Violent criminals getting out on bond is ridiculous.

[AngelOfBlueRoses]

I find it odd how this devolved in to nitpicking over word usage and taxonomic nomenclature. Some peoples priorities are really screwed up. Probably the words of people who haven't been the victim or closely know a victim of a violent crime. If someone you care for were to get brutally murdered, I'd bet you wouldn't jibber on and nitpick word usage.

Because there's no particular discussion value to this. Yes, we could all talk about how this is a terrible thing and shouldn't have happened. Yes, this is an abhorrent crime that has destroyed one person's life and left another two in shambles, not just counting the other friends and families, but The Escapist isn't a site -for- that. Inherently, there's nothing really to discuss other than 'what a tragedy' because that's really all that people can talk about here.

So, when you roll in with the word 'animal,' yeah people are going to latch on because if you -hadn't- used that word, this would have most likely fallen by the wayside far faster than most topics because The Escapist simply isn't a place for it since there are rules in place to weed out lack of content and contribution and by the fifth person that says 'Wow, that's horrible!' there really aren't many ways to say "Wow, that's horrible" left.

OT: Wow, that's horrible.

 

[BoogieManFL]

To be honest I really have never heard of The Daily Mail before today, I just wanted to give everyone a relevant example. The sites with more information are the websites of local news stations are are mostly just links to videos, which most people probably wouldn't take the time to watch but would likely at least skim a written story.

 

[BoogieManFL]

I find it odd how this devolved in to nitpicking over word usage and taxonomic nomenclature. Some peoples priorities are really screwed up. Probably the words of people who haven't been the victim or closely know a victim of a violent crime. If someone you care for were to get brutally murdered, I'd bet you wouldn't jibber on and nitpick word usage.

Because there's no particular discussion value to this. Yes, we could all talk about how this is a terrible thing and shouldn't have happened. Yes, this is an abhorrent crime that has destroyed one person's life and left another two in shambles, not just counting the other friends and families, but The Escapist isn't a site -for- that. Inherently, there's nothing really to discuss other than 'what a tragedy' because that's really all that people can talk about here.

So, when you roll in with the word 'animal,' yeah people are going to latch on because if you -hadn't- used that word, this would have most likely fallen by the wayside far faster than most topics because The Escapist simply isn't a place for it since there are rules in place to weed out lack of content and contribution and by the fifth person that says 'Wow, that's horrible!' there really aren't many ways to say "Wow, that's horrible" left.

OT: Wow, that's horrible.

Sometimes you just need to vent your frustrations. And if even 1% of the people who viewed this thread shared the story or their thoughts with others, it was a win. But sadly things like this happen with such frequency most people take it in strike as "just another day".

 

[McMullen]

To be honest I really have never heard of The Daily Mail before today, I just wanted to give everyone a relevant example. The sites with more information are the websites of local news stations are are mostly just links to videos, which most people probably wouldn't take the time to watch but would likely at least skim a written story.

Interesting that you've been a member longer than I, but have not heard of the Daily Mail before. This is where I first learned of it, though I've since heard of it in many other places too.

It's somewhere between Fox News and a tabloid as far as credibility goes. Many of the things they publish stories about actually happen in some way, but the details and context are twisted well into fantasy-land until the article has little resemblance to what actually happened. Also, if they interview someone, all bets are off. The article will have them say whatever the writer wishes they'd said.

 

[AngelOfBlueRoses]

I find it odd how this devolved in to nitpicking over word usage and taxonomic nomenclature. Some peoples priorities are really screwed up. Probably the words of people who haven't been the victim or closely know a victim of a violent crime. If someone you care for were to get brutally murdered, I'd bet you wouldn't jibber on and nitpick word usage.

Because there's no particular discussion value to this. Yes, we could all talk about how this is a terrible thing and shouldn't have happened. Yes, this is an abhorrent crime that has destroyed one person's life and left another two in shambles, not just counting the other friends and families, but The Escapist isn't a site -for- that. Inherently, there's nothing really to discuss other than 'what a tragedy' because that's really all that people can talk about here.

