone on Earth is this stupid they deserve to be wiped out.

"It's funny 'cause he's dead."

Yeah, by a strange quirk of fate, BM might be the only sane man alive there. He's evil as h- No, he's actually worse than that. But still, as evil as he is...

Fighter is a moron,
Thief is ridiculously greedy,
And Red Mage is Red Mage.

I'd count White Mage, but she is - besides herself - not a man, ergo a divergent trope.