No problem. The thing is, surf hurts your own pokemon as well, and I don't usually do a rain dance team or water absorb stuff. well, maybe with that new bulb item.. oh, I usually have my Tyranitar with me, and it knows surf.Overlordkain said:Then I'm sorry but "ur doin it rong" - At least in an extremely competitive environment, which you seem think yourself in since you are using your (super god tier) Pokemon to rip apart other peoples "favourites" posted, In a proper competitive scene, there just is not enough space in the 4 move slots for water spout.Shakomaru said:Actually, I switched surf for water spout, since Kyogre has a ton of health, and it has more power than surf, plus drizzle.
Edit - Wow, sorry that made me sound like a real dick, but I can't be bothered to change it either so just try not to read too much into it as an attack.
Yea I getcha, at the end of the day it is all down to preference anyway since it is just a game, and games are for fun, in one vs one though where you can freely spam surf it really is just broken on a rainy day Kyogre even without massive amounts of care taken when EV training.Shakomaru said:No problem. The thing is, surf hurts your own pokemon as well, and I don't usually do a rain dance team or water absorb stuff. well, maybe with that new bulb item.. oh, I usually have my Tyranitar with me, and it knows surf.
5th gen doesn't really bring anything super good. there's a water move that burns, an ice move that has a 100% critical hit chance, and dive comes back.Overlordkain said:Yea I getcha, at the end of the day it is all down to preference anyway since it is just a game, and games are for fun, in one vs one though where you can freely spam surf it really is just broken on a rainy day Kyogre even without massive amounts of care taken when EV training.Shakomaru said:No problem. The thing is, surf hurts your own pokemon as well, and I don't usually do a rain dance team or water absorb stuff. well, maybe with that new bulb item.. oh, I usually have my Tyranitar with me, and it knows surf.
Point is, I was never disagreeing with the thunder use part, just making sure you don't totally forget about surf which really is fantastic, both moves along with Ice Beam are always on my competitive Kyogre set for the like... one battle a century that Uber tier are allowed (the fourth usually being Clear mind for 1HKO goodness from his insane SPATK). I'm have not gotten around to delving into generation 5 yet, but there are a few that look promising but I can't imagine anything more disgustingly powerful than Kyogre who is already game breaking enough.
Shakomaru said:5th gen doesn't really bring anything super good. there's a water move that burns, an ice move that has a 100% critical hit chance, and dive comes back.Overlordkain said:Yea I getcha, at the end of the day it is all down to preference anyway since it is just a game, and games are for fun, in one vs one though where you can freely spam surf it really is just broken on a rainy day Kyogre even without massive amounts of care taken when EV training.Shakomaru said:No problem. The thing is, surf hurts your own pokemon as well, and I don't usually do a rain dance team or water absorb stuff. well, maybe with that new bulb item.. oh, I usually have my Tyranitar with me, and it knows surf.
Point is, I was never disagreeing with the thunder use part, just making sure you don't totally forget about surf which really is fantastic, both moves along with Ice Beam are always on my competitive Kyogre set for the like... one battle a century that Uber tier are allowed (the fourth usually being Clear mind for 1HKO goodness from his insane SPATK). I'm have not gotten around to delving into generation 5 yet, but there are a few that look promising but I can't imagine anything more disgustingly powerful than Kyogre who is already game breaking enough.
psychic/fireOverlordkain said:That is a shame, I do wish they would stop dicking around and mix up some of the type combinations a little more the game is already terribly unbalanced so it is not like that should be much of a factor. Give us some damn Ice/Fire/Electric/Rock/Dark/Bug + Dragon types, or a psychic fireball and an Iceman wrestler, anything to mix it up a little. I mean its all well and good having a set formula but starting every game with either fire/grass/water and then walking into the bushes to find Ratatta/Sentret/Zigzagoon/Bidoof or Pigey/Hoothoot/Tailow/Starly really does not do well to make it feel like a new game every generation.
I don't recall surf damaging your own Pokemon in 2v2 matches up to the 4th Generation. I haven't played the 5th yet, but as far as I remember, Earthquake was the only attack I can think of off the top of my head that damages every Pokemon except the one using it. My memory could be a bit muddy though, I don't think I really used Surf much in 2v2 matches and I've never done anything with Pokemon outside of the single-player stories.Shakomaru said:No problem. The thing is, surf hurts your own pokemon as well, and I don't usually do a rain dance team or water absorb stuff. well, maybe with that new bulb item.. oh, I usually have my Tyranitar with me, and it knows surf.