So, when you roll in with the word 'animal,' yeah people are going to latch on because if you -hadn't- used that word, this would have most likely fallen by the wayside far faster than most topics because The Escapist simply isn't a place for it since there are rules in place to weed out lack of content and contribution and by the fifth person that says 'Wow, that's horrible!' there really aren't many ways to say "Wow, that's horrible" left.

OT: Wow, that's horrible.

Sometimes you just need to vent your frustrations. And if even 1% of the people who viewed this thread shared the story or their thoughts with others, it was a win. But sadly things like this happen with such frequency most people take it in strike as "just another day".

I understand you're frustrated. I notice that you're from Florida and maybe this hits home a lot more than it does others, but there just simply isn't much to discuss with this. I offer you my condolences should this event have effected you personally, or even not, but other than that, what can I do? What can I talk about? Nothing, really. So, yes, people will instead latch onto semantics instead because you can get into massive debates over semantics. You can have an actual discussion over semantics.

I am sorry should this loss have effected you, though.

 

[CriticalMiss]

I'm more intrigued that someone survived being shot in the head from what I assume was point-blank range. That guy must have had shit aim.

 

[shootthebandit]

To be honest I really have never heard of The Daily Mail before today, I just wanted to give everyone a relevant example. The sites with more information are the websites of local news stations are are mostly just links to videos, which most people probably wouldn't take the time to watch but would likely at least skim a written story.

Hey buddy not to discredit what your OP says but i would recommend you dont use the dailymail as a source. Its a sensationalist newspaper that in the UK is pretty much disregarded. Im just telling you for future reference.

I agree, its shocking that these people can simply pay to go back into the real world and potentially kill someone else (in this case they have).

Also whats everyones deal with calling them animals? I can think of a lot worse things to call them and i hardly think it trivialises crime. Sure having a little bit of weed is a crime you arent exactly going to call them an animal for possesion of a class C substance but you still know what they did was wrong


For future reference buddy

 

[cerebus23]

Thank our war on drugs, manditory minimums, and privatized prisons, hey crime is big business when you turn most of your populations into criminals.

If we did not have prisons loaded full of non violent drug offenders, then we could lock up the "animals" more and then we could debate the merits of rehabilitation vs locking them up and throwing away the key.

and there are lots of people in this world that are indeed animals all of us in fact. just some of us are less well adjusted than others by light years.

 

[major_chaos]

I'm currently taking a criminal law class in college and my teacher is a lawyer who told us a similar story. My teacher knew a judge who allowed a suspected rapist to be released on bail only for the disgusting piece of shit animal dapper gentleman to find his victim and murder her to prevent her from testifying. Apparently ever though this was years ago the judge still feels awful about it, to the point of loosing sleep.

 

[Weaver]

The prison system in North America (and I'm including Canada here) are designed to make money. Rehabilitation and protection of the public are secondary concerns.

 

[Scarecrow]

If you decide to go brutally murder people in cold blood, you're no longer worthy of being called a person. You are an animal. If you make a living by harming and robbing other people, you are an animal. I bet your tune would change if it was your children that were dragged out and shot in the head by career criminals. 19 year old Alex Zaldivar is dead because violent gun using criminals were trusted to not violate their home curfew and to not seek to harm those they know will testify against them in the previous violent home invasion.

The victims identified them as them as attackers and as the killer of their friend, and as the same who invaded their home previously. They are guilty it's just a matter of time. Beside that's not the point of this post. But that it's insane that people that are known to be violent and are a danger to society can pay some money and go live back in society. Insane.

There are no "animals", like there are no monsters. There are just millions of scared human beings doing their best to get by day to day, and we alienate and other them by calling them these things, so we don't have to address it, and it's a terrible way of dealing with bad human behavior.

That being said, I think this is just a very, very terrible mistake in the justice system. There isn't much more that can be said, in my view.

 

[Da Orky Man]

To be honest I really have never heard of The Daily Mail before today, I just wanted to give everyone a relevant example. The sites with more information are the websites of local news stations are are mostly just links to videos, which most people probably wouldn't take the time to watch but would likely at least skim a written story.

