Warcraft Has Made More Money than Any Other Video Game Movie
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China heavily censors foreign movies that are not pro-Chinese. If they even show them at all. The Chinese citizenry are bored with all the propaganda movies their own industry churns out (Jackie Chan's later movies are very heavy handed), so when movies about giant robots and Orcs come over, they flock to the cinemas to see something that they would deem entertaining by comparison.Zhukov said:
In the Orcs defense, they're actually pretty interesting when it's not about Thrall (unpopular opinion time: LOVED all the lore-stuff that went down in WoD, but man, fuck everything to do with Thrall), and the Orcs in the movie are good (helps that they've got really good actors as well, and their animation is downright beautiful during fight scenes), and since Thrall's just a baby everything isn't drowned by the sheer volume of his Mary Sueness.Halyah said:
The human actors are pretty good too, it's just... yeah, man, really could've done a once-over with the script. The movie *does* get better later on, but early in it feels like nobody is really familiar with their characters and the dialogue is just far too exposition heavy, which drags it down. I get why since they're establishing a lot of shit, but damn, they could've done a lot better with it. King Llane and Lothar do well though, and thankfully they're the major focus for the human characters after the mid-way point.
Even for those sick of Orcs I do still give this a recommendation, since... well, there's no Thrall in it. Technically. He's like, two weeks old, so he's not becoming the Firstborn of the Titans or whatever the fuck is his next power-up.
The Warcraft movie's biggest failing was the clunky exposition up front. I firmly believe that's why it gets all the hate; people get lost in all the names/pacing, lose interest, and then the rest of the movie is just a blatant cgi fest for them. For the people who know most of the names already or who are at least invested enough to keep up, even though it's still a slog at points, the movie really pays itself off with great action and some good character interaction.
I really do hope they make more of these movies because I believe they will be much better if just for the simple fact that there will be fewer characters and less exposition to throw at the audience. If they are going to mirror the original story thread then they need one more movie to setup the orcs defeat so that Thrall can lead them to freedom in the 3rd movie. Then, if that is all successful, we might get the Lich King movie (trilogy?) everyone wants. I'm not holding my breath, but I'll cross my fingers.
Oh but you take that back about Sylvanas. That's my queen you're talking about. I love the undead... frequently.
I really do hope they make more of these movies because I believe they will be much better if just for the simple fact that there will be fewer characters and less exposition to throw at the audience. If they are going to mirror the original story thread then they need one more movie to setup the orcs defeat so that Thrall can lead them to freedom in the 3rd movie. Then, if that is all successful, we might get the Lich King movie (trilogy?) everyone wants. I'm not holding my breath, but I'll cross my fingers.
What's with all the Thrall hating? Granted I'm a classic Warcraft fan, following the RTS games up into the first few expansions of WoW, so maybe they really messed him up after that or in the books... but he was awesome in War3. Admittedly I really did lose interest in him when he stepped down as the Warchief and became some Shaman hobo.Halyah said:
Oh but you take that back about Sylvanas. That's my queen you're talking about. I love the undead... frequently.
As someone who follows WoW without playing it (yeah, played the RTS games, still read the novels, browse Wowpedia, but barely play the actual game, go figure), I think it's down to the fact that once leaving the Horde, Thrall's status was elevated significantly, as he became the new Aspect of Earth. From what I heard, some players resented this in Cataclysm, as Thrall was "the guy" who defeated Deathwing alongside the other dragon aspects. Alliance players were unable to relate to him as well, supposedly.Synigma said:
Moving on, Thrall is also arguably responsible for Garrosh, putting him in charge of the Horde. So, those who hate Garrosh blame Thrall in part for that. Those who loved Garrosh hate Thrall for killing him in Mak'gora, and with shaman magic no less. That's a very broad generalization, but that's the vibe I've picked up over the year.
