Ways that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim

[mannos]

I really need to add smth here. Oblivion WAS MORROWIND (little to no improvements, same bugs that kill immersion and always you have to rely on mods to fix stuff). Leaving aside the fact that Bthsda only had a breakthrough with Daggerfall wich was the 1st good free world experiece (or close to it), making an incredibly faulty game (and having the nerve to charge for it!!! i have honestly seen tenfold the effort in free games) and then making a clone of it and pretending it is a new game is pathetic. But leaving that aside i was a fan of the series and have enjoyed the storyline of both Oblivion and Morrowind (ofc in between cursing bugs and smaking my keyboard against the wall cuz both stupid games just sometimes close for no reason and i always forget to save every 30 secs = BAD PROGRAMMING LIKE THEY ALWAYS HAD, wich is stupid cuz I PAYED FOR THE GAMES AND I EXPECT THEM TO ACTUALLY WORK). Oblivion IS an RPG, Morrowind IS an RPG. Skyrim is as much an RPG as Call Of Duty! You have perks in Call of duty and you do lvl (and Skyrim requires the IQ of a smart chimp to understand and play. Simplicity is not always better). Skyrim is and action game with RPG elements and no ACTION. Well, combat system is better than Morrowind and Oblivion but the fact that you have no attributes screwes it up. And LVLING IS SCREWED ANYWAY, even without athletics and acrobatics (just try to use sneak and see how every backstab gets your sneak up by 1 point wich is ULTRA LVLING, and i can give many more examples, even of bugs that could be fixed in a matter of seconds but they don't give a shit about you AFTER you PAY for the game).

BETHESDA IS A PIECE OF CRAP COMPANY (my opinion, it won't change)! They started out well but as we entered the second millenia they screwed up BIG TIME. And my arguments are :

- Morrowind was a faulty game not worth going out of alpha testing. Game is FULL of bugs. I HONESTLY THINK THEY PROGRAMMED IT AND THEN STRAIGHT TO THE SHELVES (no alpha testing, no beta testing and i don't think any of Bethesda personnel even played it for more than 10 mins). It is a book (cuz storyline is all it has, and that is due for the respect i had for daggerfall) and it should be worth 2$ like the average book.

- Oblivion IS ACTUALLY a MORROWIND clone (storyline progressed, graphic improvements, SAME BUGS AND GLITCHES, same gameplay, little to no improvements otherwise)

- Skyrim is actually Oblivion (wich means MORROWIND 3. They sold us the game 3 times. Now that is marketing genius right there.) without the RPG (they felt the need to turn a profit cuz getting game of the year with those pieces of crap just didn't cut it, GIVES ME THE SAME FEELING THAT THEY DIDN'T TEST OUT THE GAME BEFORE LAUNCH) and that is cuz most of the population of the world is not too smart (hope it is not considered flaming). And the only way to make less intellectually inclined ppl play an RPG (meaning they need to run some numbers in their heads to cr8 a char) is to take the RPG out of it (or make it Hack 'n' Slash). Remember where RPGs started: pen and paper. I can imagine Morrowind pen and paper. I can do that for Oblivion also. For Skyrim you can just well be aliterate and still play the game with no inconvenience whatsoever, just enjoy the pretty colors (wich are actually not that pretty). There is not 1 thing in this game that is not bugged. I won't give examples of bugs cuz it will be too time consuming. If you want tell me what you think is not bugged and i will show you how it IS bugged. An on top of all this their programming got SOOO BAAAAD!!! (a program is good or not based on how well optimized it is, and Skyrim has lots of issues there, even on consoles, wich is again PATHETIC!! as you can't upgrade your PS3 or Xbox)

DO NOT EVEN GET ME STARTED HOW THEY TOTALLY CRAPPED ON FALLOUT UNIVERSE !!! MOROWIND ALL OVER AGAIN WITH A FALLOUT STORYLINE !! PATHETIC AGAIN !! (same everything, even same damn annoying char cretion with the stupidly long intros and the door when you exit asking you if you want to change EVERYTHING about you, same as morrowind, same as oblivion)

I played Skyrim for 10 hrs in 5 days and then i threw it away. Complete waste of money. (And yes in 10 hours i f-ing finished the stupidly predictble main storyline, and started the Dark Brotherhood quests wich gave me gloves that do double backstab dmg and was doing x30 dmg. IE : 1 - hitting dragons on max difficulty, at wich point i threw the game away cuz it was absolutley NOT CHALLENGING AT ALL WITH A SNEAK OF 100 and illusion 50 while all other skills were in their mid 30's at most and still be able to 1 hit DRAGONS, i get that i am the legendary dragon blood, but this is like RAMBO CARRYING A 40KG MACHINE GUN IN EACH OF HIS HANDS AND ACTUALLY SHOOTING WITH THEM accurateley AND FEELING NO RECOIL, wich actually happened in the movie)

