What about the queer female gamers?
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You don't know me, but you slammed the beer on the tap.Emperor Inferno said:
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I dunno.
But you're right.
Sweet Jesus, cant we take this kinda thing to a freakin rally? This is a gaming website, and I dont mean to cause undue offense, but this thread seems unneccesary. Everyone is oppressed somewhere and honestly, if you cant live with bigots, youre just as bad as they are.
Fight prejudice against bigots! They have a right to an opinion too, so long as they have it respectfully and dont cause a damned flame war.
Fight prejudice against bigots! They have a right to an opinion too, so long as they have it respectfully and dont cause a damned flame war.
You are just as sexist and prejudiced as the people you claim to speak out against. It's as simple as that. I've read the majority of your responses to this thread that you started and all I can say is, get rid of the chip on your shoulder.ryuutchi said:Context: you're bad at it.Sovvolf said:Well thank you for answering my question when you re-read your comment you may realise what you've said that is sexist. I'll give you a clue it's the part were you say that there's no harm in insulting men, I'll let get back on to your paranoid rant.
Insofar as men can be insulted in a lasting, harmful way in the context of a community that privileges men's experiences over women's. To quote Cheeze_Pavilion: "It's sort of like hating someone for being rich." Sure, I can make fun of you for it, but in the end, you've still got the power and I still don't.
Guess that makes me a man-hater. Strangely, I'm okay with that. (Or I could go with the cliche: "But some of my best friends are men!")
No one has power over you unless you allow them to have it. I suppose it's easier to just sit back and complain that you can't do anything instead of just going out and changing things, but in the end it's a worthless activity.
And I don't know what universe you live in, but in this one, men don't have magically blessed lives where everything is just easier. Men have their own sterotypes and prejudices to endure, their roles are more locked in and the vast majority of them had to work damn hard to get what they have. Yes, some men may have easy lives and have everything handed to them but so do some women; Paris Hilton would be a good example. It is tiring to see men demonized over and over again just because they were born with a different set of chromosones then women. Men work with what they're given, just like women, and the men that I have met in my life time are, for the most part, good, hardworking, compassionate and interested in seeing equal rights for all people regardless of race, gender, creed etc.
All through this thread you seem so eager to find discrimination that you'll jump on anything. The fact that female homosexuals weren't specifically addressed is suddenly a criminal offense. Personally, I don't think sexual orientation should even be part of a game unless it furthers the plot or is part of the gamer's role playing experience, i.e. you're allowed to marry someone of either gender etc. I don't think the sexual orientation of NPC's should ever be an issue or included unless for some reason it is just that crucial to the plot. And if gay, or transgendered characters for that matter, appear then they should look and act just like everyone else and all the sterotypes should be stripped away. Because they are people just like everyone else.
And yes, I've been discriminated against by men. I've been raped. And I'm telling you now, the only way to see true change is to stop judging people period, which means stop judging people based on their gender.
My first and second points were mutally exclusive of each other, and a baseless insult to counter a baseless statement you made. So touche buddy. Think before you write if you don't want unto you what you dish unto others. I'd have thought that'd be an easy, subconciously known mental blockade in people by now.Emperor Inferno said:
The second statement was in response to this topic, thus the thread's original poster, not you, I don't go purposefully into topics to have it out with someone over preferances. Just what you said struck me as laughably untrue. Nothing past the 'baseless insult' was aimed at you. Enjoy.
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Roman Polanski drugs a girl, rapes her vaginally and anally, and then tells her to hide it from everybody, but she's "jailbait"? So, tell me: did she go all Lolita on him before or after the part where he gave her quaaludes and she told him she didn't want to be there?Therumancer said:
For someone who's so obsessed with child rape, you sure are nonchalant about rape.
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wrong, they are not gay, they are pedophile. Usually when i guy will molest a children that young, they are not at all attracted by adult, woman or man. They only want to have sex with children regardless of their gender.Therumancer said:
I never really got an answer to the question of why a fictional character's sexuality is really that important? I mean, I know when I play games I'm never in to 'sympathize with' or 'become one with' the character. They're a complete seperate entity from myself, for entertainment purposes only and I don't get why their portrayal as gay/straight/bi/fetishticly attracted to a sentient color blue is really that much of a big deal.
