Warhammer 40k vs starwars... is there any possible way for SW to win?

[BlackIronGuardian]

While I do agree that the Imperium could crush the Empire mercilessly, I think everyone should remember that the Galactic Empire suffers from the ''Stormtrooper'' effect. It's not their fault ewoks can take them out, it's good old Georgy's and his poetic license on logic.

 

[Zeke the Freak]

Lets recap so we can all keep pace.
so SW cant beat orks or tyranids (because once they're on the planets its impossible to get rid of them)
SW cant beat Eldar (too technologicly *spelling?* and psykologicly *SPELING?!?* advanced and would obliterate most with a flick of the wrist)
SW cant beat necs (no need to explain)
SW cant beat chaos (again, no need to explain)
so its between SW and the impirium. now i can start my arguement

keep in mind that my arguments are for ground forces because i dont know much about the space ships on either side.

SW vs SM, Space marines have less numbers but better weaponry, armor, and tanks. I dont beleive that a laser can even come close to penetrating SM armor because SM have taken on heretic gaurds befor and came out without barely a scratch *IG lasers are stronger then SW lasers, the IG have been known to fight THROUGH WALLS!*. I beleive with all sincerety that a single chapeter could mop the floors with SW. As well, only needing a single chapter solves the lack of mass communication/transport dilemma.

SW vs IG, This is the situation where SW stands a chance, but ONLY if ALL the factions band together *which is unlikly in its own right*. IG has way more/better troops/tanks, but if the droid factories manage to stay safe then they might be able to fend them back. Unless they bring in the big guns (like titans and higherclass tanks) in which case they're screwed. The psykers will be a huge problem as there are more of them then jedi, and they are stronger ("dont make me push, pull, or zap you!" "dont make me cause you to attack your own allies, freinds and family then cause you to implode on yourself in a brutal, painful death"). The death star is no help at all seeing as how a teenager with a grudge blew it up the first time, plus the impirium has more planets killing devices that they use on a daily basis.

 

[Zeke the Freak]

in short, FOR THE IMPERIUM OF MAN!!!

 

[Zeke the Freak]

Im pretty sure a single SM chapter can more then wipe out the Empire. Im not even sure if lightsabers can cut through the armor. If the armor blocks lasers then it can probably block a lightsaber which is just a short laser with a handle.

 

[Christemo]

Warhammer 40k is 1 of the most well-known science-fiction universes EVER. to win against SW they only need 1 word: titans. the warmachines that are so big that they are 30 meters high and has the firepower of all the 501st legions clones combined (vehics included). also, the spacie marines got a man who are made of the minds of the greatest IRL persons ever. Jesus, Alexander the Great, Mohammed, even Napolion.

 

[Christemo]

Im pretty sure a single SM chapter can more then wipe out the Empire. Im not even sure if lightsabers can cut through the armor. If the armor blocks lasers then it can probably block a lightsaber which is just a short laser with a handle.

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100% correct. lightsabers up their ass. its like setting duke nukem against the enemies of his 3D game. SW ARE FUCKED. power armor can block a thermal detonator, thats how good it is. u dont need a chapter of SWs, u need half a company. if u throwed in 100 Dark Angels in the Death Star, no empire soldier or prisoner would survive 12 hours. even palpatine is dead soon. his force powers is NOTHING compared to a librarian. the librarian would roast his brains and throw them on the grill.

then imagine if u invaded the Death Star with Eldar. everyone of those 100k soldiers aboard dead in 6 hours.

 

[Zeke the Freak]

Im pretty sure a single SM chapter can more then wipe out the Empire. Im not even sure if lightsabers can cut through the armor. If the armor blocks lasers then it can probably block a lightsaber which is just a short laser with a handle.

