what caused raptures demise

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DisturbiaWolf13

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Glerken said:
I think it was bad grammar and spelling.
It does instill fear in even the greatest men.
......You spelled "instil" wrong.
Oh god the irony.

no he didnt. instill ends with double l.
 

DisturbiaWolf13

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sorry i dont know if i did this right the first time.

that guy spelt instill correctly,it was you who misspelt.
 

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MaxTheReaper said:
masakoz said:
MaxTheReaper said:
masakoz said:
with the new bioshock comeing out, i thought it would be nice to hear from all of you what you think coused the demise of rapture(other then fontaine okz be creative).personaly, i think it was lack of religion and morals
Yes.
Definitely.
As we all know, it is the lack of religion that causes people to kill one another.

History is on your side here.
where you being sarcastic there im sorry i just find it hard to follow sarcasm on the internet also saying relgion is bad is like calling all germans nazi dont dwell on the past
...Of course I was being sarcastic.

Also, I didn't say religion was bad, now did I?
I believe you will find the answer is "No, Max, you did not."
All I was saying was this: Saying that a "lack of religion" caused anything to collapse, ever, is a ridiculous statement.
One unsupported by facts.

Furthermore, I wasn't dwelling on the past. Just remember: Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
Instead of telling others not to dwell, maybe you should study a bit of history.
And, gods willing, some grammar.
you my friend are the reason the raceist card is still around
 

SLy AsymMetrY

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A little off-topic but as much as I liked Bioshock, I always thought it was a waste setting the game during the demise of Rapture. All the time, I kept wondering what it would be like playing in a thriving underwater city.

Anyways, isolation+drugs=melting pot. First it simmers (with paranoia), then it boils (paranoia turns to violence), then it overflows (violence spreads, destruction reigns).

My dad once set a pot of water on fire. Don't know how he did it. Didn't think it was even possible. Sorry. Rambling again.
 

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Literally yes, but ADAM was also metaphor for society unbound by any concept of morals. Moreover, a concept of morality and a limitation on "playing god" would've also stemmed the damage of ADAM in a literal sense.

Bioshocks message isn't necessarily that you have to be religeous, or conservative, or believe this is wrong or that is wrong. Bioshocks message is there is some base line of human decency somewhere, something that defies culture or faith, and you should not cross that line.

But as has been mentioned, ADAM just sped the decay. Also at issue was Ryans fear of the outside world (Ryan is CLEARLY a play on Howard Hughs btw with his OCD control tendencies) and peoples disatisfaction with their hyper capitalist environment.

A movement to any extremity is a movement of self destruction.
The big daddies couldn't have helped much either.
 

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MaxTheReaper said:
masakoz said:
MaxTheReaper said:
masakoz said:
with the new bioshock comeing out, i thought it would be nice to hear from all of you what you think coused the demise of rapture(other then fontaine okz be creative).personaly, i think it was lack of religion and morals
Yes.
Definitely.
As we all know, it is the lack of religion that causes people to kill one another.

History is on your side here.
where you being sarcastic there im sorry i just find it hard to follow sarcasm on the internet also saying relgion is bad is like calling all germans nazi dont dwell on the past
...Of course I was being sarcastic.

Also, I didn't say religion was bad, now did I?
I believe you will find the answer is "No, Max, you did not."
All I was saying was this: Saying that a "lack of religion" caused anything to collapse, ever, is a ridiculous statement.
One unsupported by facts.

Furthermore, I wasn't dwelling on the past. Just remember: Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
Instead of telling others not to dwell, maybe you should study a bit of history.
And, gods willing, some grammar.
I bet the papacy would collapse due to a lack of religion

on topic i agree with most posrters that a larhe supply of readily avalible weapons + genetic enhancements+lack of sunlight = trouble
 

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Humans are all basically bad creatures who need to be humble. Christianity isn't far off the mark there even if some of it is fanciful. So, rapture was doomed because of hubris. In other words, pride comes before a fall.
 

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I just completed a play-through (on hard with no vita-chambers even!) and I think I can shed some light...

Fontaine shows up and becomes the next big thing in Rapture. He builds a company that winds up bigger and more powerful than Ryan Industries. Eventually, this company, Fontaine Futuristics, invests in the genetic research of one Dr. Tenebaum. She's discovered a sea slug that can secrete stem cells, also known as ADAM. Competition for bigger and better Plasmids breaks out and the heat between Ryan Industries and Fontaine Futuristics only gets worse.

