WH 40k Your best general build

[Ultrajoe]

The next game, against tyranids, I lost my demon prince early to some shrikes and after that I simply couldn't undo the enemy swarmlord.

Swarms. I hate 'Nid swarms. One of two armys that my Dark Angels just can't muster enough firepower to deal with before getting torn apart in close combat.

I was kitted out from the previous battle, so I had meltas and lascannons when I really needed to tote a few more heavy bolters or flamers. I couldn't be bothered switching out the predator's guns, although the lascannon did prove excellent for immolating the enemy synapse creatures, but not the swarmlord. I'm up against that list in a tournament this sunday, so I'm going to need to change my tactics... or get torn to shreds.

 

[robodukky]

As an ork player, I generally just wheel in Ghazghkull Thraka (who is essentially the biggest ork of them all) and get 30 'ard boyz to accompany him. His special WAAAGH! power has come in so handy when it comes to assaults. The automatic 6 on fleet of foot just kicks so much arse for a turn, and all my guys become fearless for a while as well.

 

[Ultrajoe]

Why even play tabletop when the virtual equivalent is just as good?

Because a good chunk of the experience isn't in the video game. Modelling, converting, creating unique models and painting them *just so* are all vital parts of the hobby. You also don't get to see the models all lined up on the field of battle, ready to kill one another in fantastic fashion, and there's a crucial social component that's not present.

'Some dudes shooting some other dudes' is less cool than your favorite kabalite warrior holding his own against the infamous Brotha' Orktimus, famed in song, legend, and war stories told over post-game drinks.

My lascannon predator, 'Pfähler der Treue', is a war-scarred old beast, and seeing it send a pulsing beam through an enemy warms my heart.

 

[verdant monkai]

Why even play tabletop when the virtual equivalent is just as good?

Because a good chunk of the experience isn't in the video game. Modelling, converting, creating unique models and painting them *just so* are all vital parts of the hobby. You also don't get to see the models all lined up on the field of battle, ready to kill one another in fantastic fashion, and there's a crucial social component that's not present.

'Some dudes shooting some other dudes' is less cool than your favorite kabalite warrior holding his own against the infamous Brotha' Orktimus, famed in song, legend, and war stories told over post-game drinks.

My lascannon predator, 'Pfähler der Treue', is a war-scarred old beast, and seeing it send a pulsing beam through an enemy warms my heart.

Yeah I said just as good, but it's really not. Only in the tactical aspect. I really would like for DoW3 to mirror that army building more closely, and so far the comments made by relic give me hope. Though they did lay off some people recently, what with thq suffering.

No the virtual equivalent is not even a fraction as good as the actual Warhammer game. As the other guy said it is about modelling, converting, painting, scenery making, scenario making, special rules, custom rules and everything else Warhammer is. You get involved in every aspect, although I see why the price scares most people off.
The physical game is better tactically as well (in my opinion) because it is harder game where you are pitted against your friend/opponent who actually cares about what they are fighting with. Has taken time over each piece and wants their own personal army to win, that they themselves have kitted out bought and collected for different purposes.
My point is Dawn of war is just a video game, Warhammer is a hobby, it is more involving than a strategy game, because you sort of know your army because you created it.
But you can prefer DoW if you want I guess.

 

[FURY_007]

I run a fully mech guard army, I have 3 squads of melta vet squads, one with a flamer instead of a 3rd melta, and a platoon with 3 squads currently with lascannons, planning on getting the last two squads, and all in Chimeras. My HQ is a CCS, with a melta, and then the commander has a plasma/powerfist. They ride around ordering my vets, and contributing fire support. I'm planning on getting a Lord Commissar to either make that squad a BA support squad, or to put in Ogryns if I continue building my scratch Ogryns.

 

[FURY_007]

Why even play tabletop when the virtual equivalent is just as good?

Because a good chunk of the experience isn't in the video game. Modelling, converting, creating unique models and painting them *just so* are all vital parts of the hobby. You also don't get to see the models all lined up on the field of battle, ready to kill one another in fantastic fashion, and there's a crucial social component that's not present.

'Some dudes shooting some other dudes' is less cool than your favorite kabalite warrior holding his own against the infamous Brotha' Orktimus, famed in song, legend, and war stories told over post-game drinks.

My lascannon predator, 'Pfähler der Treue', is a war-scarred old beast, and seeing it send a pulsing beam through an enemy warms my heart.

Yeah I said just as good, but it's really not. Only in the tactical aspect. I really would like for DoW3 to mirror that army building more closely, and so far the comments made by relic give me hope. Though they did lay off some people recently, what with thq suffering.

No the virtual equivalent is not even a fraction as good as the actual Warhammer game. As the other guy said it is about modelling, converting, painting, scenery making, scenario making, special rules, custom rules and everything else Warhammer is. You get involved in every aspect, although I see why the price scares most people off.
The physical game is better tactically as well (in my opinion) because it is harder game where you are pitted against your friend/opponent who actually cares about what they are fighting with. Has taken time over each piece and wants their own personal army to win, that they themselves have kitted out bought and collected for different purposes.
My point is Dawn of war is just a video game, Warhammer is a hobby, it is more involving than a strategy game, because you sort of know your army because you created it.
But you can prefer DoW if you want I guess.

I agree with this, and I love both. In the tabletop, you learn what works for you personally and what doesn't. In DoW, all Lascannons are the same, but in the tabletop, my lascannon teams pop Land Raiders with no issue while my lascannons on my vehicles are shit.