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100% correct. lightsabers up their ass. its like setting duke nukem against the enemies of his 3D game. SW ARE FUCKED. power armor can block a thermal detonator, thats how good it is. u dont need a chapter of SWs, u need half a company. if u throwed in 100 Dark Angels in the Death Star, no empire soldier or prisoner would survive 12 hours. even palpatine is dead soon. his force powers is NOTHING compared to a librarian. the librarian would roast his brains and throw them on the grill.

then imagine if u invaded the Death Star with Eldar. everyone of those 100k soldiers aboard dead in 6 hours.

Eldar would just blow it up from the outside, 100k soldiers dead in 6 mins.

 

[Zeke the Freak]

Why dont every one in SW have lightsabers, i mean its not like its that heavy and it would make for a better Close Combat weapon then a pistol. A little bit of training and they could be fairly lethal

 

[Christemo]

Im pretty sure a single SM chapter can more then wipe out the Empire. Im not even sure if lightsabers can cut through the armor. If the armor blocks lasers then it can probably block a lightsaber which is just a short laser with a handle.

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100% correct. lightsabers up their ass. its like setting duke nukem against the enemies of his 3D game. SW ARE FUCKED. power armor can block a thermal detonator, thats how good it is. u dont need a chapter of SWs, u need half a company. if u throwed in 100 Dark Angels in the Death Star, no empire soldier or prisoner would survive 12 hours. even palpatine is dead soon. his force powers is NOTHING compared to a librarian. the librarian would roast his brains and throw them on the grill.

then imagine if u invaded the Death Star with Eldar. everyone of those 100k soldiers aboard dead in 6 hours.

Eldar would just blow it up from the outside, 100k soldiers dead in 6 mins.

so fucking true. then imagine the ownage necs would do. 100k soldiers dead on 45 seconds.

 

[Bretty]

The Tyranid will eventually rule all... Deathstar or no

 

[Undead Dragon King]

Heh. Let's see how the Battle of Hoth would have played out had it been a Tau garrison world instead of Rebels:

For argument's sake, let's say that the Empire even managed to even land their ground forces on the planet with no resistance from the Air Caste.

Bork'an Fire Warriors fare much better in colder temperatures than comperable human soldiers. Even Fire Warriors from T'au had no problems fighting in Tyrea and North Vandea on Kronus, so the temperatures wouldn't be a factor.

It wouldn't even be a face-to-face battle like the Rebels put up. While the AT-AT's would be en route to the shield generator, Hammerheads and Broadsides would arrive on the hills surrounding the plain and open fire with their railguns at the defenseless sides of the AT-AT's. Its armor plating, while enough to repel snowspeeder blasters, would be no match for supersonic projectiles that strike with the approximate force of a cruise missile.

With the AT-AT's destroyed and with no immediate danger to the shield generator, then the battle would be more mobile. While Snowtroopers trudge through the drifts on foot, Devilfish would drop off their Fire Warrior teams for long range harrasment and then redeploy them when the Snowtroopes get too close. Stealth teams would be hidden in the drifts and launch surprise attacks on advancing AT-ST's while Crisis teams mop up any stragglers.

This hit-and-run strategy would destroy the coherence of the Imperial Army and leave them listing in the snow. The Fire Warrior teams would then redeploy and capture the remaining Imperial Soldiers and deliver them back to the Tau HQ for medical attention and interrogation.

Even though the Tau garrison would be the same size as the Rebels, they would pull off a fantastic victory over the Empire. For the Greater Good!

 

[Zeke the Freak]

Heh. Let's see how the Battle of Hoth would have played out had it been a Tau garrison world instead of Rebels:

For argument's sake, let's say that the Empire even managed to even land their ground forces on the planet with no resistance from the Air Caste.

Bork'an Fire Warriors fare much better in colder temperatures than comperable human soldiers. Even Fire Warriors from T'au had no problems fighting in Tyrea and North Vandea on Kronus, so the temperatures wouldn't be a factor.

It wouldn't even be a face-to-face battle like the Rebels put up. While the AT-AT's would be en route to the shield generator, Hammerheads and Broadsides would arrive on the hills surrounding the plain and open fire with their railguns at the defenseless sides of the AT-AT's. Its armor plating, while enough to repel snowspeeder blasters, would be no match for supersonic projectiles that strike with the approximate force of a cruise missile.