"I'm 12 and what is this?"
lol, 'Comics' quite simply is my answer, They got tons of Gay Comics, k? Move along now
lol, 'Comics' quite simply is my answer, They got tons of Gay Comics, k? Move along now
I'll read the rest later (I'm on page two) but could TC answer me this:
I'm not advocating Status Quo, but why bother to write a game about a homosexual, when their sexuality has little or nothing to do with the game? Even in Robert Yang's article he admits that sexuality is a non-factor in his game. If a game was about, say, a woman trying to save her girlfriend from terrorists, do you think at the end of the day I'll care about their sexuality? Of course not, what I'd care about are their characterizations (and the plot/themes), and sexuality is so inconsequential that telling me that a character's preference for girls is as important as her personality and development will provoke me to slap you in the face with a well written book, and demand that you learn what it is to make a good character. You see, writing a novel about a character coping with their sexuality, be that character straight or gay, maker more sense than a novel that happens to have a gay protagonist. Honestly, I fail to see how you could incorporate the former into a game, so what does it matter to this medium?
I don't complain about the lack of Black characters (though I tend to play JRPGs, and thus deserve it) and any attempts to make one would make his/her skin central to his/her character (like the Tyler Parry movies *shudders*), or not matter much to the story enough to make it essential. So, if the character is Black, "Great!" If not, "Great game son!" Or, "I'll drag you're corpse to hell for making this shit!"
I'm also against heterosexual relationships in games, because there are so many more interesting things in a videogame other than, "Oh, they are totally in love! So cute!!!" like, you know, the plot. I'm not Asexual, but adding a relationship for its own sake has never appealed to me, and it takes a lot of skill to write a good romance, and even more to make it into a game.
To me, its all arbitrary. Sexuality and race add little, if anything, to the game. Sexuality is something that should stay where it belongs: books, movies, TV dramas, and Oprah, where the issue can be central to the story, or talk show. So while it would be great for you guys, to me it doesn't matter, because immersion doesn't rely on something so trivial. Ultimately, only one thing matters: was it fun?
I'm not advocating Status Quo, but why bother to write a game about a homosexual, when their sexuality has little or nothing to do with the game? Even in Robert Yang's article he admits that sexuality is a non-factor in his game. If a game was about, say, a woman trying to save her girlfriend from terrorists, do you think at the end of the day I'll care about their sexuality? Of course not, what I'd care about are their characterizations (and the plot/themes), and sexuality is so inconsequential that telling me that a character's preference for girls is as important as her personality and development will provoke me to slap you in the face with a well written book, and demand that you learn what it is to make a good character. You see, writing a novel about a character coping with their sexuality, be that character straight or gay, maker more sense than a novel that happens to have a gay protagonist. Honestly, I fail to see how you could incorporate the former into a game, so what does it matter to this medium?
I don't complain about the lack of Black characters (though I tend to play JRPGs, and thus deserve it) and any attempts to make one would make his/her skin central to his/her character (like the Tyler Parry movies *shudders*), or not matter much to the story enough to make it essential. So, if the character is Black, "Great!" If not, "Great game son!" Or, "I'll drag you're corpse to hell for making this shit!"
I'm also against heterosexual relationships in games, because there are so many more interesting things in a videogame other than, "Oh, they are totally in love! So cute!!!" like, you know, the plot. I'm not Asexual, but adding a relationship for its own sake has never appealed to me, and it takes a lot of skill to write a good romance, and even more to make it into a game.
To me, its all arbitrary. Sexuality and race add little, if anything, to the game. Sexuality is something that should stay where it belongs: books, movies, TV dramas, and Oprah, where the issue can be central to the story, or talk show. So while it would be great for you guys, to me it doesn't matter, because immersion doesn't rely on something so trivial. Ultimately, only one thing matters: was it fun?
*I hate double posting*cathou said:
I don't quite understand this. If a man is into little girls, and not little boys, he's straight to me. He's a sick man, but straight. You could argue that children have no secondary sex characteristics, and there's little to distinguish between them, but i still don't quite buy it. That's like saying that a man who has sex with a women is not straight, he just likes adults with secondary sex characteristics, regardless of sex.
Help me out here.
Last time I checked, lesbians fell under the definition of gay. I read the articles, and, while lesbians weren't specifically mentioned, many things that were said could apply to either male or female homosexuals. You weren't specifically included, but you weren't specifically excluded, either.
