What did 9/11 do to you kids? (Read beyond thread title and relate to the OP or so help me)

[IckleMissMayhem]

Well, I'd say the 7/7 attacks in London affected me a lot more than the 11/9/01 attacks, mainly because I was in France at the time, heard garbled rumours, and crappy news reports in french, and knew my family were doing touristy things in London that day. So that was quite scary, but it turned out they were nowhere near any of the areas directly affected by the attacks.

What bothers me most about the "War on Terror" (TM) is that British Forces are so bloody tied down by their rules of engagement bullshit that they're unable to even defend themselves if under attack in Afghanistan. Added to that that a very close friend and also my boyfriend's brother are heading out on tours there in the next month or so means I'll be crapping my pants anytime any poor squaddie gets killed for the forseeable future...

 

[Nikolaz72]

Oh thousands of people died BIG WHOOP. A couple of tens of years ago we could have said Millions had died. Why the harsher reaction? BECAUSE THEY ARE AMERICANS! You know. The people with a big media that can be there, film it, broadcast it to every channel across the globe in just below lets say.. 5 Minutes.

Just after getting that out. We live in one of the most peacefull times there have ever been in the history of mankind, if our children cant grow safely up in that where can they grow up? We dont have the problem of people dying in millions from war, we have overpopulation. Heck we are even so well done ourselves that we can now look to the problems of others, like the country's one thousand times poorer than us. I Would have said africa but as a whole country they are quite rich on raw materials, quite sad the white man had to take it all eh? But its not our fault. They were doomed already at the romans.

Denmark's send some tens of thousand to the east. About 35 has died. Most of them probably from roadside bombs which means that they arent dying from the war they are dying for just being there. So i cant see the big reason NOT to pull out.

Still. For just about a day we got a taste of american media. Wanting to brainwash you and tell you about the impending danger that MAY kill you, and MAY bring down the world tomorrow. TODAY!

Its hard to believe theres even people who want to believe that Bush was better than Obama. No matter which side you are politically on. No one can be worse without trying at least.

ok ill try to be objective while explaining this if we pull out there are 3 things that could happen
1) the best outcome: the iraqis get a new govrnment that has some control over its people.
2)middle ground: we end up with another sadam
3)wost possible case: the country is taken over by the taliban or another extreemist group who then use it as a base to launch attacks on EVERYONE in the west. They may hate the US the most but they hate every western country.

In truth i think your right we should pull everyone out then we can correct our mistake and just nuke the basterds the next time were attacked then we wont have to spend 9 years hearing other people ***** about it. I would like to make this clear i have no problem with countrys staying out of conflicts they dont suport but when you make that choice you have no right to coment on how it was waged.

BTW bush was better then obama he spent maybe HALF of what obama spent in 8 years, and kept our ecconimy pretty stable. Bush gets alot of bad press because thats the way he was portyed in the media, were as obama has the support of most of the media but even that cant help him.....

Lets be seein here. If Bush had stayed about a couple of months more he would have been at the start of the financial crisis. If he didnt spent any money you might see the nation itself not having a minus on the account but just about every small bank and smaller private company's would be eliminated removing the competetion from the bigger ones. And if you look at Bank of America just to take an example. Thats a bad thing, creates corruption.

So what Obama has done is sacraficing something now to gain more in the future. I would understand why people would wait to thank him till they see results though. But someone should seriously try to look further than the taxes.

And i did not mean that somebody should drop a nuke on them FYI the US Military has probably already killed more civilians than taliban themselves. They just havent been so good at filming it. Again showing how effective the media is at misleading i mean taliban killing a whole school while the US bombs a village the difference is nothing except one is in the middle of a city with camera's and the other doesnt spread beyond local news, the reason that a lot of young people have actually joined this coalition is because they lost familly to troops in their country who are there to save them.

 

[Lord Monocle Von Banworthy]

Let me tell you a little story about the pre-1989 world.

There used to be these bad guys called the Soviets. When I was starting to grew up, we all knew - KNEW that they were going to push The Button and start World War 3 and blow up the whole world. Read some old sci fi from the 50s through the 70s. Why was it all post-apocalyptic? Because there was going to be an apocalypse. No doubt about it.

I wish I could have gone back in time and told all those people who lived in fear for decades that it was only a matter of time before everything they knew would perish in fire and tell them that by 2010 the worst thing that would happen in the United States of America is that a couple of buildings got knocked down and around three thousand (not million or billion, but THOUSAND) people got killed. I wish I could go back in time and see their joy.

I was born in 1981, which means I was 8 when the Wall fell. I was a pretty smart kid and I loved Golden Age Sci-Fi. I was pretty politically aware. I had seen Duck and Cover by the time I was a first grader. I really remember that fear and when it went away. My siblings were born in 1961 and 1968. They spent their whole childhoods and young adulthood with that fear.

So, yeah. Guys with box cutters and car bombs and dynamite vests? A couple of buildings I was never going to see full of people I was never going to meet? I love you all for being so bleedingly human you can actually make yourselves care about something like that, because I sure can't.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

3)wost possible case: the country is taken over by the taliban or another extreemist group who then use it as a base to launch attacks on EVERYONE in the west. They may hate the US the most but they hate every western country.

