War is Boring
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No, I completely agree. Though there's very few FPS games in general that I really enjoy.
It's just not the most fascinating subject anymore.
It's just not the most fascinating subject anymore.
The way a war is fought changes...yes, but not war itself. War will always stay the same, no matter what cause, what reason, what justification one might think he has for fighting, it will always stay the same, blind, mindless slaughter it has always been.The Cheezy One said:
Well, I don´t find "War games" to be boring...they enjoy me for an hour or two, then I turn them off and go do something else. Also, there is such a HUGE variety of "war" games, like the CODs, where the war truely feels big and epic, and the tendency for your character to die, the MOH, where it doesn´t generally and you get the feeling it all depends on you. And the kind which boasts with relative realism, giving you the extra challenge of not just running and gunning down hundreds of foes with your twitch reflexes. Also there are the RTSes, which can boast epic wars, like Starcraft, Command and Conquer, etc. You get the idea.
Oh, and fun fact. Alot of people go about a WW1 game or a "realistic war game" with the notion of "boom and you die, soooo much fun /sarcasm". But did these people EVER notice, how often your player character in the COD franchise died? Practically every player character died at some point...I think only 4 or so made it through one game, and this includes Soap and Price. One character even died after you played him for A MINUTE! So how can dieing constantly be so boring if it is done multiple times in a franchise with the numbers to show off?
Modern shooters are boring. The action is constant and the killing is easy and endless. The battlefield refuses to change in response to player input unless you do the exact right thing. It's ephemeral and nothing happens without you. There's no fear in it, and hence no motivation to do anything a real person would.
The answer is to play Arma 2. In the terms of mainstream fps it is the most 'boring' game imaginable. Until you piss your pants (a good soundmod helps).
The answer is to play Arma 2. In the terms of mainstream fps it is the most 'boring' game imaginable. Until you piss your pants (a good soundmod helps).
I'm not a huge fan of the war shooter games. I used to be, but like you, I've grown somewhat bored of them. It's not that they aren't cool occasionally, but they all just have the same feel that for some reason makes the game seem somewhat shallow. It's not that other games don't have the shallow bit, but most games don't try to sell on the reality aspect of the game, like the war ones do.
That's an empty platitude. Ancient warfare has more in common with a knifing on a street corner than it does with Operation Gothic Serpent (of Blackhawk Down fame), and the 1999 bombing of Kosovo was nothing like the Somme or Darfur. You might as well say that murder never changes.Chrinik said:
I was getting bored of WW2 shooters, and was happy that most developers were jumping ship into modern warfare. I'm bored of THAT now, even quicker than WW2.Siris said:
You my friend, need to get a change of perspective. I suggest looking into the franchise Warhammer 40,00. If you're rich enough, try out the tabletop war-game and get a group going, or even better (and easier) find a group to join.
The table-top WILL keep you interested and busy, and the games that have been released for it, The Dawn of War games, and the upcoming third-person-shooter Space Marine and the upcoming MMO, Dark Millennium, should keep you equally busy.
Good day, and PRAISE THE GOD EMPEROR OF MANKIND!
I almost fell asleep during Modern Warfare 2.
For the most part, I steered clear of the Modern Military FPS genre. It didn't really appeal to me and I was never a big army buff. But at one point a few months ago, I decided to give MW2 a try. It was a critically acclaimed game that enormous numbers of people love, so there must be something to it, right?
I made it as far as the Russian invasion of USA. Somehow the game managed to be dull and hyperactive at the same time. I had no idea what was going on, I was constantly being frantically given directions and told to do things without any context. I couldn't relate to my character(s) in any way. The only level that I found be any fun was the one where I had to infiltrate the russian airport and retrieve a sattelite.
But when I realized I was in a situation where russian paratroopers were invading continental USA and the game designers managed to somehow make it boring, I gave up.
Now, I can usually accept that people have different tastes and like different things, but I honestly can't imagine how this game could appeal to anyone except 12-16 year olds with ADD. I do apologise for that comment to anyone who was offended by it, I know it wasn't a fair thing to say, but seriously, how can you play that stuff?
For the most part, I steered clear of the Modern Military FPS genre. It didn't really appeal to me and I was never a big army buff. But at one point a few months ago, I decided to give MW2 a try. It was a critically acclaimed game that enormous numbers of people love, so there must be something to it, right?
I made it as far as the Russian invasion of USA. Somehow the game managed to be dull and hyperactive at the same time. I had no idea what was going on, I was constantly being frantically given directions and told to do things without any context. I couldn't relate to my character(s) in any way. The only level that I found be any fun was the one where I had to infiltrate the russian airport and retrieve a sattelite.
But when I realized I was in a situation where russian paratroopers were invading continental USA and the game designers managed to somehow make it boring, I gave up.
Now, I can usually accept that people have different tastes and like different things, but I honestly can't imagine how this game could appeal to anyone except 12-16 year olds with ADD. I do apologise for that comment to anyone who was offended by it, I know it wasn't a fair thing to say, but seriously, how can you play that stuff?
That's because every war game ever since Medal of Honor has been trying to recreate the Normandy landing scene from Saving Private Ryan, and they've all failed to do so because they've been unable to capture the sense of dread and fear going into battle like that scene did.
These games try to make war seem "cool" in a sense that would attract 14 year olds and their opinion of war.
These games try to make war seem "cool" in a sense that would attract 14 year olds and their opinion of war.
wanna see how boring the irak/afgang war was ?... they filmed a book that a soldier wrote how the war was in 2002.. it became the HBO mini series "Generation Kill" its awesome ^^ and funny 
Spoilers FTL!
I managed to see up to "Sniping" and then blank out from there! Sorry I can't read the rest of your post, but I knew it would be some kind of spoiler so I ignored every other part of it after that word.
I managed to see up to "Sniping" and then blank out from there! Sorry I can't read the rest of your post, but I knew it would be some kind of spoiler so I ignored every other part of it after that word.
I think that's just your opinion. I haven't played through the entire Black Ops campaign but the levels I did play I found pretty fun.
And after a knifing on the street corner, do the participants rape your wife, empty your fridge, burn your house down and leave, maybe even with nothing but scorn for you?maturin said:
Also, a knifing on a street corner usually does not involve prior planning, strategy and tactics, it is usually only a few people with pointy sharp things going at each other.
No it is not...think about it. Also, War is not murder. War is not only the killing of other people. Which is why I said it is "mindless". War is alot of other things that don´t involve fighting. Politics, despair, hunger, death, fear, sorrow... If you fail to understand that, then you can never understand why war will never change.
And for soldiers, it is the most prevallent. Sure, you don´t have to WALK everywhere now, but the daily life of a soldier on the front has changed very little.
Why else would you knife someone except to rape and pillage? The cavemen didn't have skinheads.Chrinik said:
And if you got four hundred of your friends to help, it would suddenly qualify as the mythically unchanging quality known as war? Or should we just say "Mass violence. Mass violence never changes."
And how is war mindless killing *because* it involves politics, while other killings are not? Violence among families, neighbors, friends and inside families can involve all the dynamics you mentioned.
The daily life of soldiers on the front lines has changed because there didn't use to be front lines.
The similarities between two tribes having an arranged skirmish over a matter of honor, or a raid to seize food, and NATO bombing Serbia in order to force a political decision are so broad and all-encompassing as to be meaningless. Two champions fighting a duel to decided a conflict between feudal lords versus the slaughter of thousands of people because they adhere to an abstract political idea or adhere to some vague philosophical construct?
Sorry, Fallout.