Was it really marriage? or was it?

[auron200004]

I personally think the whole "90% [citation needed] of marriages end in divorce anyway" thing is actually a factor that SUPPORTS gay marriage. Why? One of the biggest things anti-gay activists seem to cite is the "sanctity of marriage" and the "traditional family unit". If divorce rates are as high as they are (which isn't likely nearly as high as you claim, but they are still reasonably high), then there really is no "sanctity" in marriage anymore, at least not by the Christian definition. Therefore, with there being no sanctity to preserve in the first place, gay marriage should be allowed.

Naturally, that's not the only reason to allow it, but that's just a different perspective on what one of your points was.

I mean, tons of people have already mentioned the difference between legal and "religious" marriage, so I'd just be echoing them.

 

[Supertegwyn]

100% of the 50% of the 75% of Escapists who read this thread are confused.


Nothing to see here. Rawr.

 

[Lt._nefarious]

Hmmm... I believe in marriage, I'm not really Christian though, more like a twisted pseudo religion that 30% Christianity, %50 shit I read in John Dies at The End and 20% Germanic mythology, anyway that's not my point, I'm cool with marriage whether it's between gay guys, lesbians, straight people or whatever other concoction you can get (like a 3-way marriage). I do think that people get married because they love each other and even if you don't believe in God it's still nice to have the big ceremony and declare your love for all to see.

Also so... Are you, like, opposed to marriage in general or just when gay people get involved? Also, now not trying to be offensive I just don't know, maybe this is a British thing, can't gay people still get "civil partnerships" that has pretty much the same stuff as getting married? I've never really been clear on that...

 

[krazykidd]

Hey i think gay people has the right to be as miserable as the rest of us. Let them marry , and divorce and anything else they want to do . We shouldn't be alone to suffer ! Seriously, gay people are like the happiess people iv'e ever met , and it makes me sick ( not because they are gay , but because they are foreverHappy.jpg).

 

[Lonewolfm16]

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Come on, guys (and a girl), you've all been here long enough.

Can someone please explain the message to me?

Sure - this user has been doing topics on controversial matters, opening with long confusing rant/somethings and never ever bothering to reply. It was starting to fall into an almost weekly basis pattern but the last topic (something about Dante [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.399661-Wah-wahh-Wahh-DmC-ruinned-Dante-forever-w]) was just two days ago.

So, basically this

I think everyone has seen one of those fella's that rants to themselves in a town center....

Now the escapist has one.

Sly, you have become the mad ranting man that makes no sense whatsoever.

Oh good, because if a community doesn't have at least one crazy person it is never a good sign. glad to have ya Slypizza!

 

[Frission]

Nothing interesting here.


I sort of wonder how he can pull this off without repercussions. It's good that the site is neutral and all,but I get the feeling that's he's the type of person who will get others banned.

EDIT: I guess it's the sign of a healthy community, that there's someone crazy. I think.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

now lets make this statement clear.

Now that's some funny fucking shit right there.

 

[Euryalus]

100% of the stupid masses don't' believe in a god that can't see

True. Some believe in an all-seeing God, but nobody I ever heard of believe in a blind one.

Also, PLEASE check spelling grammar and punctuation in your rgeular rants.

How Dare you slander the name of Azathoth the blind idiot God. The Dark man will make you eat those words.

Ia Ia Yog-Sothoth!

Ia Ia Shub-niggurath!

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

Here's a little fun fact for you: Most of the world doesn't give a fuck about your bible, or your gods word.

As far as fact goes, 33% of the world is Christian, and atheism barely ranks. Thats 2.1 billion Christians, which would be contrary to your notion. So please state your opinion as your own opinion and don't claim to speak for "most of the world" unless you have something to back it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

 

[Compatriot Block]

Don't argue against the crazy religious guy by laying into every religious person. It doesn't support your point, it makes you look like just as much of a tool as the guy trying to use religion to support his own crazy beliefs.

