What do you Define as "Cheap"?

[MortisLegio]

- Anything that is overpowered (M16 from CoD4, Akimbo 1887s from MW2, M/S/S in MvC2)
- Anything that is cowardly (Camping in FPS games, turtling in RTS and other genres)
- Anything that is not intended by the developers (getting outside of maps, "glitches" such as the Javelin glitch)

I'm sure I'm forgetting something, but those are the big ones I think.

Yeah this pretty much covers it

 

[Cowabungaa]

I only consider bug abusing being cheap, the rest is all fair to me. A grenade launcher in MW/MW2 is counterable. Yes dual Rangers/Model 1887's annoy me, but they're easy to pick of at a distance, and a claymore kills them with ease too, seeing as they rush blindly at you without checking corners, easy kaBOOM.

Most recent example: the hide-under-a-certain-rock bug on the map Afghan in MW2. I don't know how, but there is a rock you can basically get inside of, and just pick of everyone who walks by without getting shot. I hope they fix that soon.

 

[Danpascooch]

Anything you consistently repeat in order to give your opponent no means of counterattack.

Basically, if no matter what your opponent does, it won't matter much, no matter how skilled they are, you are being cheap.

Also, spamming attacks gets REALLY F--KING ANNOYING

 

[Octorok]

- Anything that is overpowered (M16 from CoD4, Akimbo 1887s from MW2, M/S/S in MvC2)
- Anything that is cowardly (Camping in FPS games, turtling in RTS and other genres)
- Anything that is not intended by the developers (getting outside of maps, "glitches" such as the Javelin glitch)

I'm sure I'm forgetting something, but those are the big ones I think.

How is turtling cheap? I'm not likening it to camping, which is cheap mostly, but come on! Turtling I am assuming, you are meaning the act of walling yourself up/defending until you have built a big enough army to go fight the enemy? Because that is kind of necessary in most RTSs. Age of Empires/Mythology gameplay revolves entirely around turtling. So too can Red Alert/C&C, although speed rushing can be a winner in those games.

Seriously, turtling the way I define it is hardly cowardly, it's just the bet way to win.

Although on your other points I have complete agreement.

If you win by playing the game differently than it was intended, that is cheap. That applies to glitching/hacking/cheating.

If you play with an overpowered weapon, or if you use a weapon in an overpowered way. This applies to the M16, 1887 Shotguns etc in CoD and to quickscoping/noscoping in all games ever that aren't luckily defending yourself or a close range sniper in TF2.

Playing with tactics that are useless but for getting yourself kills, and playing with tactics that give you an unfair advantage, like camping and getting on top of structures/cover that you shouldn't be able to gt onto.

That covers most stuff.

 

[Spiner909]

Anything that has great power with no restriction or limitation.

 

[L3m0n_L1m3]

The javelin glitch, especially with "danger close".

'nuff said.

 

[firedfns13]

i´d define cheap as:

1. overpowered/ too powerful.
2. able to execute extremely long unfair combos.
3. has a 1 hit KO move.

Sounds like the shotguns in MW2. Muhahahaah I loot those and commence killing the kids that use them. Sweet, sweet justice.

However, I love being the overpowered god in single player/coop games. Online though... its just not fun.

Edit: as a farther point, and tieing in my avatar, there is always a GODLIKE plane with a GODLIKE weapon in every Ace Combat game. Lately they've been favoring laser beams/rail guns, but one volleys like 24 rockets at once, and another fires a gigantic missile that detonates almost an eighth of the entire airspace.

 

[Pimppeter2]

I'm never cheap.

Especially in sports games

Theres something Cathartic about slaughtering some fool playing as the Lakers with the Hawks

 

[Blackhol]

The reason I stopped playing GOW2.
EVERYBODY spamming punch/shotgun to the face combo. It was a mix of annoyance at getting killed so much, and boredom at the lack of variety. I wouldn't mind it so much it the shotgun wasn't a freakin default weapon.

This was the main reason why i stopped playing GOW2 two piecing is biggest cheap/ noob tactic i have ever seen.