I usually resist jumping into threads like this, but as a native, fish-and-chips eating, bad-guy sounding Brit I'd like to chime in on the matter of the Daily Mail.

Now, I don't know of any clear US comparisons, but the Daily Mail is among the worst of the tabloid newspapers. It isn't nearly as crude as The Sun, which can lead you to thinking it has some credence, but it is the epitome of the 'concerned citizen' view where no-one is ever tough enough on crime, where the immigrants are all destroying traditional British values, and anything more sexual than an ankle is leading to a total moral collapse.

Here's another way of saying it:


They also seem to be in the buisness of declaring every object on Earth to either cause cancer or cure it, with a few items coming under both headings, as can be seen here:

http://kill-or-cure.herokuapp.com/

 

[Rylingo]

They are innocent in the eyes of the law until proven otherwise in a court of law. If you wish to change this, tell me in what way without referencing the Daily Mail.

 

[game-lover]

Tell me they're back in a cage now, right? I clicked the article and saw no other references.

I'm assuming it's well proven considering two of the victims survived that yeah... they're at least guilty for the fucking murder and attempted murders.

For God's sake, someone please charge them! That's really all I can ask for at this point. Wanna let the law decide? Fine. But put them in the fucking court first so the law can decide in the first bloody place.

 

[Vern5]

I'm more intrigued that someone survived being shot in the head from what I assume was point-blank range. That guy must have had shit aim.

Oh it's definitely possible. I've met at least two people who have taken serious damage to the head. One was practically shot between the eyes with a small caliber pistol. The bullet split his lobes but somehow he's still alive. He has "split-brain" of course, but that's a small price to pay for surviving a shot to the head.

OT: Why are criminals, who do unsavory things for money, allowed to use money to emancipate themselves from prison? Who thought this system would end well? They should have to sacrifice something more important in order to get out. Like body parts. In fact, everyone who has been found guilty of murder (not manslaughter) with a firearm should have their trigger fingers removed as a start. Unfortunately, we might end up with a lot of one arm bandits.

 

[Vern5]

I'm more intrigued that someone survived being shot in the head from what I assume was point-blank range. That guy must have had shit aim.

Oh it's definitely possible. I've met at least two people who have taken serious damage to the head. One was practically shot between the eyes with a small caliber pistol. The bullet split his lobes but somehow he's still alive. He has "split-brain" of course, but that's a small price to pay for surviving a shot to the head.

OT: Why are criminals, who do unsavory things for money, allowed to use money to emancipate themselves from prison? Who thought this system would end well? They should have to sacrifice something more important in order to get out. Like body parts. In fact, everyone who has been found guilty of murder (not manslaughter) with a firearm should have their trigger fingers removed as a start. Unfortunately, we might end up with a lot of one arm bandits.

 

[krazykidd]

Long story short, a few animals (with long criminal histories) did a home invasion robbery on a home where a brother, sister, and a friend lived. The police later found and arrested them. But then, some fucking how, these violent career criminals get to pay to be out on bond with "home confinement" but guess what? Turns out criminals don't follow the rules. I know, big surprise. The criminals go BACK to that same house a day before the vitims were to testify against them and dragged them out of their beds, lined them up side by side, and shot them each in the head execution style then went back home. Miraculously, the brother and sister survived the shots and played dead until the killers left and went next door for help.


It's shameful and disgusting that violent criminals with a long history of lawlessness (and used a gun in a home invasion) can pay money and go live comfortably at home while their victims are left traumatized and afraid in their home.


Oh, also in the news a child molester suspect simply cut off his GPS tracker and fled. Because, apparentlyit makes sense that someone like that shouldn't be in jail until his trial if he can pay money. And the tracking company didn't bother to call the police for hours.


What the fuck is wrong with people?



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204985/Alex-Zaldivar-death-Three-friends-lined-shot-head-execution-home-day-theywere-testify-suspects-May-invasion.html

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-17/news/os-witness-killed-alex-zaldivar-20120917_1_home-invasion-pine-hills-home-shot-multiple-times

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/man-accused-of-sexually-abusing-children-missing/-/1637132/21752804/-/11ix8d8z/-/index.html

Does innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you? If we start locking up people wily-nily like that , we are going to have a lot of problems , especially since people are falsely accused all the time . Hell we got falsely accused people convicted for crimed they didn't commit ! But that's a discussion for another time .