With the AT-AT's destroyed and with no immediate danger to the shield generator, then the battle would be more mobile. While Snowtroopers trudge through the drifts on foot, Devilfish would drop off their Fire Warrior teams for long range harrasment and then redeploy them when the Snowtroopes get too close. Stealth teams would be hidden in the drifts and launch surprise attacks on advancing AT-ST's while Crisis teams mop up any stragglers.

This hit-and-run strategy would destroy the coherence of the Imperial Army and leave them listing in the snow. The Fire Warrior teams would then redeploy and capture the remaining Imperial Soldiers and deliver them back to the Tau HQ for medical attention and interrogation.

Even though the Tau garrison would be the same size as the Rebels, they would pull off a fantastic victory over the Empire. For the Greater Good!

oh lawds dont even get me started on the tau. no chance.

It would be awsome to have SW vs Orks though. Space Marines have a hard enough time with them, imagine how SW would fair against the green tide.

 

[Phenakist]

Tyranids >> Everything

 

[fix-the-spade]

What are your thoughts on this?

From an objective perspective:

In the Star Wars universe they've mastered inter-galactic space travel, trans galactic communication is easily available, they've mastered mass production of warships, energy shields/weapons and the entirety of space is largely united into two or three major factions.

The Warhammer universe is massively divided, even the most advanced races cannot travel beyond the edges of one galaxy and no species possesses both the means and the ability to mass produce starships (well, arguably two can), communication takes months or years assuming the message ever gets there at all. They also lack Jedi, if your going to pick a fight with someone you need to have some Jedi, because the Jedi never truly lose.

In technological, tactical and numerical terms it's difficult to see how the Star Wars universe could possibly lose.

 

[Danny Ocean]

Warhammer 40k is 1 of the most well-known science-fiction universes EVER. to win against SW they only need 1 word: titans. the warmachines that are so big that they are 30 meters high and has the firepower of all the 501st legions clones combined (vehics included). also, the spacie marines got a man who are made of the minds of the greatest IRL persons ever. Jesus, Alexander the Great, Mohammed, even Napolion.

30 meters? Try 30 fucking miles!

 

[Apocalyptic-Bob]

Do remember, that the whole point of Star Wars, is to be a *somewhat* belivable sci-fi fantasy universe, based around a single empire with little strife.
The WH40K world is not supposed to be believable. Every soldier is a hero, every psycher can destroy worlds, and every ship can decimate planets. This whole universe has zero political, or even racial (species), stability.
The Star Wars universe would likely win in the long run, though the 40K universe would win in any battle, the only factions that aren't dieing out, from my understanding, are the Tau, Tyranids, and Orks. The Eldar openly admit they are dieing. The humans are collapsing, from over-expansion, deteriorating genetics, and technological stagnation. Chaos goes with the humans. Dark Eldar can't make it without slaves. And the Necrons only exist to fight the old gods, who, if left alone, wouldn't have woken in the first place.
All the Star Wars universe would have to do, would be to flee, using their strange, non (The) Warp drives, and wait for the Imperium to forget about them. The Eldar wouldn't care, Orks would get lost, Tau would ignore, and Chaos would be too concerned with the Imperium, to follow.
After a few thousand years, far away from everything, the Star Wars universe would come into contact with the Orks, Tau, or Tyranids, whichever was last surviving.

 

[Mr.Caine]

What? No Sun Crusher or Galaxy Guns? Besides who needs lightsabers when you have The Force? In KOTOR II a single Sith killed an entire planet by thinking it...

 

[Apocalyptic-Bob]

Lets recap so we can all keep pace.
so SW cant beat orks or tyranids (because once they're on the planets its impossible to get rid of them)
SW cant beat Eldar (too technologicly *spelling?* and psykologicly *SPELING?!?* advanced and would obliterate most with a flick of the wrist)
SW cant beat necs (no need to explain)
SW cant beat chaos (again, no need to explain)
so its between SW and the impirium. now i can start my arguement

keep in mind that my arguments are for ground forces because i dont know much about the space ships on either side.

