Warhammer 40k vs starwars... is there any possible way for SW to win?

[Ranthus]

Let's see what would happen if the two galaxies met.

Empire vs Imperium

Storm Troopers, essentially people, versus Space Marines and even the Imperial Guard, both of which are way better than Storm Troopers and much better equipped. ATATs vs Titans, Dreadnoughts, Baneblades, and Chimeras. Death Star? Man has been blowing up planets long before the Empire.

Empire vs Tyranids

NO possible way you could say the Empire could win against Tyranids.

Empire vs Eldar

Eldar has way better technology, but fewer numbers. Still, they can always hide their base. Also, they have Khaine, and an Avatar is huge.

Empire vs Orkz

Da boyz uf da Orkz iz way Orkya den dose umies!
Orks would lose in space and against the Death Star, however.

Empire vs Necrons

These guys can wipe out an entire solar system at once by taking the energy from a star in a space ship, the space ships being almost indestructible. One Necron Warrion could probably kill many Storm Troopers.

Empire vs Tau

Amazingly advanced in technology, don't know much about them.

Empire vs Chaos

See Tyranids. Chaos Space Marines are even better than regular Space Marines!

For the answer to the question: NO. Not at all.

 

[ultimateownage]

The force and lightsabers would kick all of their asses, but only if there was a jedi army, which there's not so 40k wins.

 

[BiscuitWheels]

I go with Star Wars, mainly because the Imperium being a bunch of thinly veiled space Nazis makes me kinda sick.

 

[Wyatt]

I go with Star Wars, mainly because the Imperium being a bunch of thinly veiled space Nazis makes me kinda sick.

ohhh the ironey.

i hope you were being ironic anyhow. you DO relize that the Empire in Star Wars is almost and exact copy of Nazi Germany dont you? from the Emperor/Hitler hatred of all 'non humans' all the way down to 'storm troopers' sharing the EXACT same name with nazi's.

 

[loquerion]

wow... I turn round for a few days and this really got out of hand... I thought we had it settled on page 1?

 

[Ace of Spades]

Three words: That's no moon.

 

[Argentavis]

Mine is bigger. [http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stardestroyerdivineinte.gif]
But it is very one-sided. Everything in 40K was designed to be over the top gritty unrealistic, but awesome, sci-fi.
Star Wars is more believable and, for lack of a better expression, "kid friendly".

 

[loquerion]

Right... I love these... but I think it's a clear winner...

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You can't go by the EU on some things, and ignore it with others, anyway, A few points, though I admittedly don't know much about the warhammer 40K universe.

The Yuuzhan Vong Ravaged and destroyed a galaxy, They'd be a huge threat to anything in the 40K universe. A fleet capitol ships can reduce a planet's surface to molten slag with bombardment, And things with th scale you're talking about are bound to have weak points, Thrawn would manage to find a effective strategy.

Also, I may be wrong, but was Sadow naga able to literally destroy a sun with the force? I know later luke was ab;e to rip apart starfighters in dogfights and even damage capitol ships.

One thing I do know, Jedi and Sith masters are able to, though draining, take control of thousands of minds at once, even throttle enemy commanders hundreds of miles away in their command ships. If it happened during the Sith wars, and they banded together, they'd have thousands of jedi fighting back, With production backup from the star forge, and abilities like battle meditation, I think the SW universe would give a much harder fight than you think. Brute strength isn't everything.

About the EU stuff... yes, you do have to make a call whether any of it is "canon" or not, but usually its best to be taken on a case by case basis, because a lot of the EU stuff basically contradicts the gospel of the original trilogy... that said, so did most of the prequels, so hard to make a case there.

The Yuuzhan Vong did ravage a galaxy, but that was through over 1,000s years of warfare from what I recall.... not a single assault or weapon. They are like the Tyranids from 40K, except they are for the most part sentient, where Tyranids are like a biological Borg hive mind. In terms of the direct comparison, Tyranid ships grow large enough to eat planets whole, which the Yuuzhan Vong have not shown any ability to do so (although bombing a planet to glass is on the table for either with large enough fleet).

