Wait, Why the Hell is That Considered "Legendary?"

[wadark]

All you're really talking about is a difference between your opinion and "popular" opinion. Almost everyone in this thread has used something along the terms of "I don't understand why".

That's the whole thing. I may not understand why Hannah Montana is popular, and I really don't think that Miley Cyrus is a good singer, but she's very popular in her own right, and she's probably making a decent stack of cash on it, so it can't be all that bad, not for her anyway.

It just strikes me that your focus might be to assign an "objective" quality value to an inherently subjective medium. I resolutely contend that there are no such things as good or bad movies. There are movies that more people and fewer people liked. I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me on that, and will CERTAINLY let me know. But anyway.

 

[InnerRebellion]

The Detroit garage scene EXPLODED into popular culture because of Jack White. Without him you wouldn't have The Strokes, the Black Keys, The Hives, Franz Ferdinand, etc--the list goes on.

....that's a good thing? I fucking hate those bands.

And I own their Elephant album. It's good, yes, but life altering? Really? I was more moved by the most recent An Cafe album.

Normally, I don't tend to agree with you, Julian, but I'm with you on this one.

OT: I don't see why Eminem is seen as a fucking hero. He's just a rapper. Same with Lil' Wayne and the others.

 

[Cain_Zeros]

Or someone may say that the Beatles aren't good in their opinion, but you can't for a second deny that they changed the music industry and heavily influenced practically everyone after them.

Actually I can, and have many times. But it's one of those arguments that's not worth having because it won't accomplish anything and will just devolve into a flame war.

Or even The Catcher in the Rye, which is considered to be the greatest piece of literature of the last 100 years

Is it really? It's an alright book, but I've read way better.

I think I demonstrated right there that I can understand the feeling of not understanding why things are highly regarded.

 

[Thaius]

Heavily praised, sure. But typically if something has withstood the test of time, I see value in it regardless of my opinion. Citizen Kane, for instance. I watched it, and I could see how it was influential in the art of film at the time. I personally thought it was just okay (though yes, the cinematography was incredible). Typically, stuff like that has an effect that cannot be denied. For instance, if one of us saw Star Wars for the first time now, it might seem a little cliche: but pretty much any cliche it had, it created. That has to be understood when dealing with highly-revered older things, and games are no exception.

 

[Julianking93]

I'll allow the rest of the bands to be ripped on

You'd better throw Kings of Leon in there too, just to be safe.

What's funny is that I loved their early stuff. Reminiscent of early 70s rock.

Then for whatever reason, they just ended up sounding like Coldplay.

 

[Catalyst6]

Eh, it's all about context. Those "legendary" things were incredibly innovative and controversial when they were created, but in our "enlightened" modern day they seem boring and cliche.

 

[Dapper Ninja]

There are a lot of responses I could make to this thread that will just be said by at least three other people anyway, so I'll try to come up with something original.

The Dark Knight Returns. It's considered one of the greatest graphic novels of all time. It's often considered as good as works like Sandman and Watchmen. It is neither. It's shit.

 

[Julianking93]

Is it really? It's an alright book, but I've read way better.

I think I demonstrated right there that I can understand the feeling of not understanding why things are highly regarded.

I'd question why you don't think the Beatles were revolutionary, but I don't want to start a flame war.

Yes, though, the Catcher in the Rye is considered one of the greatest literary achievements of all time. Why, I don't know, nor do I care, but it's true that people think that.

 

[Julianking93]

I totally agree with you on the whole "legendary" review concept. I don't know if you watch sports, but every year it's the "best superbowl ever!" or "best NBA finals series ever!!!" to every sportscaster. I guess they just have terrible memories.

I do not but I'm sure that get's annoying.

 

[spartan231490]

especially with classic lit. a lot of it is really good, shakespear, adn skarlet letter, but some blows. the catcher in the rye, and the great gatsby come to mind.

 

[Cain_Zeros]

I'd question why you don't think the Beatles were revolutionary, but I don't want to start a flame war.

Probably the best choice. But I really do think The Doors were far more influential (and I shall leave it at that).

