"We surrender" Said the French
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Napoleon- So he lost in the end. Doesn't mean all his other wins meant jack shit. he had major conquests in other parts of the world. Its like saying all of Caesar of Romes battles don't mean anything because he was killedTheMatt said:
As for WW2, yes they lost. But they did come back and help the allied forces take back France. Which means that at the end of the war, they had still Won.
lol that won't work, the germans will find a way to drag us into it.US Crash Fire said:
Btw all this nasty back-and-forth talk is making me hard.
...keep it up guys, you're arguing for something that, in the end, wont change anyone's point of view, i hope you're all just arguing for fun now.
well in all fairness it was the Empire of Japan that dragged us into the last one. Germany was just guilty by association.Agent Nipples said:
.....NO NO NO!
I SAID IM STAYING OUT OF THIS ONE!
DONT QUOTE ME ANYMORE!
grr...
A friend of mine recently visited France. She, like me, has a passing interest in military history and she thought this would be a great trip to check out what France had to say. She left with a smile and returned highly angry. On asking why, I was informed that France has nothing to say about her Allies in WW2. Who liberated France -- the Maquis apparently. Who provided the Maquis with weapons, the French resistance [who were the Maquis, so they apparently armed themselves]. Who allowed France to form a government in exile and helped the Resistance and official French army units? Certainly not Britain, or later America.
It seems only France freed herself, fought off the Wehrmacht, supplied themselves with weapons and won WW2. The only place, she told me, that didn't say "France was here" was, in fact, Pegasus Bridge [granted she didn't see all of the country]. When you are faced with that sort of thing--when family members fought and died to free that country, I think it's an immense insult to their memory to wipe them from history and place the laurels on another's shoulders. From what I know, De Gaulle was an arrogant man who refused to co-operate with his British and American allies almost always. He even made their jobs harder. Is it from his selfish and self-aggrandising stance France has gained this outlook?
It seems only France freed herself, fought off the Wehrmacht, supplied themselves with weapons and won WW2. The only place, she told me, that didn't say "France was here" was, in fact, Pegasus Bridge [granted she didn't see all of the country]. When you are faced with that sort of thing--when family members fought and died to free that country, I think it's an immense insult to their memory to wipe them from history and place the laurels on another's shoulders. From what I know, De Gaulle was an arrogant man who refused to co-operate with his British and American allies almost always. He even made their jobs harder. Is it from his selfish and self-aggrandising stance France has gained this outlook?
Their greatest military leader wasn't french, nor was half the army he used in their greatest campaign.
Also, it is a response to french being twats and claiming they freed themselves.
Also, it is a response to french being twats and claiming they freed themselves.
I can't believe this thread has dragged on for 10 pages already...
You know why the French have a reputation for cowardice? Because the Americans don't like people who don't jump at their orders and invade middle-eastern countries when they say so, so they slandered the entire nation as "cowards" for refusing to invade a sovereign nation on fraudulent pretenses. Willie may have coined the phrase "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" first, but he's a Scottish stereotype; we all know this is all about Iraq. Fuck you America: France saved your ass in the War of Independance (and did you know that Paul Revere's father was FRENCH?) and you trash talk them as soon as they don't mindlessly fall in behind your lies.
And sure, they surrendered in WWII. You know why? Because they'd lost. They didn't just drop their guns and scream like girls as soon as they saw the tanks; they were hit by one of the most brutally efficient military offensives in military history, the blitzkrieg. La Resistance fought against them for the entire war. I'd like to see how well YOU would have done if you weren't separated from Germany by half a continent and an entire ocean. Hey, news flash for you: AMERICA DID NOT WIN WWII ON THEIR OWN. Enough with the bloody Hollywood propaganda! Except for Hawaii, you were never in any danger during the entire war, I don't see what gives you the right to be smug about it.
You know why the French have a reputation for cowardice? Because the Americans don't like people who don't jump at their orders and invade middle-eastern countries when they say so, so they slandered the entire nation as "cowards" for refusing to invade a sovereign nation on fraudulent pretenses. Willie may have coined the phrase "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" first, but he's a Scottish stereotype; we all know this is all about Iraq. Fuck you America: France saved your ass in the War of Independance (and did you know that Paul Revere's father was FRENCH?) and you trash talk them as soon as they don't mindlessly fall in behind your lies.