Religion is an excuse homophobic people use to be homophobic. If religion didn't exist, they'd find another excuse.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

Fixed that for ya.

C'mon OP, are you even being serious or do you just want a Topic Post Count badge? You do realise that marriage existed long before both the Bible and your religion, and your asserting that the entire institution should conform to your specific values is nothing more than self-centred ranting?

 

[pillinjer]

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As far as fact goes, 33% of the world is Christian, and atheism barely ranks. Thats 2.1 billion Christians, which would be contrary to your notion. So please state your opinion as your own opinion and don't claim to speak for "most of the world" unless you have something to back it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

As you just said 33% is Christian. This means over 50% is not Christian, and do not use the Bible. Admittedly if you include Islam and Judaism, you cross over the 50% margin. Your opinion that Atheism barely ranks (if you consider all non-religious people as Atheists) is incorrect as on the pie chart on the page you linked Non-religious is the third largest group.

I do agree however everyone should make comments obvious if they are quoting facts or opinions.
I personally believe that people who love each other should be able to get married no matter what creed, colour or sexuality they have.

 

[positiveParadox]

Here's a little fun fact for you: Most of the world doesn't give a fuck about your bible, or your gods word.

As far as fact goes, 33% of the world is Christian, and atheism barely ranks. Thats 2.1 billion Christians, which would be contrary to your notion. So please state your opinion as your own opinion and don't claim to speak for "most of the world" unless you have something to back it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

Don't forget Islam!
(From the article: 21.01%)
Islam has a homophobic stance as often if not more than Christianity.
Hinduism(13.26%)sometimes has a very homophobic stance also.

Nonreligious (gives no hoots about holy books, peoples, (G/g)od(s), etc. 14.09%)
Atheists (2%? 2.4%? Somewhere around there.)

Just a few facts. Recent polls show that about half of America is pro-gay (I dunno where it is). Also, many in Uganda are currently trying to go Hitler on gays. The world has very mixed opinions. Very much so.

 

[Your Gaffer]

Why should any two people not be allowed to get married when some can? Do you have good reason to disallow this?

It DOES NOT MATTER why they want to get married. Just that they do.

 

[Queen Michael]

100% of the stupid masses don't' believe in a god that can't see

True. Some believe in an all-seeing God, but nobody I ever heard of believe in a blind one.

Also, PLEASE check spelling grammar and punctuation in your rgeular rants.

How Dare you slander the name of Azathoth the blind idiot God. The Dark man will make you eat those words.

Ia Ia Yog-Sothoth!

Ia Ia Shub-niggurath!

Oh man... and just when I was done explaining to the angry Discworld fans that Blind Io does have eyes, and that they're just not stuck to his body...

 

[Queen Michael]

okay but why do you have to go in front of a church and say "I do" ...African slaves jumped over a broom and they were declared married

See, here's the thing about comittment ceremonies and "choosing to call yourself married..."
It's just not as fun to decide that "We consider ourselves to be married" if the law's there saying "No you're nooot, no you're nooot..." Gay people just don't want there to be a law saying that no matter what they do, they're not married. You might as well say that you do let teens drink as much beer as they want, because they're allowed to drink Pepsi and call it "beer." Even if a gay couple jumps a broomstick or whatevsville, other people usually won't consider them to be married. LBTQ folks just want their union to be formally recognized by the state, and by God if they believe in him. It's simple really; if you believe in God then of course you'd want him to bless your love. Sure, it's not like they have a problem with getting tax break and so on, but mainly it's the principle of the thing.

Also, could you please post some sort of reply? You never post anything in your rant threads apart from the original post. It's as if you think that the Escapist forums are your personal blog and this is the comments section.

 

[Loonyyy]

Are you drunk?

And, do you understand the principles of equality, or morality?

Because I think the answers to those questions must be "Yes, No, No."

Otherwise, I think it may be possible that you are posting inflammatory, extraneous or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, and should kindly desist in such behaviour.