 

[colson91]

I would love to get into the tabletop games, but I'm fairly certain I don't have the time or money, so I'll have to stick to dawn of war and space marine. That being said, is it bad if I want to buy some of the figurines for decoration?

 

[Cobelo]

I usually run two HQ units, a daemon prince and a Bolt Of Change sorcerer, maybe with Wind of Chaos also, if I feel like it. I stick him in a unit with some Chaos Space Marines and have him throw lightning bolts out the top of a rhino.

The Demon Prince comes behind the rhino line, ready to fly out and open up a dreadnought or monstrous creature when it appears.

After that, It's down to regular old Chaos Space Marines (in rhinos) and the heavy support choices. A havoc squad with four missile launchers (in a rhino), maybe a suicide squad of Chosen (in a rhino!)

Basically, I put a million bolters and meltas in metal boxes and make 'brrrrrm' noises as I push them up the field, firing the can openers out of the top hatch.

I would run bikes in full squads of ten, if they didn't utterly suck. I'm a hardcore fast attack fan, but I picked the wrong codex for that! Here's hoping for a release this year, with cheaper fucking bikes!

I also model my chosen to be doing the 'standard, slow badass' walk, guns slung over shoulders and grenades hefted in hands.

Wow, another CSM player. I feel priviledged.

My army usually takes two HQs as well, a Terminator Lord with Daemon Weapon (what type depends on who i'm fighting, Slaanesh for MCs, Khorne for swarms, etc.) with a squad of melee Terminators (they aren't SS/TH termies, but lightning claws still hurt) then i'll usually run a sorceror with either Tzeench (Bolt of Change) or Slaanesh (Lash).

The rest of my army involves a few units of CSM, with a tank squad of Plague Marines to soak up fire, as well as a pair of tankhunter Chaos Dreads with Lascannon/Missile Launcher combos. For my heavy i'll take my Defiler for mixed close/long range badassery, and either a Havoc squad/Predator for another tankhunter/infantrysmasher if needed.

My friends really hate those dreadnoughts. Those will have to be in my finished list, as my army is still a work in progress.

Edit for a question: Also, Joe, which do you prefer, looting Space Marines or using CSM models?

 

[Ultrajoe]

Edit for a question: Also, Joe, which do you prefer, looting Space Marines or using CSM models?

CSM models for the basic troopers, I love them spikies. I convert them up in a range of poses and gear loadouts. Some are hefting a bolter and pistol for akimbo styling, some come with two chainswords and a holster just to look cool. As the standard loadout is bolter, pistol and CCW, I figure I'll pick amongst that pool and go with what looks swanky.

As for everything else, I usually convert something up out of whatever looks cool;
- Chaos bikers made out of warhammer fantasy Chaos Knights, slap on a backpack and some 40K weapons and these bad boys come in boxes of five and look mega-slick.
- Raptors with avian heads. Pride of place here goes to my raptor champion, who sports a head made out of the horn from the aforementioned chaos knights sprue.
- Make a unit of bare-headed, graceful chaos marines all with scimitars. Count them as Berserkers for the unequaled combat prowess, but maintain your slaaneshi theme!
- Stick a dirge caster and some spikefence on an upside down missile launcher and switch the side it's on, and you have a sonic dreadnought with blastmaster ready to bring chunky tunes to the loyalist dogs.

 

[verdant monkai]

I would love to get into the tabletop games, but I'm fairly certain I don't have the time or money, so I'll have to stick to dawn of war and space marine. That being said, is it bad if I want to buy some of the figurines for decoration?

No it is not bad at all but if you want my advice. I would seriously suggest that you only buy models of a certain type or army. So if the day comes when you want to start war gaming. The £20/$30 figure on your shelf wont be completely useless to you.

For example say you like the look of the tau models, and you buy a http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1060252. Then you think actually I want some Orks that tau model you bought will be useless.
I have bought models just for the fact they look awesome before, and have regretted it because I cannot use them in my army.

So yeah choose an army and buy stuff from that particular army, so if you want to start you can actually use your stuff.

 

[Cobelo]

Edit for a question: Also, Joe, which do you prefer, looting Space Marines or using CSM models?

CSM models for the basic troopers, I love them spikies. I convert them up in a range of poses and gear loadouts. Some are hefting a bolter and pistol for akimbo styling, some come with two chainswords and a holster just to look cool. As the standard loadout is bolter, pistol and CCW, I figure I'll pick amongst that pool and go with what looks swanky.

As for everything else, I usually convert something up out of whatever looks cool;
- Chaos bikers made out of warhammer fantasy Chaos Knights, slap on a backpack and some 40K weapons and these bad boys come in boxes of five and look mega-slick.
- Raptors with avian heads. Pride of place here goes to my raptor champion, who sports a head made out of the horn from the aforementioned chaos knights sprue.
- Make a unit of bare-headed, graceful chaos marines all with scimitars. Count them as Berserkers for the unequaled combat prowess, but maintain your slaaneshi theme!
- Stick a dirge caster and some spikefence on an upside down missile launcher and switch the side it's on, and you have a sonic dreadnought with blastmaster ready to bring chunky tunes to the loyalist dogs.

All of these sound AWESOME. I actually asked the question because i recently decided to buy some Space Marine Dreadnoughts from a friend and have been desecrating the hell out of them. I still need to buy the lascannon and missile launcher arms, and i'm trying to find a way to kitbash one.