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Kerg3927 said:
BTW, apparently they are going to retcon some things [https://www.pcgamesn.com/warcraft-iii-reforged/wow-changes-retcon] to make it more consistent with WoW's lore. I hope they don't cheese things up too much, because the WC3 story is ten times better than anything WoW ever came up with.
Annnnnd there goes my pre-order. I was looking forward to it now I'm wallowing in cynicism and pessimism. I have no problems with reimagines but for the sake of WoW. Pffft.
 

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Kerg3927 said:
BTW, apparently they are going to retcon some things [https://www.pcgamesn.com/warcraft-iii-reforged/wow-changes-retcon] to make it more consistent with WoW's lore. I hope they don't cheese things up too much, because the WC3 story is ten times better than anything WoW ever came up with.
Annnnnd there goes my pre-order. I was looking forward to it now I'm wallowing in cynicism and pessimism. I have no problems with reimagines but for the sake of WoW. Pffft.
Out of curiosity, what is it you don't like about WOW lore. I have my misgivings but I am curious about how much you know?

Knowing what's gonna be retconned in Warcraft 3 for example. The assault on the Black Temple in the Illidan/Kael'thas campaign will be in Shadowmoon Valley rather then Hellfire Peninsula. Basically a switch from Red Wasteland to Black and Green Wasteland.
 

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If you read the article (and others) you'll see they're not retconning - least not in the sense that you're thinking of. Off the top of my head, the "retcons" I can recall reading about are:

-Changeing the layout of Stratholme to match WoW, and changing its architecture to be less 'random' (the whole 'fish fountain' example)

-Adding a scene that shows Arthas resurrecting Invincible, to explain where he gets his horse in the Scourge campaign

-Adding extra material for Sylvanas and Jaina

-Giving Jaina extra lines in the Horde TFT campaign, to better acknowledge her grief over her father's death

-Addressing the issue of the draenei (this is a bit vague, but it'll probably be along the lines of acknowledging that these are Krokul draenei)

It's "retconning" in the same way that REmake retcons RE1. There's plenty of stuff added, but the core of the story remains the same.

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Like at the end of Rexxar campaign Jaina version of the alliance is slowly becoming friendlier with the horde just to have all of that ignored when you start WoW.
Jaina's not a major figure in the Alliance when WoW starts. I'm also not sure where it conveys the idea of the Alliance becoming "friendier" to the Horde when the people of Theramore have had to stand aside and let the Horde deal with Proudmoore. This is touched on in 'Cycle of Hatred', which, if anything, makes things worse. Plus, there's various other things that contribute to deteriorating relations by WoW (logging in Ashenvale, Alterac Pass dispute, issue of Lordaeron and the Forsaken, the issue of Northwatch, etc.
 

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Jaina's not a major figure in the Alliance when WoW starts. I'm also not sure where it conveys the idea of the Alliance becoming "friendier" to the Horde when the people of Theramore have had to stand aside and let the Horde deal with Proudmoore. This is touched on in 'Cycle of Hatred', which, if anything, makes things worse. Plus, there's various other things that contribute to deteriorating relations by WoW (logging in Ashenvale, Alterac Pass dispute, issue of Lordaeron and the Forsaken, the issue of Northwatch, etc.
She's literally one of the major PvP boss for the alliance...
 

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Meiam said:
Hawki said:
Jaina's not a major figure in the Alliance when WoW starts. I'm also not sure where it conveys the idea of the Alliance becoming "friendier" to the Horde when the people of Theramore have had to stand aside and let the Horde deal with Proudmoore. This is touched on in 'Cycle of Hatred', which, if anything, makes things worse. Plus, there's various other things that contribute to deteriorating relations by WoW (logging in Ashenvale, Alterac Pass dispute, issue of Lordaeron and the Forsaken, the issue of Northwatch, etc.
She's literally one of the major PvP boss for the alliance...
Okay, sure, but how does that change everything else?

Jaina doesn't represent the Alliance as a whole during TFT (though at the time we could easily think so since the fate of human kingdoms bar Lordaeron and Dalaran was left ambiguous). And IIRC, at the time WoW begins, the Alliance is quite ineffectual - the night elves are only there for conveniance, Onyxia's pulling the strings on Stormwind, there's no strong central leadership, etc. The Alliance and Horde falling out after defeating a common enemy has strong real-life parallels (Cold War), and in lore, there's various tensions that erupt.
 

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The Alliance and Horde falling out after defeating a common enemy has strong real-life parallels (Cold War), and in lore, there's various tensions that erupt.
They have a falling out mainly because of racism by Jaina's father and his soldiers. But also because Blizzard needed it to happen so they could have PvP in WoW.
 

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I'll be honest, I'm not that excited, and I absolutely love the first 3 Warcrafts. It looks pretty identical except for a few things I don't consider important and with a bit better graphics. What's the point? I guess if it hits consoles it might be worth it to play it on a different platform?