Honestly, I don't think sexuality is important at all when it comes to gaming. So you're gay, lesbian, bi, trans, whatever, as long as you don't team kill and know what you're doing, you can be on my team.
As for homosexuality as a story theme, or character in a game, producers and developers make games to make MONEY. If you pander to a minority, you won't be seeing the same revenues as games that take the wide, well traveled road. That's just not good business sense.
And to people complaining about homosexual slurs, grow a thick skin; it's the only way to survive in this world.
Honestly, I don't think sexuality is important at all when it comes to gaming. So you're gay, lesbian, bi, trans, whatever, as long as you don't team kill and know what you're doing, you can be on my team.
As for homosexuality as a story theme, or character in a game, producers and developers make games to make MONEY. If you pander to a minority, you won't be seeing the same revenues as games that take the wide, well traveled road. That's just not good business sense.
And to people complaining about homosexual slurs, grow a thick skin; it's the only way to survive in this world.
I don't think I've ever been more disgusted on the Internet.
You're condescending to someone who's actually being beaten on a regular basis because of your paranoid fantasies? You go through the entire country, every square meter of it, hand-in-hand with your partner. Maybe someone will beat you out of pity. Meanwhile, every man in the country, regardless of sexual preference, has to worry not to move his hips too much when he walks or end up with a shiny new scar. But they don't meet your preconceived notions of victimhood.
And do you know where this violence comes from? It comes from YOU. Not "the patriarchy," YOU. LESBIANS. Not directly, sure, but because of YOU, your victim/oppressed rhetoric, no one cares. Gay men who can't fend for themselves should be able to. Everyone is terrified that the penis might, just might, suddenly leap out independently and attack. There's a reason why in this country, but not others, men are more offended by two men kissing than a severed head, and that reason is YOU. You have coopted the gay movement (thank you, AIDS!), and you have won. Congratulations. Now shut up.
You're condescending to someone who's actually being beaten on a regular basis because of your paranoid fantasies? You go through the entire country, every square meter of it, hand-in-hand with your partner. Maybe someone will beat you out of pity. Meanwhile, every man in the country, regardless of sexual preference, has to worry not to move his hips too much when he walks or end up with a shiny new scar. But they don't meet your preconceived notions of victimhood.
And do you know where this violence comes from? It comes from YOU. Not "the patriarchy," YOU. LESBIANS. Not directly, sure, but because of YOU, your victim/oppressed rhetoric, no one cares. Gay men who can't fend for themselves should be able to. Everyone is terrified that the penis might, just might, suddenly leap out independently and attack. There's a reason why in this country, but not others, men are more offended by two men kissing than a severed head, and that reason is YOU. You have coopted the gay movement (thank you, AIDS!), and you have won. Congratulations. Now shut up.
Fortunately, the medium isn't limited by what you, me, or any other individual can imagine.Grand_Arcana said:
this sounds strange coming from someone who plays JRPGs. Love stories are often vital plot points. For every game like FFVIII, where couples get thrown together because, well, they can, there's another game like FFX or Lunar where love is the central motivating factor driving the plot.Grand_Arcana said:
that's a perfectly reasonable point of view, but it's a personal one. for many people, it does matter, because it's more fun to play as a character they can relate to.Grand_Arcana said:
hmm, normally i ignore both you and cheeze, so i hypothesize that i'm fairly neutral, or at least open-minded.Therumancer said:
to me, your argument seems to be based on the following premises:
1. Molesting younger children is worse than sexually assaulting a teenager.
I disagree. Underage is underage, and the legal penalties are the same. in fact, i'd think sexual assault would be even more traumatic for a pubescent child, since the assault would radically alter the development of their sexuality.
2. Same-sex pedophiles target younger children.
Your evidence for this is anecdotal. i want to see a lot of conclusive, reputable research for this assertion before i believe it.
3. Homosexuals are more likely to molest children.
Correlation does not imply causation. even if it were proven that the vast majority of child molesters victimized same-sex children, this does not constitute evidence that homosexuals are more likely to molest children. Maybe it's just easier for pedophiles to gain access to children of the same sex? Are pedophiles who target a specific gender also attracted to adults of that gender, or are they a separate sexuality entirely?
EDIT: what little research i've googled up so far has indicated that studies have found no correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia, and that male pedophiles generally have no sexual interest in adults of either gender.