And sure, they surrendered in WWII. You know why? Because they'd lost. They didn't just drop their guns and scream like girls as soon as they saw the tanks; they were hit by one of the most brutally efficient military offensives in military history, the blitzkrieg. La Resistance fought against them for the entire war. I'd like to see how well YOU would have done if you weren't separated from Germany by half a continent and an entire ocean. Hey, news flash for you: AMERICA DID NOT WIN WWII ON THEIR OWN. Enough with the bloody Hollywood propaganda! Except for Hawaii, you were never in any danger during the entire war, I don't see what gives you the right to be smug about it.
Methinks everyone started bashing the French when they opted out of the so-called "War on Terror".
Because, y'know, that wasn't a complete waste of resources, or a waste of people's lives.
Because, y'know, that wasn't a complete waste of resources, or a waste of people's lives.
i think people often forget that the difference between the US and France in WW2, is that France had the war on their own territorry. Fighting while your civil population is decimated and your cities bombed is not the same as fighting overseas while the vast majority of your population and cities are safe...Arcane Azmadi said:
Actually I do believe the jokes began after WWII. My father made jokes about cowardly French men before the war on terror existed.Crystal Cuckoo said:
Movies and TV shows before the war sometimes talk about the French being cowardly as well.
From what I understand of history, the reason the French are stereotyped as "cowards" is because with the exception of the Napoleonic wars, they haven't won a single major engagement since their founding as a country. And Napoleon wasn't even French.
Take that with a grain of salt though, as I'm a typical American, with slightly more than average knowledge of the outside world.
Take that with a grain of salt though, as I'm a typical American, with slightly more than average knowledge of the outside world.
To be fair, in WW2 France wasn't exactly up against an even opponet, they were up against Germany. Until it came to sea and air warfare, the Germans were unstoppable in Europe. I imagine if Britain didn't have radar technology by then, they would've also surrendered.
That does fit quite well with the arrogant French steriotype, and i hate De Gaulle as well, he held a grudge agianst Britain well into the 1960's where he repeatedly vetoed against Britain joining the EEC.Bonaggy said:
You are so stupid i want to punch my computer screen, and yes i live in france, i just can't think of any other response to this thread than a big "fuck you" - it's really all it deserves.Sovvolf said:Now not long ago I was on Uncyclopedia looking at random stuff for shit's and giggles, upon looking at funny subjects to joke about, mainly my home town (apparently were all inbreeds) I decided to type in France I though it was piss funny but I saw the old We Surrender gag and it got me thinking, well why is this trait often jokingly attributed to the French?. Does this have some thing to do with the background of France or due to war, obviously this stereotype as to have came from some were... but were?, see I haven't done much study on France, I know they were really good fighters at one point back in the 100 year war, so I don't know were it's come from.
I was going to put up a poll asking whether the French are or aren't cowards but I honestly though it may cause flame baiting so I've decided against it. My question here is in no way meant to cause any sort of offence or to start flame baiting, just to figure out why from the members of this forums, why France is plagued by this stereotype.
If you want to learn history then stop sleeping through your junior high classes, if you want to remain a bigot then fine just dont ever come to this country. As for what european countries think of America and Britain there isn't enough space on one page to fit all the negative stereotypes, and stuff like this is exactly the reason they think that way.
As for surrendering, if your nation bordered the residence of the most powerful invading force the world has ever seen, your government may have to reach a compromise too.
Oh and for fuck sake make an effort to spell correctly in what is no doubt the only language you speak.
Did you even read what he said? Or did you just see the words 'French' and 'Cowards' and then ignored the rest? At no time does he say believes in this particular stereotype. The whole point of the post is to understand where it comes from, which seems to contradict your claims that he wants to 'remain a bigot'.veryboringfact said:You are so stupid i want to punch my computer screen, and yes i live in france, i just can't think of any other response to this thread than a big "fuck you" - it's really all it deserves.Sovvolf said:Now not long ago I was on Uncyclopedia looking at random stuff for shit's and giggles, upon looking at funny subjects to joke about, mainly my home town (apparently were all inbreeds
I was going to put up a poll asking whether the French are or aren't cowards but I honestly though it may cause flame baiting so I've decided against it. My question here is in no way meant to cause any sort of offence or to start flame baiting, just to figure out why from the members of this forums, why France is plagued by this stereotype.
If you want to learn history then stop sleeping through your junior high classes, if you want to remain a bigot then fine just dont ever come to this country. As for what european countries think of America and Britain there isn't enough space on one page to fit all the negative stereotypes, and stuff like this is exactly the reason they think that way.
As for surrendering, if your nation bordered the residence of the most powerful invading force the world has ever seen, your government may have to reach a compromise too.
Oh and for fuck sake make an effort to spell correctly in what is no doubt the only language you speak.
Lastly I think you meant 'for fucks sake' at the end not 'for fuck sake'. Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to criticize his English.