What are the "classics" of this console generation?
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The Batman Arkham games will definitely be remembered as classics. Can't think of anything else though.
I shall state now that the majority of my gaming has been on the Xbox 360. I may or may not give reasons depending on how many I list. And I am trying to avoid just picking personal favourites
Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Minecraft
Mass Effect trilogy (hell the ending may still be talked about for years)
Batman: Arkham series
Portal series
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Assassin's Creed series
Oblivion/Skyrim/Fallout 3/Fallout: New Vegas/All of the 'above'/Pick and choose
Bioshock
Saints Row 2
Condemned (probably more of a cult classic(CC))
Mirror's Edge (CC)
Deadly Premonition (definitely CC)
Alpha Protocol (CC)
Rock Band (starting the band in the rhythm genre)
Borderlands
Lost Odyssey (best JRPG)
FIFA 10 - the game that brought FIFA up to and ahead of Pro Evo
Limbo
Braid
The Darkness
Spec Ops: The Line (I hope, but again this may be CC)
Super Mario Galaxy
There will be plenty more however that people will add
Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Minecraft
Mass Effect trilogy (hell the ending may still be talked about for years)
Batman: Arkham series
Portal series
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Assassin's Creed series
Oblivion/Skyrim/Fallout 3/Fallout: New Vegas/All of the 'above'/Pick and choose
Bioshock
Saints Row 2
Condemned (probably more of a cult classic(CC))
Mirror's Edge (CC)
Deadly Premonition (definitely CC)
Alpha Protocol (CC)
Rock Band (starting the band in the rhythm genre)
Borderlands
Lost Odyssey (best JRPG)
FIFA 10 - the game that brought FIFA up to and ahead of Pro Evo
Limbo
Braid
The Darkness
Spec Ops: The Line (I hope, but again this may be CC)
Super Mario Galaxy
There will be plenty more however that people will add
Pretty much all of this, plus the Souls series, and Uncharted? Even though I've never played them, they're critically acclaimed.Andy Shandy said:
[small]*I haven't played the Uncharted series. Dunno if my awful sentence structure there made it clear enough haha[/small]
Batman Arkham Series
Uncharted
Gears of War
Halo: Reach (maybe, more for the multiplayer)
Fallout (I would say 3, others New Vegas, but in general the reboot)
Biochock
Skyrim
Portal
Mass Effect (and maybe Dragon Age 1)
Maybe more, but I haven't played many of them.
I'd also preemptively cast a vote for the Tomv Raider reboot. if it comes off as they want it'll be well remembered I think.
Uncharted
Gears of War
Halo: Reach (maybe, more for the multiplayer)
Fallout (I would say 3, others New Vegas, but in general the reboot)
Biochock
Skyrim
Portal
Mass Effect (and maybe Dragon Age 1)
Maybe more, but I haven't played many of them.
I'd also preemptively cast a vote for the Tomv Raider reboot. if it comes off as they want it'll be well remembered I think.
On that we can agree upon. Although I've only played Arkham City.TheLizardKing said:
Well there's...
Valkyria Chronicles
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Demon's Souls
Dark Souls
Journey
Oblivion
Skyrim
Xenoblade Chronicles
The Last Story
Portal 1 and 2
Team Fortress 2
Those are all off the top of my head. I may be forgetting a couple of games.
-Call of Duty 4
-Arkham series
-Team Fortress 2
-Fight Night Round 3(Really showed off the capabilities on launch for the 360 graphically)
-Bioshock
-Oblivion
-Halo 3
Plenty more, but I feel like others have definitely covered a good chunk.
-Arkham series
-Team Fortress 2
-Fight Night Round 3(Really showed off the capabilities on launch for the 360 graphically)
-Bioshock
-Oblivion
-Halo 3
Plenty more, but I feel like others have definitely covered a good chunk.
Bioshock 1
Both Portals
Littlebigplanet(s)
Mass Effect
Assassin's Creed
Games that I don't think will be considered classics but should be:
Journey
L.A Noire
Infamous 2
Spec Ops: The Line. Can this game please be the "Velvet Underground" of video games (i.e. "Only 10,000 people bought this album, but every one of them started a band")
Both Portals
Littlebigplanet(s)
Mass Effect
Assassin's Creed
Games that I don't think will be considered classics but should be:
Journey
L.A Noire
Infamous 2
Spec Ops: The Line. Can this game please be the "Velvet Underground" of video games (i.e. "Only 10,000 people bought this album, but every one of them started a band")
Bioshock, Portal 1+2, Minecraft, Batman Arkham
There were a few games that came close to making the cut, but fall short for various reasons:
And there's numerous franchises I haven't given any attention to, so I cannot comment (Assassin's Creed, Dark Souls/Demon's Souls).