Suddenly, Fontaine winds up dead. Andrew Ryan winds up nationalizing Fontaine Futuristics, which sets angers the populace. Another man, Atlas, takes advantage of this. Eventually, Ryan, who has set himself as governor of Rapture starts wages war on Atlas. The resulting civil war tears Rapture apart. But Ryan winds up briefly the victor. He's gained control of all of the ADAM, which is addicting, and then his Plasmids already have properties that make the people more open to mental suggestion. So, everyone in Rapture who had used ADAM follows Andrew Ryan.

And then that's where you step in.

Put simply, greed. Greed is what killed Rapture.
 

Squarewave

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Rapture fell because of 2 things

A society based on objectivism results in people doing anything possible to gain power (using plasmids, ignoring basic morals)

People at the bottom of the food chain became frustrated with getting stepped on making them easy to control with a combination of religion and false promises by Fontaine. The social structure started to break and thus anarchy started when Fontaine smuggled in bibles, a man who's primary goal was to take over rapture


It also doesn't help when you build a city underwater hundreds of miles from land with no easy way to get off. Even without all the mess of plamids and whatnot the isolation would drive many insane
 

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implodingMan said:
It might have had something to do with the machine guns and rocket launchers available in vending machines all over the city.
ROFL!!!!
 

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timmytom1 said:
MaxTheReaper said:
masakoz said:
MaxTheReaper said:
masakoz said:
with the new bioshock comeing out, i thought it would be nice to hear from all of you what you think coused the demise of rapture(other then fontaine okz be creative).personaly, i think it was lack of religion and morals
Yes.
Definitely.
As we all know, it is the lack of religion that causes people to kill one another.

History is on your side here.
where you being sarcastic there im sorry i just find it hard to follow sarcasm on the internet also saying relgion is bad is like calling all germans nazi dont dwell on the past
...Of course I was being sarcastic.

Also, I didn't say religion was bad, now did I?
I believe you will find the answer is "No, Max, you did not."
All I was saying was this: Saying that a "lack of religion" caused anything to collapse, ever, is a ridiculous statement.
One unsupported by facts.

Furthermore, I wasn't dwelling on the past. Just remember: Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
Instead of telling others not to dwell, maybe you should study a bit of history.
And, gods willing, some grammar.
I bet the papacy would collapse due to a lack of religion
Hasn't stopped them so far! *wind whistles in the silent audience* Fuck.

NOTE: Purely a cheap joke - I was actually christianed a Catholic, and went to a Catholic secondary (mainly because it was abit better than the other schools). Anywho, I'm Angoist, and won't be offended if you throw 'sitting on the fence' puns at me ;)
 

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Silva said:
Andrew Ryan is an anagram for "New Ayn Rand"
Almost, but there's an R where a N is needed. For it to be an anagram of "New Ayn Rand" his name would have to be Andrew Nyan.
 

masakoz

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MaxTheReaper said:
masakoz said:
you my friend are the reason the raceist card is still around
...The fuck?

Okay, you...
Just, no. I can't express in words how stupid that was. Never speak to me again.
timmytom1 said:
I bet the papacy would collapse due to a lack of religion

on topic i agree with most posrters that a larhe supply of readily avalible weapons + genetic enhancements+lack of sunlight = trouble
Touche.

I don't get why people are saying the lack of sunlight would cause issues - I've heard of cases where people go made from lack of sun, but I go mad if I'm exposed to it at all.
You guys are just weird.
yeah becouse your so important oh and nice picture jack ass
 

masakoz

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MaxTheReaper said:
masakoz said:
yeah becouse your so important oh and nice picture jack ass
There you go, pretending I said something I didn't.
I never said I was important. I simply said that you are an idiot.

Additionally, "Never speak to me again."
There was no part of this statement that wasn't crystal clear.

EDIT: And if I needed any more reason to ignore you, this would work nicely:
masakoz said:
why do it why correct grammar do you get money out of it, no. are you given online metal for it no. so why do it its not like anybodys gunna say hey your so awesome you corrected grammar but instead you just look like a jack ass doing it
And so would this:
masakoz said:
but there is also no reason to have good grammar
Actually, that entire thread is basically a great reason to ignore you.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.109620?page=1

EDIT2: As a matter of fact, you know who you remind me of, making a thread complaining about people calling you on grammar?
"rads are your friend," I believe his name was.
and that pobration isnt really gunna give you a good face hmm probation on a feminist page you must be the most niceist person, i ever met. :)