The last type of complaint I've heard is that Thrall's story is done, yet he's still in the spotlight. This being a setting where Cairne was replaced by Baine, Varian's died and been succeeded by Anduin, Lor'themar is leading the blood elves long after the death of Kael, yet Thrall, one of the oldest characters in the setting, is still around. Oh, and he's arguably Chris Metzen's avatar, but that isn't an inherent negative - Church was pretty much Burnie Burns in Red vs. Blue, Tyrion is arguably George R. Martin, Hermione arguably J.K. Rowling, etc.
I hope you're right clicking. ^_^Synigma said:
So basically what I'm getting from both of you is: Cataclysm ruined everything. Or more specifically the writing for that expansion completely ruined all the remaining characters up to that point. Guess it's a good thing that's when I stopped playing.Halyah said:
That is sad though. I loved Sylvanas as a great fallen character; Stripped of her soul by Frostmourne and filled to the brim with rage from her servitude to Arthas. She was truly as monsterous on the inside as her twisted undead form on the outside.
I love villains like that though, like Mr Freeze from Batman, the kind of villain that you'd shed a tear for... if they weren't trying to murder you and everyone you love.
Well if they ever make it into a cinematic form or get remade in some way hopefully they won't ruin them next time. (Also, Thrall + Jaina for life)
I think if the sequels slowed the hell down a bit and gave the characters more room to talk to each other in a way that isn't pure exposition (The scenes with Durotan and his wife were really good), then I'm all for more movies.
The movies just need to calm down.
The movies just need to calm down.
If there's one thing that critics love to do, it's shit all over video game movies, and who could blame them? They're hardly Oscar Gold, and worst-case scenerio, Uwe Boll comes in and makes things worse. But here's the thing that's always bugged me... does a movie HAVE to be Oscar Gold to be considered Excellent? I don't care whatever awards it didn't win, Hot Fuzz is one of my top five favorite movies. Warcraft was just okay, but because it wasn't as good as any of the latest factory-line-assembled Marvel movies, the critics get pretty harsh.
Personally, I didn't like the film at all; it's too far up it's own ass with Warcraft's expansive mythology and characters that I feel like I'm already supposed to know, but don't have a clue because the only Blizzard game I play is Diablo. A few creative changes could change that around, but I can understand the desire to want to keep Warcraft as accurate as possible, given the aforementioned mythology. You can tell the film-makers really cared about the project, which is rare where games are concerned, but after this movie, I'm kind of worried about Assassin's Creed.
On the subject of video game based movies, can I just leave a confession here and admit that I really, really liked the first Silent Hill movie? Despite that little girl's horrible acting and the Pyramid Head pandering, I thought it was a great adaptation with some really interesting changes made to the source material. Too bad the second one was so awful, having tried to take it all back and be more like the games. Oh well, at least it was fun to see Sean Bean interact with Kit Harington again.
Personally, I didn't like the film at all; it's too far up it's own ass with Warcraft's expansive mythology and characters that I feel like I'm already supposed to know, but don't have a clue because the only Blizzard game I play is Diablo. A few creative changes could change that around, but I can understand the desire to want to keep Warcraft as accurate as possible, given the aforementioned mythology. You can tell the film-makers really cared about the project, which is rare where games are concerned, but after this movie, I'm kind of worried about Assassin's Creed.
On the subject of video game based movies, can I just leave a confession here and admit that I really, really liked the first Silent Hill movie? Despite that little girl's horrible acting and the Pyramid Head pandering, I thought it was a great adaptation with some really interesting changes made to the source material. Too bad the second one was so awful, having tried to take it all back and be more like the games. Oh well, at least it was fun to see Sean Bean interact with Kit Harington again.
I don't think you have to "confess" to liking anything. Well, ideally. Not movies at any rate. I haven't seen Silent Hill, but there's plenty of "decent," if not "good" VG-based mainstream movies out there. IMO, their ranks include Prince of Persia, Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil (the first) and most recently, Warcraft. I've nothing against Silent Hill being liked.Sheo_Dagana said:
Though if Sean Bean didn't die, then that's another matter entirely. ;p