There were a few games that came close to making the cut, but fall short for various reasons:
The visuals and setting are unified (I actually believe that could be near-future Detroit and China).
The level design is fantastic. The stealth elements are great, and character customization is great (though not as tight as DE1). It's a legitimate fusion of mechanics, environment, and story.
It's not DE1, but it's a good sight closer than any other game to date, including DE2.
Really, the one and only reason I disqualify DE: HR is its total no-prize of an ending (an atrocity in design repeated by Mass Effect 3, to even greater disaster)
People rag on the boss fights, but really, I see them as another puzzle.
There was some thought put into each one that precluded character build, and even though they are lopsided and more than a bit unwanted, I don't hate them. Not like the ending, which pissed me off THAT MUCH.
If Eidos Montreal or Squeenix patched some proper endings to provide closure, I would have no hesitation in putting it among the top games made in the last 8 years.
The level design is fantastic. The stealth elements are great, and character customization is great (though not as tight as DE1). It's a legitimate fusion of mechanics, environment, and story.
It's not DE1, but it's a good sight closer than any other game to date, including DE2.
Really, the one and only reason I disqualify DE: HR is its total no-prize of an ending (an atrocity in design repeated by Mass Effect 3, to even greater disaster)
People rag on the boss fights, but really, I see them as another puzzle.
There was some thought put into each one that precluded character build, and even though they are lopsided and more than a bit unwanted, I don't hate them. Not like the ending, which pissed me off THAT MUCH.
If Eidos Montreal or Squeenix patched some proper endings to provide closure, I would have no hesitation in putting it among the top games made in the last 8 years.
Same franchises. Same old shit. Both Zelda titles are wonderful games with great amounts of polish. But I could not bring myself to play through them again. I'm not even remotely interested. Same with any Mario, Metroid (and I think Metroid Prime 3 is the best game on the Wii period) or Pokemon title.
They have their audience, but that audience is comprised of people who haven't grown up with Nintendo. I own an original working model NES. I own an SNES. I was in the target age groups when those systems were NEW.
Every new generation of Nintendo games is going to be someone's first, and if they love those games I cannot fault them, since I know they were base on extremely solid games to start with.
They have their audience, but that audience is comprised of people who haven't grown up with Nintendo. I own an original working model NES. I own an SNES. I was in the target age groups when those systems were NEW.
Every new generation of Nintendo games is going to be someone's first, and if they love those games I cannot fault them, since I know they were base on extremely solid games to start with.
So, having commented on Nintendo about being derivative, it would appear I'm being very hypocritical; allowing Bioshock but nothing Nintendo.
Bioshock is a mechanical copy of System Shock 2, which itself is one of the best games of all time.
However, Bioshock's key differences don't lie in its mechanics, which are in fact dumbed down from SS2, but in its unified audio-visual style and its somewhat deeper commentary on the philosophy of Objectivism.
In contrast, Zelda: Twilight Princess doesn't really have anything significantly different about it compared to say, Ocarina of Time. The Wii controls are wonky and inferior, the pacing is atrocious, the level design is mostly tedious, most of your inventory is gimmick, and the confrontation is the same tired shit I've seen from Zelda since the very first game.
What I'm saying: I would greatly appreciate it more, if I hadn't played Ocarina of Time.
Bioshock's changes aren't just superficial (even though I prefer SS2 for its higher difficulty and greater variant play); there is something of a message in that game, and it does greatly improve on its presentation compared to SS2.
In analog to Nintendo's other franchises: Mario Galaxy is just Mario 64 version 3. Great game, but again, I would appreciate it more if I hadn't played Mario 64.
Mario Kart, Pokemon, and Kirby all fall into the same logic.
Keep in mind, I had to seriously think about this.
If Deus Ex: Human Revolution just barely missed the cut, Bioshock barely makes the cut by a much tighter margin.
Bioshock is a mechanical copy of System Shock 2, which itself is one of the best games of all time.
However, Bioshock's key differences don't lie in its mechanics, which are in fact dumbed down from SS2, but in its unified audio-visual style and its somewhat deeper commentary on the philosophy of Objectivism.