My advice: If you had the misfortune to be ripped off by Bethesda and you realize it, just enjoy whatever you can of the main storyline (wich is really short!!! less than 4 hrs! with char creation included, wich is not acutally cretion seing as tho nothing matters!!! i was an ORC ASSASIN IN HEAVY/LIGHT/CLOTH ARMOR COMBINATION THAT COULD SNEAK-STAB ANYONE IN THE FACE (meaning them facing me), cuz of muffled illusion spell (or muffle boots), wich is again a good example of UBER lvling while my hvy armor, alchemy and one handed was crap even if i trained in them almost every lvl). After wich break the game to pieces, put it in a box and mail it back to Bethesda with a note saying "SHAME ON YOU!" cuz they have the ability to do wonders but they settle for dirt, and we eat that dirt and even ENJOY it (some ppl. An don't say that if it wasn't a good game it wouldn't have got game of the year award cuz ppl hanged for saying the world it not flat and that shows how easily masses can be misslead).


THIS IS MY OPINION! Don't start ranting about how i am a moron and a hater and can't appreciate a good game, cuz i can. There are 1000 good games out there that deserve to be payed for. No Bethesda personel deserves to be remunerated (except marketing and advertising dept wich are doing an AWSOME job, and prolly all the investments go there).

I HAVE NEVER SEEN A GAME (EXCLUDING TES SERIES) THAT HAD EVERYTING BUGGED! Nobody did that and more deserving games DID NOT GET A FRACTION OF THE PROFIT TES SERIES GOT (again awsome advert and marketing. i wish i had those depts in my company...)

 

[mannos]

Hey I saw this exact same topic when Oblivion came out except it was how Morrowind was superior to Oblivion. Talk about an unpleasable fanbase

That's probably because Morrowind was superior to Oblivion

Indeed. Morrowind still remains as the peak of the franchise.

I largely agree that Skyrim was a step down from Oblivion. Just as Oblivion was a step down from Morrowind.

DAGGERFALL IS THE PEAK OF THE FRANCHISE! I played TES2 for years wich is more than i can say for the rest of the series combined.

 

[Lil_Rimmy]

ITS THE SNIP FAIRY

Spelling, that's all I have to say.

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[Jimmy T. Malice]

Oh, dear. There are so many ways that Skyrim is superior to Oblivion. Let me list just a few.

Dual-wielding allows you to cast two spells or hold two weapons.

Actual variety in the environments. Oblivion's overworld was the same square mile of countryside photocopied endlessly (to quote Yahtzee), while Skyrim has varied regions. The dungeons in Skyrim are also better, as they aren't identical mazes of confusing passages.

Acrobatics and Athletics are removed. They aren't magical skills- how does it make sense for your character to jump 50 feet or run faster than a horse?

Magic is also much improved, both visually (no more different-coloured smoke to indicate different spells) and practically- each spell has its own individual function.

...I could go on.

 

[King of the Sandbox]

Just feel like it's my duty to come in and say

- The character creator is worse than the one in Oblivion (which was pretty bad too)

HAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*gaspforair*HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I mean, really? Like, REALLY really?

 

[mannos]

Oh, dear. There are so many ways that Skyrim is superior to Oblivion. Let me list just a few.

Dual-wielding allows you to cast two spells or hold two weapons.

Actual variety in the environments. Oblivion's overworld was the same square mile of countryside photocopied endlessly (to quote Yahtzee), while Skyrim has varied regions. The dungeons in Skyrim are also better, as they aren't identical mazes of confusing passages.

Acrobatics and Athletics are removed. They aren't magical skills- how does it make sense for your character to jump 50 feet or run faster than a horse?

Magic is also much improved, both visually (no more different-coloured smoke to indicate different spells) and practically- each spell has its own individual function.

...I could go on.

Well you see spell system as in improvement. And it has one : gameplay. But spell system is TES series was all about custom spells for me. And yes while skyrim is not endlesly pasted like oblivion, i found the world to be much smaller. Varied, but much smaller.

To sum it up : they improved gameplay, but sacrificed RPG elements so that the game is easyer to understand (so that they would adress a wider public). I don't care for them getting new gamers as they will loose the real fans of the series (meaning those of us that still remember the AWSOMENESS of TES1 and 2). Anyway i feel there is nothing more to say here.


To Lil_Rimmy: you make no sense! If you are complaining about my spelling i apologize in advance (i'm not english or american so ofc i may have flaws speaking and spelling english) but if you are refering to me complaining about spelling errors in TES3, 4 and 5 it is a GRAND oversight for a game you actually PAY for. Point being (if you failed to see it maybe telling it to you will be useless) that they pay no attention to details, as i see skyrim the Crysis of RPGs (eyecandy, but otherwise disappointing for it's genre).