SW vs SM, Space marines have less numbers but better weaponry, armor, and tanks. I dont beleive that a laser can even come close to penetrating SM armor because SM have taken on heretic gaurds befor and came out without barely a scratch *IG lasers are stronger then SW lasers, the IG have been known to fight THROUGH WALLS!*. I beleive with all sincerety that a single chapeter could mop the floors with SW. As well, only needing a single chapter solves the lack of mass communication/transport dilemma.

SW vs IG, This is the situation where SW stands a chance, but ONLY if ALL the factions band together *which is unlikly in its own right*. IG has way more/better troops/tanks, but if the droid factories manage to stay safe then they might be able to fend them back. Unless they bring in the big guns (like titans and higherclass tanks) in which case they're screwed. The psykers will be a huge problem as there are more of them then jedi, and they are stronger ("dont make me push, pull, or zap you!" "dont make me cause you to attack your own allies, freinds and family then cause you to implode on yourself in a brutal, painful death"). The death star is no help at all seeing as how a teenager with a grudge blew it up the first time, plus the impirium has more planets killing devices that they use on a daily basis.

Don't forget Tau.

 

[Doug]

To all the people talking Death Star: You do remember that it was destroyed, not once but twice, by bumbling fools and rebels? I'm pretty sure the Imperium on Man could deal with a single battle station. Also, it only has one laser.
Storm troopers are cool, no doubt about that, but as was mentioned above: the strategy of the Imperial Guard seems to be to throw men at the objective until success are achieved. And even if the IG are armed with flash lights, storm troopers are not really a hardy breed.

And noone has mentioned the tanks of the Guard: Leman Russ, Basilisk, Hellhound and Baneblade to name a few. I hardly think Space Marines are needed to win this fight.

The IG strategy is variable. Remember, the Imperial Guard employs billions of soldiers across the whole galaxy. Standards of training and quality of tactics varies hugely. In the Gaunt's Ghost books, its clear than some divisions use high quality tactics and strategies, although the 'zerg rush' divisions certainly do exist.

 

[Doug]

Lets recap so we can all keep pace.
so SW cant beat orks or tyranids (because once they're on the planets its impossible to get rid of them)
SW cant beat Eldar (too technologicly *spelling?* and psykologicly *SPELING?!?* advanced and would obliterate most with a flick of the wrist)
SW cant beat necs (no need to explain)
SW cant beat chaos (again, no need to explain)
so its between SW and the impirium. now i can start my arguement

keep in mind that my arguments are for ground forces because i dont know much about the space ships on either side.

SW vs SM, Space marines have less numbers but better weaponry, armor, and tanks. I dont beleive that a laser can even come close to penetrating SM armor because SM have taken on heretic gaurds befor and came out without barely a scratch *IG lasers are stronger then SW lasers, the IG have been known to fight THROUGH WALLS!*. I beleive with all sincerety that a single chapeter could mop the floors with SW. As well, only needing a single chapter solves the lack of mass communication/transport dilemma.

SW vs IG, This is the situation where SW stands a chance, but ONLY if ALL the factions band together *which is unlikly in its own right*. IG has way more/better troops/tanks, but if the droid factories manage to stay safe then they might be able to fend them back. Unless they bring in the big guns (like titans and higherclass tanks) in which case they're screwed. The psykers will be a huge problem as there are more of them then jedi, and they are stronger ("dont make me push, pull, or zap you!" "dont make me cause you to attack your own allies, freinds and family then cause you to implode on yourself in a brutal, painful death"). The death star is no help at all seeing as how a teenager with a grudge blew it up the first time, plus the impirium has more planets killing devices that they use on a daily basis.

Don't forget Tau.

The Tau: Proving short guys aren't overcompensating with massive amounts of firepower. Honest!