Yes, though, the Catcher in the Rye is considered one of the greatest literary achievements of all time. Why, I don't know, nor do I care, but it's true that people think that.

I guess it's the same thing with Lord of the Flies, another average-at-best book that's praised unceasingly.

 

[Dapper Ninja]

The best example I can think of on this subject is Half Life 2. The most average shooter ever made.
It's the story of a power-armored non-character as he saves the free world with two fistfulls of lead shot out of generic weapons at generically evil aliens while assisted by a shoehorned in love interest and a minority sidekick who happen to be the same person.

Your argument falls apart right about here.

 

[Zackary Yakumo]

any social site in my opinion is overrated. Also , most of the halo sreies. now, before i get flamed or hate-mailed, i want to say something important about halo.

Halo: Combat Evolved was a great game. I thought someone had made anoother Goldeneye. but then after halo 2, the serie's bright gold medallions crumbled into ash to me.

And I dont even need to explain myself on ythe social sites.

 

[Ralen-Sharr]

I have to agree with Julianking93 on many points. I really viewed Oasis as a ripoff of a band I really don't like anyway, so there's no way I'll give them any credibility.

Watched as much of that White Stripes vid that was linked above. Maybe there is something to the lyrics but musically it's not my cup of tea.

There are craploads of things that I will never understand why they even became popular, much less "legendary". Although I can't help but feel that some of it is the herd mentality. It really makes me laugh when someone can't answer WHY they like something they claim is so great. I've been given answers like "it's (name of whatever popular thing)".

 

[lacktheknack]

I personally don't "get" Tetris. It's fun, but it only holds my attention for about ten minutes at a time, and I forget about it afterwards. It's certainly not <link=http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/09/10/uk.plane.mobile/index.html>worth getting jailed over.

 

[Julianking93]

Probably the best choice. But I really do think The Doors were far more influential (and I shall leave it at that).

....oh god I want to argue that statement. But I won't! You have your opinions and that's fine....

And I actually liked Lord of the Flies. Well at least more than the Catcher in the Rye.

any social site in my opinion is overrated. Also , most of the halo sreies. now, before i get flamed or hate-mailed, i want to say something important about halo.

Halo: Combat Evolved was a great game. I thought someone had made anoother Goldeneye. but then after halo 2, the serie's bright gold medallions crumbled into ash to me.

And I dont even need to explain myself on ythe social sites.

I want to know who the hell says something like Twitter is legendary and ground breaking.

I will say though that social networking really is amazing. Or really, amazing how much it has caught on and changed the way people use the internet.

Do I like them? Hell no, Facebook is the most annoying thing ever but I will say it's changed the web.

 

[Dango]

I kinda agree with you on Catcher in The Rye, I mean I liked it, but it wasn't amazing.

This also applies to Call of Duty 4 and Mass Effect. I loved Call of Duty games up until 4, and generally enjoyed Bioware games until Mass Effect, I don't get it, but I hate them both.

This also applies to one movie in particular: Minority Report. It was just bad, it doesn't deserve any of the praise it gets, at all. It was just a generic action movie with a predictable plot. That is all.

 

[Snotnarok]

Legendary maybe in the persons eyes? I thought Phantasy Star IV was quite an incredible game for the time where spites and text where how an RPG was communicated, yet in PSIV you get comic book-like cutscenes! It was really really impressive that they did all that and it fit on the cartridge, and it wasn't the typical RPG where it's medieval times with dwarves and elves and what not...Well there was an elf, a Newman but still, point being it was in the future in another world and really was interesting.

Today it might not seem impressive but then? It was really something for me, I still play it, it's one of those games that actually holds up vs some other games you remember being good but playing it now ....not so much. Though while I see this as an amazing title many who look at it now might not see it remotely as impressive as I did. Maybe it's the times, personal taste, I dunno.

 

[Canid117]

I honestly can't understand why people liked it, let alone loved it.

because back in the 1940s it was edgy. Now that no one cares if a fifteen year old says damn every two hundred words or so its just a book about a whiny ***** with mommy and daddy issues.