Bombing a planet to glass, although stated in SW as possible isn't something which anything short of a sustained bombardment by a large Imperial fleet would achieve. I think Solo says something like 'half the star fleet' to destroy a planet... there is a hand held device which can achieve the same thing in 40k. It is literally orders of magnitude of difference in the power levels of the two factions. Once a power level is established which is that one sided, it is like a cockroach trying to find the weak points on an exterminators poison spray. Suggesting the cockroaches could overwhelm with numbers is also redundant considering the scale of 40k military resources. To quote a phrase - "This isn't war, it's pest control". Also, Thrawn is dead... definitely.

Sadow Naga is not only 1000s of years dead, but the ability he used to affect a star (massive solar flare) was not his. He only made use of an existing Sith weapon which was damaged when the first Sith empire fell, then finally destroyed later when Sadow was killed by his apprentice.

Sith and Jedi masters can take control of a number of weak minded beings, but any more than a few people in close proximity is impossible (excluding literally 1 or 2 long dead exceptions). None of the currently alive Jedi or Sith can harness or manifest that kind of power, without resorting to ancient technology which is not reproducible or understood... and there arn;t that many Jedi or Sith about anymore. The entire Imperium is taught from birth that "An open mind is like a fortress left unguarded and its gates wide open", so they are not weak minded by any means. Same for Tau, Eldar and Chaoz... Necrons don't have a mind because they are dead, and orcs don't care as they will just fight the first thing they see.

On the other hand, at current time in the 40k universe there are 1,000,000s of psykers who have force like abilities of telekinesis and mind control, but more extensive... The more powerful ones are capable of solar events similar to Sadow, except without assistance form tech... these psykers are not exactly common though and tightly controlled by the Imperium.

Sith would never side with Jedi, and vice versa... They may try to ally with the Imperium etc., but most of the 40k races would eat them or slaughter them on sight, without asking questions. The Star Forge was destroyed 1000 years ago, offering no tactical support.

 

[bodyklok]

Warhammer 40k is made by Games-workshop, simple as that, star wars wins. I hate games workshop, why? Just visit their online store and you'll see...

I visted their site, the first page I saw (where they asked me to chosse a country) was kinda stupid. But other than that it wasn't horrible, what didn't you like about it?

 

[loquerion]

Mine is bigger. [http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stardestroyerdivineinte.gif]
But it is very one-sided. Everything in 40K was designed to be over the top gritty unrealistic, but awesome, sci-fi.
Star Wars is more believable and, for lack of a better expression, "kid friendly".

dude... lol... hat's off... that says it better than I could with 1000 words

(Worth adding though that that ship is the standard Imperium Battleship. 100+ of these patrol each sector of Imperium space, supported by lots and lots of similar scaled support ships... it's not just a one off super-weapon like the Executor)

 

[Dogstile]

chuck some orks at them, that should fix SW

 

[irishdelinquent]

Hmmm, let's analyze here. There have only been a handful of superweapons in the Star Wars universe that can destroy a planet....Capital Ships in 40k have to decide which planet-destroying weapon they'll use this time.

 

[Pyro Paul]

Warhammer Wins hands down.

An ork can pick up a Toaster oven and have it shoot Laser beams.
i'm not joking...

a regular toaster oven,
no modification at all,
shooting laser beams.

Ork weaponry works simply because the user 'believes that it will'. Even if it defies logic, science, reason, and sanity... it works because the Ork wants it to work.

that is the power of the Waagh.


point out one thing in Starwars which can come anywhere close to that...

 

[BiscuitWheels]

I go with Star Wars, mainly because the Imperium being a bunch of thinly veiled space Nazis makes me kinda sick.

ohhh the ironey.

i hope you were being ironic anyhow. you DO relize that the Empire in Star Wars is almost and exact copy of Nazi Germany dont you? from the Emperor/Hitler hatred of all 'non humans' all the way down to 'storm troopers' sharing the EXACT same name with nazi's.

Big difference: In Star Wars, they're not the good guys.

 

[FangsFirst]

I go with Star Wars, mainly because the Imperium being a bunch of thinly veiled space Nazis makes me kinda sick.

ohhh the ironey.

i hope you were being ironic anyhow. you DO relize that the Empire in Star Wars is almost and exact copy of Nazi Germany dont you? from the Emperor/Hitler hatred of all 'non humans' all the way down to 'storm troopers' sharing the EXACT same name with nazi's.