But if you seriously believe what crap you just spouted, and you think that it's about benefits, then there's an obvious answer: Remove any benefit from any other marriage. There. Now you can't get married, your wife is no longer your wife, and you can't visit her if she's in hospital, you're not the parents of your children unless you adopt them, and you bear a social stigma.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

As far as fact goes, 33% of the world is Christian, and atheism barely ranks. Thats 2.1 billion Christians, which would be contrary to your notion. So please state your opinion as your own opinion and don't claim to speak for "most of the world" unless you have something to back it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

So... 67% of the world doesnt follow the bible, ergo doesnt care what the bible contains within. 67% is larger than 33% so the majority REALLY doesnt care. All religions are a minority compared to the entire population so not a single one is fully supported by a majority of people. So its true to say most of the world doesnt care about your religion. 66% of people dont care about yours enough to follow it. Thats a majority.

 

[Anti Nudist Cupcake]

Now I know this is gonna be an old topic for everyone but frankly I want to address something about the whole gay marriage fuss now lets make this statement clear.

We don't want marriage of the Same Sex

It goes against the Bible and Gods word and its an insult

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okay...first bullsh$$ no one gives two dicks about marriage %90 of married folk break up, and of they had kids that makes it even worse, %95 of couples that live together , aren't married, or hate each other so much they kill the other one of the party and it goes into a murder case blah blah, Also if you people Really cared about Gods way and the purity of marriage most of you a##hats wouldn't be screwing over 6 women a week or trying to get in someones pants at a night club or a bar and then I see sites in my spam " oh date cheating wives" yeah the fact something like that exist just kicks marriage right up the ass, and another thing that pisses me off you want to bring the bible into it.. 100% of the stupid masses don't' believe in a god that can't see and the government wants to claim to be there god when the government is as corrupt as it wants to be so you really thin they would care about what god thinks? nor do the people..

I think its more then that, others may have already came to this conclusion but if they have I haven't seen it so here it is.

its not the fact they want to get married because they love each other its the benefits you get with marriage health, medical, dental ,pensions everything a man and women would get in marriage they want , if they let it pass that thats more money the government has to give out and it doesn't want to give out more money, thats all it is.

okay there may be some out there " but we really want to get married " okay but why do you have to go in front of a church and say "I do" ...African slaves jumped over a broom and they were declared married so do you really want to get married in gods eyes? or do you really just want to be in the government system so you can get free insurance from the demi-god that is the government you all oh so worship. because in my case I say screw them all love who ever you want but don't think having your name in a system makes it legit and bringing god into was just a cover up.
because if this is really the case most of the gays and lesbins are no better then the retarded straights everyone has ulterior motives.

Think about it.

and just for the people who say I hate gays, I don't, everyone has a right to love who they want but saying you need to make it legit by getting married is kinda weak if you didn't get all that benefits when two are married would this really have been such a big issue?

forum question folks
" Would have the gay marriage been just as much as a fuss if you didn't get all the benefits with it?"

This had to be said.

I don't know what people have against gay marriage. But then again Americans do just loooooove to stick their fingers in other people's food and then complaining about how it isn't the way THEY want it.

Yes I know some other countries are the same but America is shouting the loudest, bite me.

In my country, gay marriage is just called "Marriage".

Only good thing about us, our Christians are known for being decent people. I know of a Church that declared that they will not condemn homosexuality because it isn't their place to say if it is wrong, "God made people the way they are".
They actually focus on charity and helping people and they preach about getting through rough times and living as a good person rather than "fear God or go to hell".

And shit like the WBC would NEVER happen here. We have the freedom to criticize our government, we have the right to have our own opinions, we can say what we want BUT hate speech is ILLEGAL and you know what? That WORKS for us, we have all the freedom of speech Americans have without all the hate speech BS that they put up with.

 

[Stu35]

Edit - Sorry, didn't appreciate just how bad the thread necromancy was on this one. Please delete this.