In contrast, Zelda: Twilight Princess doesn't really have anything significantly different about it compared to say, Ocarina of Time. The Wii controls are wonky and inferior, the pacing is atrocious, the level design is mostly tedious, most of your inventory is gimmick, and the confrontation is the same tired shit I've seen from Zelda since the very first game.
What I'm saying: I would greatly appreciate it more, if I hadn't played Ocarina of Time.
Bioshock's changes aren't just superficial (even though I prefer SS2 for its higher difficulty and greater variant play); there is something of a message in that game, and it does greatly improve on its presentation compared to SS2.
In analog to Nintendo's other franchises: Mario Galaxy is just Mario 64 version 3. Great game, but again, I would appreciate it more if I hadn't played Mario 64.
Mario Kart, Pokemon, and Kirby all fall into the same logic.
Keep in mind, I had to seriously think about this.
If Deus Ex: Human Revolution just barely missed the cut, Bioshock barely makes the cut by a much tighter margin.
This one is simple. I think CoD4.0 (the first game) is great.
But it isn't an instant-classic. Why?
Because when I first played it, I immediately felt like I had already played it. As in, all of it. Story. Single-player. Multiplayer.
I've played Counterstrike. I've played Halo. This is a direct fusion of those games.
Yes, the ending is chilling and somewhat shocking. But I did not give a flying FUCK about ANY of the characters in the game. I did not care one whit about what was going on.
And it isn't because I don't like the setting. I love early Shadowrun (which is based directly on OUR near-future modern world. At least initially).
I enjoyed Tom Clancy novels once upon a time.
I fucking enjoyed STARCRAFT novels (*hangs head in shame*).
It's not the setting. It's the characters and the story.
And the multiplayer is just that fusion of Counterstrike and Halo. I wasn't blown away. I wasn't even remotely impressed.
And apart from the mechanics, it's just the same haven of griefers and assholes I've come to expect from popular multiplayer games. Badly designed generic maps with overdone exploits.
It's a tradition that would continue to its many direct clone-sequels.
But it isn't an instant-classic. Why?
Because when I first played it, I immediately felt like I had already played it. As in, all of it. Story. Single-player. Multiplayer.
I've played Counterstrike. I've played Halo. This is a direct fusion of those games.
Yes, the ending is chilling and somewhat shocking. But I did not give a flying FUCK about ANY of the characters in the game. I did not care one whit about what was going on.
And it isn't because I don't like the setting. I love early Shadowrun (which is based directly on OUR near-future modern world. At least initially).
I enjoyed Tom Clancy novels once upon a time.
I fucking enjoyed STARCRAFT novels (*hangs head in shame*).
It's not the setting. It's the characters and the story.
And the multiplayer is just that fusion of Counterstrike and Halo. I wasn't blown away. I wasn't even remotely impressed.
And apart from the mechanics, it's just the same haven of griefers and assholes I've come to expect from popular multiplayer games. Badly designed generic maps with overdone exploits.
It's a tradition that would continue to its many direct clone-sequels.
I don't own a PS3, and haven't spent that much time on one. So...I can't comment on their exclusives. At all. Because it wouldn't be remotely fair.
Sorry :\
Sorry :\
This is the first Halo game I've genuinely enjoyed. It honestly feels like the first game in the series since the original that made ANY sort of mechanical progress.
The story was decent too, though my friend hates it because of the heavy amount of Retconning done (which I am utterly ignorant about so it didn't bother me at all).
So what holds it back? It is an improvement, but it's hampered by the fact that I played the previous Halo games. If this had been my first, or maybe second Halo game (with ODST being the first) I would have put this onto the list.
But it just feels...too similar, again. And that sucks because Bungie put genuine effort into all aspects of the game, rather than just the multiplayer for once.
This was another near miss, but I cannot add it to the classics list because it just didn't do quite enough differently. If the core level design were more involved, it would have tipped the scales. If the characters were a bit more fleshed out, I could have enjoyed it in a "Starship Troopers" kind of way.
The story was decent too, though my friend hates it because of the heavy amount of Retconning done (which I am utterly ignorant about so it didn't bother me at all).
So what holds it back? It is an improvement, but it's hampered by the fact that I played the previous Halo games. If this had been my first, or maybe second Halo game (with ODST being the first) I would have put this onto the list.