 

[powdered_toastman]

i loved how silly oblivion was, like the way the ai was with the guards, and how everyones face looked messed up. the game had a fun approach too it. i had loads of fun with oblivion.

skyrim was okay i suppose. i just had a hard time playing it, i felt that the game was trying to be too serious (of that makes any sense). i found it difficult to enjoy skyrim with all the bugs. I think maybe i wouldve enjoyed skyrim a little more if i had a smooth gaming experience and with patches, but i dont think i could ever like skyrim more than oblivion or morrowind.

i didnt really notice anything significant with the dragon fights though. idk why everyone was so worked up about it. like ya your fighting a dragon, but it was just the same old sit and click routine until the thing falls over.

 

[Nomanslander]

I have found Skyrim to be a step down from Oblivion in a few ways:

- No athletics or acrobatics. Really, I want to run faster and jump further as I progress in the game.

- The character creator is worse than the one in Oblivion (which was pretty bad too)

- The UI is ugly compared to the one in Oblivion. It looks like it just has a white/gray frame.

- The UI was designed for looks (that's a failed attempt) rather than functionality. You can't sort your inventory, you can't view your character when equipping stuff.

- Oblivion performs better at it's worst than Skyrim does at it's worst, both compared on the PS3.

Ok, the first complaint is a matter of taste, and I really didn't care for athletics or acrobatics.

The second complaint? Your taste is seriously being put under question now because I can't believe you seriously think the character creation was better on Oblivion, and that Skyrim's is ugly. That's like you telling me that Scarlett Johansson is ugly, and that Snooky from Jersey Shore is a better catch....taste or not, I really can't see how you could go there..??


Third, again with taste, and how is the UI uglier than the one in Oblivion? Oblivion had just some dirty scroll texture which is I guess suppose to to fit in with the whole medieval fantasy theme, but just made the game feel cheap.

As for your fourth complaint. I personally like how the UI is set up in this game, now what I do have to complain about is the quick selection interface. I personally would have rather had the hotkeying of abilities and items then scrolling through the text to find it.

And finally your fifth complaint, why are you even playing this game on the PS3? And honestly I can't imagine Skyrim being worse considering I've seen how bad Oblivion ran on that system.

 

[Laser Priest]

So, there's a few reasons, which are all either unimportant or completely wrong anyway.

And Skyrim is better in every other way.

Yeah, I think I'll stick with Skyrim.

 

[sky14kemea]

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Hi there! Would you mind calming down a bit, and fixing up your spelling and grammar (Also less CAPS would be nice...)

I understand shorthand is quicker a lot of the time, but there's no reason you can't go back afterwards and edit it.

-Sky

 

[Ruwrak]

Am I really the only one who just -enjoys- his games the way they are?
Oblivion was fun, less fun then Morrowind mind you, but it had it's naggings.

Sheogorath was bleeding genious. I'm hoping the DLC here will exceed that. I really do.
THe only thing I have an issue with is that in Skyrim the difficulty fluctuates like mad.
I.e. now nothing stands in my way when I unleash my flurry. But 10 levels back nothing died.

=/

 

[Savagezion]

Hehe, the interweb cracks me up sometimes. I have spent over 50 hours in Skyrim and have my list of faults hasn't went over 5 yet. It took me about 10 hours in Oblivion to have a list so long, it is hard to list them off without organizing a list first.

I am seriously hard pressed to think of just one way Oblivion was better, let alone pluralizing it. Hell, I am hard pressed to think of just one way that Morrowind was better and I actually liked that one more out of the two.

Snip ... Skyrim is and action game with RPG elements and no ACTION.

Your whole post cracked me up. I would like to know how that works though.

For Skyrim you can just well be aliterate and still play the game with no inconvenience whatsoever, just enjoy the pretty colors (wich are actually not that pretty).

aliterate? Hah. That's gold right there. I am "a literate"; must be why I enjoy the game so much. I thought Morrowind was "OK", Oblivion was a prime example to how NOT to design a game, yet I praise Skyrim. I don't think your assessment of them being the same game is accurate.

 

[Kalem Pimm]

Frankly, I've read through like five pages of this thread and I can't help but think that this is just one large trolling session by some lonely accountant somewhere (aka the guy that apparently would get as much satisfaction from attempting 999999999 to the power of infinity, just because it gives him a massive number.)

P.S: if you can't figure who I mean by this, shame on you.

P.P.S: ... Because I have no faith in humanity anymore, it's the guy that claims fighting a dragon and a wolf is the same thing.

 

[anthony87]

Frankly, I've read through like five pages of this thread and I can't help but think that this is just one large trolling session by some lonely accountant somewhere (aka the guy that apparently would get as much satisfaction from attempting 999999999 to the power of infinity, just because it gives him a massive number.)

P.S: if you can't figure who I mean by this, shame on you.