Big difference: In Star Wars, they're not the good guys.

Since when were there "good guys" anywhere in WH40k?
I thought it was very "my side"/"your side"...

 

[BiscuitWheels]

I go with Star Wars, mainly because the Imperium being a bunch of thinly veiled space Nazis makes me kinda sick.

ohhh the ironey.

i hope you were being ironic anyhow. you DO relize that the Empire in Star Wars is almost and exact copy of Nazi Germany dont you? from the Emperor/Hitler hatred of all 'non humans' all the way down to 'storm troopers' sharing the EXACT same name with nazi's.

Big difference: In Star Wars, they're not the good guys.

Since when were there "good guys" anywhere in WH40k?
I thought it was very "my side"/"your side"...

Yeah, the Imperium isn't the game's primary protagonist. They aren't front and center in all the marketing, after all. All Hail the Emperor, and his throne that requires a Holocost of shaved, tattooed psychics to be sacrificed to run.

 

[FangsFirst]

Big difference: In Star Wars, they're not the good guys.

Since when were there "good guys" anywhere in WH40k?
I thought it was very "my side"/"your side"...[/quote]

Yeah, the Imperium isn't the game's primary protagonist. They aren't front and center in all the marketing, after all. All Hail the Emperor, and his throne that requires a Holocost of shaved, tattooed psychics to be sacrificed to run.[/quote]

Just saying, they may be the focal point, even the "protagonists," but that doesn't make them the "good guys."
I mean, Darth Vader is the focus of an awful lot of marketing...

 

[13lackfriday]

SW has one lowly deathstar while the Imeprium of man have hundreds of ships like this destroying planets on a daily basis. The power sword is the equivilant of a lightsaber. SW lazors shoot at sub-sonic speeds while IG las-rifles shoot at light speed. The empire has nothing on the Imperial Navy of 40k. 40k has more guns, better guns, bigger guns, and cooler guns. a class B psyker is said to snap a titan in 2 with a flick of his wrist and send entire armies at eachothers throats in a fit of bloodlust with a mumble from his lips. 40k has titans. 40k has more psykers then jedi that are stronger then jedi. LOLOL TYRANIDS LOLOL. LOLOL ORKS LOLOL. Space marine armor can resist lasors. Space marines have never been defeated by a bunch of glorified care-bears *cough cough EWOKS cough cough*.

Your avatar matches your literary tone: fuming and inarticulate.

Who cares? The two aren't really compatible, so why bust nerd chops?

That said, let's make peace based on this wise poster's counsel.

 

[Wyatt]

Big difference: In Star Wars, they're not the good guys.

interesting point. i do see what you mean even though id agree with fangs first take to an extent. i dont think 40K markets the Imperium as the good guys, if anything their main marketing point is that there ARE no good guys. thats what 40K is all about both from a fan point of view and also from the 'lore' that the company pushes as well.

from a more broad point of view, one could say, and ive often seen this with example's of it in this very thread, that the draw of Star wars ISNT the Jedi or the rebel allians but rather the Empire and the sith. do you think it was an accident that the last 3 movies were all about how vader and the Empire itself came about rather than being about what the rebel alliance did after overthrowing them? people wanted more of the Empire and vader not more sissy Jedi good guys.

furthermore, if it wasnt for the Empire than there would be no debate here since its very obvious that no rebel alliance or a single halfassed "jedi" in training is going to beat even a pre-school class of 4 year olds in any part of the 40K universe.

the only part of the Star Wars universe that can even hope to fight any faction in 40k is the very 'nazis' that sicken you.

 

[ThreeWords]

Three words: That's no moon.

Hah! I thought you were talking to me for a minute there =P

Anyway, the Death Star wont help you much, as I'm sure people have said already, the Imperium has been destroying planets of thousands of years

E.g.

Hmmm, let's analyze here. There have only been a handful of superweapons in the Star Wars universe that can destroy a planet....Capital Ships in 40k have to decide which planet-destroying weapon they'll use this time.