But it just feels...too similar, again. And that sucks because Bungie put genuine effort into all aspects of the game, rather than just the multiplayer for once.
This was another near miss, but I cannot add it to the classics list because it just didn't do quite enough differently. If the core level design were more involved, it would have tipped the scales. If the characters were a bit more fleshed out, I could have enjoyed it in a "Starship Troopers" kind of way.
Consisting of: Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Skyrim.
These games are quite immersive and engaging in an imagination-level, something few games do. However, I cut them for one simple, objective fact: THEY ARE BUGGY AS FUCK.
Seriously. Recounting the untold HOURS of personal time and labor I've spent trying to make them work on GAMING QUALITY MACHINES THAT COULD RUN EVERYTHING ELSE AT GOOD QUALITY alone just makes me mad.
These games tickle my wanderlust and imagination, and that's great.
But I will endlessly rain criticism and bile at Bethesda for not attempting to correct glaring, gamebreaking glitches in their games. Problems that have been recurring for EIGHT YEARS.
To put that into perspective, consider how long the Source Engine has been in service.
Even the buggiest fan/modder-programmed game I've played on the Source Engine NEVER CRASHED WITHIN AN HOUR OF BOOTING EVERY TIME.
Even on consoles, the bugs are legendary. (Backwards-flying dragons? Game-save wipes? Lagging/hangs/crashes? Hilarious Physics engine bugs?)
On PC, you either win the hardware lottery, or you test your patience. For critically-acclaimed "Game of the Year" titles, I find their technical failings completely unacceptable.
If they fixed those issues, I would be more inclined to looking favorably at them.
These games are quite immersive and engaging in an imagination-level, something few games do. However, I cut them for one simple, objective fact: THEY ARE BUGGY AS FUCK.
Seriously. Recounting the untold HOURS of personal time and labor I've spent trying to make them work on GAMING QUALITY MACHINES THAT COULD RUN EVERYTHING ELSE AT GOOD QUALITY alone just makes me mad.
These games tickle my wanderlust and imagination, and that's great.
But I will endlessly rain criticism and bile at Bethesda for not attempting to correct glaring, gamebreaking glitches in their games. Problems that have been recurring for EIGHT YEARS.
To put that into perspective, consider how long the Source Engine has been in service.
Even the buggiest fan/modder-programmed game I've played on the Source Engine NEVER CRASHED WITHIN AN HOUR OF BOOTING EVERY TIME.
Even on consoles, the bugs are legendary. (Backwards-flying dragons? Game-save wipes? Lagging/hangs/crashes? Hilarious Physics engine bugs?)
On PC, you either win the hardware lottery, or you test your patience. For critically-acclaimed "Game of the Year" titles, I find their technical failings completely unacceptable.
If they fixed those issues, I would be more inclined to looking favorably at them.
And there's numerous franchises I haven't given any attention to, so I cannot comment (Assassin's Creed, Dark Souls/Demon's Souls).
So Mass Effect is the Ultima of this console generation?Andy Shandy said:
I'd post my own list, but you seem to have already touched the basics (might disagree with Condemned and Lost Odessey, but meh). I would also probably add Just Cause 2, inFAMOUS 2, Battlefield Bad Company 2 (for the destructo physics alone), the Monster Hunter series, the Uncharted series, the Left 4 Dead series, the Souls series, Journey, L.A. Noire, and Red Dead Redemption.
GTA IV and Final Fantasy XIII also deserve mention as the current iteration of what direction their respective series have taken their games in this console generation, to the denouncement/approval of their fanbases alike.
I second this. They will go down in game history as the greatest comic games of all time.TheLizardKing said:
- Mass Effect (series as a whole)
- Crysis (mostly 2)
- Batman Arkham Asylum
- Bioshock (NOT 2)
- Deus Ex: HR
- Portal 1 and 2
- JOURNEY
- Halo Reach (best online MP i've ever seen)
- Scott Pilgrim VS The World: The Game (maybe that would be a cult classic...>,<)
- Crysis (mostly 2)
- Batman Arkham Asylum
- Bioshock (NOT 2)
- Deus Ex: HR
- Portal 1 and 2
- JOURNEY
- Halo Reach (best online MP i've ever seen)
- Scott Pilgrim VS The World: The Game (maybe that would be a cult classic...>,<)
Mass Effect 1-3 and Bioshock are definitely gonna go down as classics. Halo: Reach will be another. Skyrim. Um... Cod4. There's so many.