We Are Our Avatars XI (Open)
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[color=660099]"If they don't have a choice, what else are we supposed to do? Lock them up forever? There's a limited amount of resources in the world."[/color] Zevrisya pointed out.
[color=99d039]"Lock them up or, you know, try to actually help them? Research a cure? Maybe put them under house arrest? Just prevent the thefts of this person, I dunno, tie their hands together in public?
Not just throw them away like trash. There are so many more or less better ways to deal with problems than just try to throw them all away.
Maybe you could, with research, also have actual advancements, making it possible to use resources more efficiently, and not just do that shit?"[/color]
Not just throw them away like trash. There are so many more or less better ways to deal with problems than just try to throw them all away.
Maybe you could, with research, also have actual advancements, making it possible to use resources more efficiently, and not just do that shit?"[/color]
[color=660099]"So you'd rather they waste away at home, not contributing to society for the rest of their lives?"[/color] Zev asked.
"I continue to agree with Sarah. There are many other non lethal ways of dealing with criminals. Providing more jobs so that money flows more easily is a great way to prevent any rise of crime. The other good way to prevent this from happening is to send people into rehabilitation or put them under counseling to understand why they are behaving the way they are. We can make a better life for both sides if we understood each other better. And from that you can find the root of the problem that's creating the crimes in the first place."
[color=99d039]"Apparently you don't even give them the chance to contribute to society in other ways ... but yes. Everybody deserves to live.
The worth of a society is measured by how it treats its weakest members."[/color]
The worth of a society is measured by how it treats its weakest members."[/color]
"Well, speaking as someone with a background in psychology, there are these people that, generally speaking, are violent, don't care about morality, can't physically feel pity or empathy for other people. And the worst thing is these people can't be 'helped' for lack of a better term. Am I saying these people deserve to die? Perhaps, perhaps not. But you have to concede that this is a very complex issue. One where death might be the optimal option." I explain. I love this feeling. Talking about my passion.
[color=99d039]"Where the hell did you get your psychology degree?
There are psychopaths, and some of them are criminal, but not all criminals are psychopaths. Other mental illnesses can appear too, and these people can feel pity and empathy, despite what they have done."[/color]
There are psychopaths, and some of them are criminal, but not all criminals are psychopaths. Other mental illnesses can appear too, and these people can feel pity and empathy, despite what they have done."[/color]
"It is complex, that much is certain. Humanity is not a linear creature. I may not be the expert on this. But I know for a fact that where I come from, the accuracy of mental diagnosis has gone up considerably thanks to brain mapping. Still, nothing is perfect. If there's a time without jails, it will go beyond the time of humans in the much deep future."
"Nothing you said contradicted what I said." I point out, slightly annoyed by this blind white-knighting. It probably shows in my deadpan tone. "I think it was obvious i was speaking about psychopaths. Do they make up the majority of criminals? Of course not. But you contest that everyone deserves to live, and I challenged that idea."
"You cannot sperate humans from their flaws and vices. It's a package deal. So prisons are almost a necessity in any settlement of substantial size."
"You cannot sperate humans from their flaws and vices. It's a package deal. So prisons are almost a necessity in any settlement of substantial size."
[color=99d039]"They still deserve to live. Even those people are not at fault that they do not feel remorse.
I'd rather have them feel remorse by any means, then just kill them. That's not even a punishment, really. It's just a waste."[/color]
I'd rather have them feel remorse by any means, then just kill them. That's not even a punishment, really. It's just a waste."[/color]
"Maybe. The transhumans where I'm from have removed the need for violence completely. Save for one, the first one, known as Advisor White. Nevertheless, I would say it's only a matter of time when humans will become something substantially different millions of years from now. If they survive, there will be more of a new species that will retain more strengths than humanity's weaknesses."
[color=660099]"What do you mean 'removed the need for violence completely'?"[/color] Zevrisya asked, a look of sheer confusion on her face.
"It has been shown," Shana said, raising an index finger, "That the higher the intelligence, the lesser the chance for violence to occur. The transhumans were once humans. But they volunteered themselves to be uplinked to a quantum computer that emulates a human mind. This geometrically increases the logic and creative capacities. These people are more than likely to help and restore, than to incite violence. These quantum computers can even store the minds of people that have outlived their biological bodies. This is why the transhumans can live for hundreds of years. The eldest one, Markus, has lived for almost 1000, and he has helped people across the galaxy in an effort to ease their mental pain."
[color=660099]"But that's not removing the need for violence, that's just making a bunch of people that don't want to fight. And dragons can also live for centuries, and are wiser than most humans, but that doesn't make them less violent."[/color]
"Sarah, what you see as a well of untapped potential, I see as a ticking time bomb. And if you think about it, putting them in jail, condemning them to a life of suffering, is rather cruel, almost heartless. You're saying you'd rather see them continue to suffer, and for what? They might contribute something someday? It's a more fitting punishment? You claim to worry about their rights, but in the same breath say they should be locked up to force them to feel bad about what they did?"
"Well that sounds wonderful. Though it brings up the question, can a human without flaws be called human? It might not mean anything to you, but we humans take great pride in our humanity."
"Well that sounds wonderful. Though it brings up the question, can a human without flaws be called human? It might not mean anything to you, but we humans take great pride in our humanity."
"I never said the vast majority of humans where I come from are transhumans. Or that this evolution is done to remove violence from the vast majority of the population. These people that volunteered saw the need to help others through an expanded mind. And with this expansion, they were able to see past violence and found much better solutions. I can't say much about dragons since I haven't seen one, but the transhumans are much more than anything biological."
"The term 'transhuman' is a portmanteau of 'transcendent' and 'human'. They are considered people since they possess consciousness and are able to communicate as an intelligent sentience. But as to whether or not they can be considered human, this has been debated for some time ever since the genesis of Markus and White 1000 years ago. There are those out there that think that humanity is nothing special. Because there are artificial intelligences that can mimic precisely what a human can do. There are others that think these transhumans are still human at the core, they just don't see the need for violence."
"The term 'transhuman' is a portmanteau of 'transcendent' and 'human'. They are considered people since they possess consciousness and are able to communicate as an intelligent sentience. But as to whether or not they can be considered human, this has been debated for some time ever since the genesis of Markus and White 1000 years ago. There are those out there that think that humanity is nothing special. Because there are artificial intelligences that can mimic precisely what a human can do. There are others that think these transhumans are still human at the core, they just don't see the need for violence."
[color=99d039]"Calling them 'ticking timebombs' is just inhumane.
Trying to help them in any way possible, and even if it is just trying to get their morality back, that's more than seeing people as human waste. And they get less rights - but they don't get their most fundamental human right, the right to live, revoked.
As for removing the need for violence: That's quite a good goal to have. If you could resolve things by talking, or by other non-lethal means, it would be good."[/color]
Trying to help them in any way possible, and even if it is just trying to get their morality back, that's more than seeing people as human waste. And they get less rights - but they don't get their most fundamental human right, the right to live, revoked.
As for removing the need for violence: That's quite a good goal to have. If you could resolve things by talking, or by other non-lethal means, it would be good."[/color]