P.P.S: ... Because I have no faith in humanity anymore, it's the guy that claims fighting a dragon and a wolf is the same thing.

Heh, while reading your post that was the very guy I was thinking of. God his posts were depressing.....

 

[Kalem Pimm]

Though yeah, I think I should add some actual opinion on this.

Pros for Skyrim:

Leveling system (items particularly)
No bandits in glass armor. Seriously, how is some lonely renegade scraping to survive out in the middle of BF nowhere going to get the what, second best light armor in the game? Okay, it MIGHT happen, but... Wait, there's like five guys in the same armor... And another three over there, and another one behind this door. Wow, Bandits apparently earn more money than lords on a regular basis!

Where as what an enemy wielded was kept realistic. Bandits had mainly iron or steel weapons, with a few RARE higher class weapons thrown in. I am all for editing skills and health to make an opponent hardier, and I loved this approach so much more over '200+ AR for everyone!'


Dual-wielding 'nuff said.


Dragon: They were an experiance, and an exciting one. At no other point in the TES series have I fought anything remotely close to the complex battles offered by dragons. Everything else either charges at you, strafes around a bit shooting arrows or spells at you, or runs away. Dragons swooped, hovered, landed, flew around.

Frequency of dragon attacks: Yeah okay, that's something I can understand. They did get somewhat less impressive when they start attacking you in every village, city and occassionally in the wilderness.

Theme: Vikings, Romans and Dragons are particular loves of mine. So, hell yes for Skyrim.

Story: better impo.

Spells: Yeah, a few of my favorite spells were gone, but you know what? there's alot of room for modding, and DLC to build on this, so it's not a big deal. Worst case scenario, a few spells that just let you meta game are gone, omg, oh no. Seriously, feather spells? Yeah, they let you carry so much extra loot. And well, you don't have to. Especially not if the only reason is to sell it all. Just up your enchanting, Iron daggers with absorb health, banish and just a petty soulgem, sell for 750 each at 50 speech with NO perks put into it.

Weakness to magic, etc. Never got why you would cast a spell to make people weak against spells. The only time I ever used a weakness to magic spell was as a poison on my war-axe, and I was dual-wielding fire-bolt against a group of vampires I was having trouble with. That's it. Otherwise, yeah, probably never would've used it.

What else, Chameleon? Okay, that was pretty cool. (this will be in the Oblivion side)

But other than that, what spells aren't there? and what can't you do?

Custom spells? Yeah. Huh, nope, never really used, because it was just tooo broken. That, and if they manage to balance it, it wouldn't be too different from just using a normal spell. There was only one custom spell I ever had, and it was soul trap 2 seconds with like 30 fire-damage and it was a touch spell.

UI? Yeah, the UI could've been better, but you know what, I don't mind it. It's not THAT hard to use (PS3)

Oh, and while we're on the issue of use, my PS3 is a first gen. I've had it this WHOLE time, and the only problems I get with it, is the occassional stall and lag, which until I hit the '3 hours of straight play' mark are few and far between.

What else has been touched on? the map. Okay, so here's this funny thing, it's called a theme. What's a common theme for northern viking-esque countries to have? oh yeah, lots of snow. Skyrim... Oh wait, can't believe I missed this! the game is actually named after the country it's set in, a viking-sytled country that just happens to be on the north of the continent! So yes, there's snow in Skyrim, it happens ya know?

and all this 'it's all gray' I could go and list all the places where it's actually green, and go on and point out some swamp areas too, some cool little places that I found, like waterfalls, oasis, etc. You know, just scenic little spots? that exist in the game, but I'm way too lazy.

Exploring, adventuring, etc.

Skyrim wins this hands down, purely and simply because the dungeons and ruins, and stuff you stumble on are unique to Skyrim and each one is atleast partially different. That, and there's alot of cool things you can just happen to stumble on in the wilds. My sister was out exploring and ran across a few of the turning puzzle pedastals, and guess what, we solved it and got some loot. From what I recall, never stumbled onto just a randomly placed puzzle with reward in Oblivion.


Pros for Oblivion:

Oblivion realms were kinda cool, not great, but kinda cool.

I miss some of the mobs you found, like the Chanrunt? or whatever that dinosaur one was called.

Chameleon spell, I had an Argonian named Predator I used this spell alot with, just to run around and murder people. It was giggle worthy.

The amount of essentials

One of the things that pissed me off about Skyrim was when I get told 'so wipe out any enemy camps you can' I rock up at an enemy camp with a gleam in my eye and murder on my mind to find out, I CANNOT CLEAR IT! BECAUSE THE COMMANDER WILL NOT DIE! That, and seriously, Idolf Battle-Born esential? Olfin too? why is it the people that make me want to kill them?



What both games did wrong

WHERE THE BLOODY HELL IS MY SPEAR!?