 

[BoogieManFL]

Long story short, a few animals (with long criminal histories) did a home invasion robbery on a home where a brother, sister, and a friend lived. The police later found and arrested them. But then, some fucking how, these violent career criminals get to pay to be out on bond with "home confinement" but guess what? Turns out criminals don't follow the rules. I know, big surprise. The criminals go BACK to that same house a day before the vitims were to testify against them and dragged them out of their beds, lined them up side by side, and shot them each in the head execution style then went back home. Miraculously, the brother and sister survived the shots and played dead until the killers left and went next door for help.


It's shameful and disgusting that violent criminals with a long history of lawlessness (and used a gun in a home invasion) can pay money and go live comfortably at home while their victims are left traumatized and afraid in their home.


Oh, also in the news a child molester suspect simply cut off his GPS tracker and fled. Because, apparentlyit makes sense that someone like that shouldn't be in jail until his trial if he can pay money. And the tracking company didn't bother to call the police for hours.


What the fuck is wrong with people?



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204985/Alex-Zaldivar-death-Three-friends-lined-shot-head-execution-home-day-theywere-testify-suspects-May-invasion.html

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-17/news/os-witness-killed-alex-zaldivar-20120917_1_home-invasion-pine-hills-home-shot-multiple-times

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/man-accused-of-sexually-abusing-children-missing/-/1637132/21752804/-/11ix8d8z/-/index.html

Does innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you? If we start locking up people wily-nily like that , we are going to have a lot of problems , especially since people are falsely accused all the time . Hell we got falsely accused people convicted for crimed they didn't commit ! But that's a discussion for another time .

Yeah, well, those innocent until proven guilty life-long criminals with extensive criminal records attempted to execute 3 people, seriously injuring 2 and killing one. So how did that work out? Did you even read?

 

[krazykidd]

Long story short, a few animals (with long criminal histories) did a home invasion robbery on a home where a brother, sister, and a friend lived. The police later found and arrested them. But then, some fucking how, these violent career criminals get to pay to be out on bond with "home confinement" but guess what? Turns out criminals don't follow the rules. I know, big surprise. The criminals go BACK to that same house a day before the vitims were to testify against them and dragged them out of their beds, lined them up side by side, and shot them each in the head execution style then went back home. Miraculously, the brother and sister survived the shots and played dead until the killers left and went next door for help.


It's shameful and disgusting that violent criminals with a long history of lawlessness (and used a gun in a home invasion) can pay money and go live comfortably at home while their victims are left traumatized and afraid in their home.


Oh, also in the news a child molester suspect simply cut off his GPS tracker and fled. Because, apparentlyit makes sense that someone like that shouldn't be in jail until his trial if he can pay money. And the tracking company didn't bother to call the police for hours.


What the fuck is wrong with people?



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204985/Alex-Zaldivar-death-Three-friends-lined-shot-head-execution-home-day-theywere-testify-suspects-May-invasion.html

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-17/news/os-witness-killed-alex-zaldivar-20120917_1_home-invasion-pine-hills-home-shot-multiple-times

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/man-accused-of-sexually-abusing-children-missing/-/1637132/21752804/-/11ix8d8z/-/index.html

Does innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you? If we start locking up people wily-nily like that , we are going to have a lot of problems , especially since people are falsely accused all the time . Hell we got falsely accused people convicted for crimed they didn't commit ! But that's a discussion for another time .

Yeah, well, those innocent until proven guilty life-long criminals with extensive criminal records attempted to execute 3 people, seriously injuring 2 and killing one. So how did that work out? Did you even read?

The exception doesn't make the rule. Sure it does happen, however, hindsight is 20/20. And stating that after the fact is completly pointless.

Edit: It happens sometimes, it doesn't other times. How about all the other times it doesn't ? Should everyone be punished because of a few cases where it doesn'T work out ?