dragonswarrior said:
Folks just want male gamers to listen and stop acting like they're the only ones entitled to games or gaming culture.
Like seriously, just listen. That's it. If someone is like "this is sexist" don't just be like "You're a feminazi!" actually listen to what they're saying and give it some thought. If someone is like "this is racist" don't just scream "Artistic integrity!" Actually listen to what they're saying and give it some thought.
Heres the thing though. People generally don't just throw that term at people unless the accusation is clearly one sided or baseless.
If you're calling Fable sexist because it has female prostitutes, despite the fact that it also has male prostitutes, or a game is sexist because you can kill women as well as men, that actually makes the game equal, not sexist, thus leading people to belive the person making the claim that the game is a feminazi, because the accusation is completely one sided and and actually sexist in of itself. In that it's okay to have those things for men, but if women are able to be killed or are prostitues regardless of it being IN ADDITION to men then you have to call the militia. Calling it sexist is actually sexist towards men. Hence Feminazi.
Or the whole thing with Lara, a /villian/ tried to rape her, a villian that hadn't seen a woman in years. Okay yeah, the villian is a bad guy, but that doesn't mean the GAME is advocating rape or sexism. Just a character with in it, who gets his testicles shot out as a result, and does bad things because HES A FUCKING VILLIAN.
Calling L4D2 racist (which did happen) because you have the ability to kill black people, in addition to white people is fucking stupid. Nobody making that claim deserves to have a reasonable argument presented against the claim, because the claim is clearly insane and fucking stupid in the first place.
Or calling Assassins Creed 4 racist because of the slavery. Which is obviously rediculous, when it's set in a time that did happen.
It's the inability for people to differenciate the actions of a character and the message of the game. Just because there are bad events, or bad characters in the game, that doesn't make the game an advocate of any of those things. Artistic intergrity is a reasonable argument, because if you attempt to quash the actions of characters in the name of sexism, you're actively censoring expression because you're unable to descern that the characters in a story are not representitive of the writers views.
dragonswarrior said:
insaninater said:
trunkage said:
one squirrel said:
thaluikhain said:
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Of course not. It gives you an unfair advantage though, which is what privilege is.
Where do I have an unfair advantage for being a male?
Are you serious? You are more likely get a job, get paid around 20% on average for doing exactly the same thing, and far less likely to get sexually harassed in the workplace (to name a couple of things). That is the definition of privilege
And if you get divorced, which in america is just a coin flip, you're more likely to loose the kids, house, and pay child support.
And if there's a draft, guess who's going to die?
And as a male, you're vastly more likely to go to prison.
And as a male, you're vastly more likely to be subjected to violence.
As a male, you're vastly more likely to be in dangerous work, where you're likely to be injured or killed.
Why don't you check YOUR privileged?
1. this is actually a part of the patriarchy, and is something most feminists are working towards changing as well. (It's because of the stupid 'women are the only ones that can take care of babies!' oppression shit."
2. Again, there are a lot of folks working to change this, including a large number of feminists.
3. Once more, a part of the patriarchal system that assumes women can do no wrong. Another thing most feminists are working towards changing.
4. I'd need multiple sources for this because I'm pretty sure you can't prove that, and it might not be true. Additionally, as a male it's much easier to get restitution for violent crimes committed against you than it is if you're a woman.
5. Again, this is because of the patriarchal system of oppression and is something that most feminists are working towards changing. The reason, additionally, that many women do not take these jobs is because the men who have them are horrible as fuck to the women who want to do them. I wouldn't want to work at a place where I faced sexual and emotional harassment every day because of the bits I was born with.
So, have you checked your privilege yet?
And people are also working to fix the stuff Trunkage bought up. Dismissing Insaniators points because there are people "working to fix them" and it's part of "the patriarchy" just discounts the stuff Trunkage bought up as well. You can't have it both ways. Either both genders have issues, or they don't, "because people are working to fix them".
Yes, people are working to fix BOTH genders issues. But I'm not about to discount that there are still issues for women just because hard working feminists are working to fix them and it'll be done next week, just as you shouldn't discount mens gender issues because there are people working to fix them too.
I also would like to point out that it's not just feminists working to fix the one sidedness of fathers and divorces. There's /plenty/ of Fathers For Justice style groups who work damn hard at what they do. You make it sound like feminists are her to fix everything and everything like some sort of supergroup. Now I'm not saying what they do isn't damn important because it is, but the way you roll on about "the patriarchy", your views, and feminists fixing everything does lead me to believe you've got a bit of tunnel vision going on.