It would be very hard for the Taliban to ever take control of Iraq or Afghanistan fully without full-on coercion of government at every level for a decent period of time. Most of the people living there currently hate the Taliban and Al Queda. The only reason they would ever join them is either by indoctrination (low literacy rates), or Western forces killing their families, in which the promise of revenge by these fringe extremist groups against those forces would be compelling for that individual.

You really overestimate these terrorist cells. Which is part of the reason they've been winning on the mentality level for all these years in the Western nations.

OT: I was in Grade 6, saw the footage as it was taking place on the news in the morning. Didn't really know much about it at the time, until years later.

 

[ecoho]

Oh thousands of people died BIG WHOOP. A couple of tens of years ago we could have said Millions had died. Why the harsher reaction? BECAUSE THEY ARE AMERICANS! You know. The people with a big media that can be there, film it, broadcast it to every channel across the globe in just below lets say.. 5 Minutes.

Just after getting that out. We live in one of the most peacefull times there have ever been in the history of mankind, if our children cant grow safely up in that where can they grow up? We dont have the problem of people dying in millions from war, we have overpopulation. Heck we are even so well done ourselves that we can now look to the problems of others, like the country's one thousand times poorer than us. I Would have said africa but as a whole country they are quite rich on raw materials, quite sad the white man had to take it all eh? But its not our fault. They were doomed already at the romans.

Denmark's send some tens of thousand to the east. About 35 has died. Most of them probably from roadside bombs which means that they arent dying from the war they are dying for just being there. So i cant see the big reason NOT to pull out.

Still. For just about a day we got a taste of american media. Wanting to brainwash you and tell you about the impending danger that MAY kill you, and MAY bring down the world tomorrow. TODAY!

Its hard to believe theres even people who want to believe that Bush was better than Obama. No matter which side you are politically on. No one can be worse without trying at least.

ok ill try to be objective while explaining this if we pull out there are 3 things that could happen
1) the best outcome: the iraqis get a new govrnment that has some control over its people.
2)middle ground: we end up with another sadam
3)wost possible case: the country is taken over by the taliban or another extreemist group who then use it as a base to launch attacks on EVERYONE in the west. They may hate the US the most but they hate every western country.

In truth i think your right we should pull everyone out then we can correct our mistake and just nuke the basterds the next time were attacked then we wont have to spend 9 years hearing other people ***** about it. I would like to make this clear i have no problem with countrys staying out of conflicts they dont suport but when you make that choice you have no right to coment on how it was waged.

BTW bush was better then obama he spent maybe HALF of what obama spent in 8 years, and kept our ecconimy pretty stable. Bush gets alot of bad press because thats the way he was portyed in the media, were as obama has the support of most of the media but even that cant help him.....

Lets be seein here. If Bush had stayed about a couple of months more he would have been at the start of the financial crisis. If he didnt spent any money you might see the nation itself not having a minus on the account but just about every small bank and smaller private company's would be eliminated removing the competetion from the bigger ones. And if you look at Bank of America just to take an example. Thats a bad thing, creates corruption.

So what Obama has done is sacraficing something now to gain more in the future. I would understand why people would wait to thank him till they see results though. But someone should seriously try to look further than the taxes.

And i did not mean that somebody should drop a nuke on them FYI the US Military has probably already killed more civilians than taliban themselves. They just havent been so good at filming it. Again showing how effective the media is at misleading i mean taliban killing a whole school while the US bombs a village the difference is nothing except one is in the middle of a city with camera's and the other doesnt spread beyond local news, the reason that a lot of young people have actually joined this coalition is because they lost familly to troops in their country who are there to save them.

ok ill agree to disagree on ombama. We'll have this discussion in about 50 year so we can truly compare them to each other.

Now to the popular beleif that the US bombs inicents. Let me make this clear the US does not go out of its way to bomb villiges. IF and i stress if we bombed a villige there are only three reasons why we would:
1) its not a villige its a terrorest training ground.
2)bad intel(this is maybe 3% of the time)
3)they are harboring terrorests

In closeing we are not the villans everyone else in the world seems to think we are.In truth any country that was attacked in this way would have responded with millitary force, the only differance is most other countries would have sent SPEC ops troops in to take all the targets out (see MUNICH!) If you dont think your country would do this please tell me the country in wich you live in and i can probily find a branch of your government that deals with something like this. The only reason the US doesn't go this route is we dont have to. Its that simple we have a millitary thats larger then any in the world save maybe china, we tend to use it when we are attacked. Now if anyone wants to try to prove me wrong in this ill be glad to debate it with you

 

[-Samurai-]

Oh thousands of people died BIG WHOOP. A couple of tens of years ago we could have said Millions had died. Why the harsher reaction? BECAUSE THEY ARE AMERICANS! You know. The people with a big media that can be there, film it, broadcast it to every channel across the globe in just below lets say.. 5 Minutes.

There weren't just Americans [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks#Non-American_casualties] in the towers. It wasn't called the World Trade Center for nothing...

 

[zhoominator]

I remember seeing this at the age of 11 and, well, feeling rather indifferent towards the whole thing. Maybe it was because I'd been brought up to be made well aware of suffering throughout the world (a ploy methinks to get me to eat all of my dinner everyday) so it seemed just like any other tragedy, except it was in the US. If I lived nearby then I may have gotten more emotional but it was so very far away.

This sounds terrible but I think we would've been better off just ignoring it all but governments and the media will never roll with that.