 

[GRoXERs]

I'm afraid you are a scrub at MVC2 just by your character choices. You can't afford to play non-Sentinel, Magneto, Cable, Storm characters and non-Psylocke non-Captain Commando non-Cyclops for assist. That's if you want to stand a chance of course.

However, you're not cheap, because cheap does not exist.
There are sistuations your opponent knows how do deal with, and those he don't.
If your opponent can't deal with a situation, I urge you to overuse that weakness and exploit it any way you can. In this case, your opponent is the scrub and you should punish him or her until the counter-situation is learned. Then, after your opponent has learned how to deal with the situation, he should thank you because you have made him better.

Arguably, grabbing could be considered cheap in SF2 back when tech grab did not exist. But even then, it was up to you, knowing that grabs were not tech-able to adjust your footsy and not approach your opponent unless you had a solid mind game ready.

"Cheap" is what scrubs say when they're overwhelmed by a far superior player. I always take it as a compliment.

And "scrub" is a word generally used by people who don't have fun playing video games - EDIT: and I don't like people like that, and I really hate playing with people like that - they're irritating both as teammates and opponents. As for "cheap does not exist" - if that's the case, why did you agree that "grabbing could be considered cheap in SF2 back when tech grab did not exist?" You're just being a troll.

Not cool.

OT: I agree that something in-game may be cheap when it becomes impractical to use any other tactic if you still want to have a chance of winning.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

I would consider "cheap" to be any tactic against which there is no real counter (except to employ the same tactic yourself). For example, if the game engine in a fighting game has no adequate defense for projectile spamming, then projectile spamming in that instance is cheap.

That's really my whole problem with Street Fighter right there. They just don't give you enough tools. Now the King of Fighters games, on the other hand, always have enough movement and move options to enable a good defense against most strategies, if not opponents.

 

[Jazzyluv2]

the exploitation of the games possible flaws is exactly what you should do. fighting games are far more complicated than that at higher level, but near the bottom, easy combos win out every time cause people are incapable of countering them due to lack of skill or whatever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_AnZ0k8zOs

the very best playing, its not shallow combo whoring... the game is deeper than you think

 

[Tartarga]

Under $5. Thats right, i'm that poor.

 

[Jirlond]

Cheap is anything that removes enjoyment for you or others by being the easiest and most overused attacks/abilities - removing variation or individuality from a game.

 

[Shycte]

You didn't do anything wrong.

Cheap is when the devs desides to make a boss spam the same attacks without a real pattern.

 

[spikeyjoey]

"Cheap" is when:

A: something/someone uses a repetitive yet effective method to enable a quick, guaranteed victory, taking all the fun out of the game
B: someone uses the sword in Halo
C: someone uses the rocket launcher in Halo
D: someone uses grenades in [insert game here]

you think grenades are cheap??.. um.. no.. if you die by a grenade thats your fault

cheap, in fighting game terms, is spamming any one or two effective moves over and over (M bisons slide attack, e hondas hand slap, kazuya from tekkens spinny kick..)

in fps', its more like hiding at a high vantage point firing explosives everywhere (anyone remember the WASP from red faction 2?? ugh my friend was such a little ***** with that gun...)

 

[HardRockSamurai]

"Cheap" is when:

A: something/someone uses a repetitive yet effective method to enable a quick, guaranteed victory, taking all the fun out of the game
B: someone uses the sword in Halo
C: someone uses the rocket launcher in Halo
D: someone uses grenades in [insert game here]

you think grenades are cheap??.. um.. no.. if you die by a grenade that's your fault

Oops. Hang on just one sec.

D: someone spams grenades in [insert game here]

Sure, if you die by a grenade, that's that. However, if the person who killed you has taped over his grenade trigger, and misses most of the time; that's foul play.

I don't mind it when someones good with grenades. Just when someone who gets lucky boasts about it.

 

[Rock Beefchest]

I think duel weilding sawed off shotguns in mw2 is cheap. Anything that requires no skill to suceed at. What is with the range of those weapons anyway.

 

[mattman106]

The noob tube (grenade launcher) in COD4.

"Dur, I could aim at your head/body with my ironsights and shoot there, but I'd rather aim roughly at your feet and launch an explosive."

I only let it go for players under level 15. Hey, we were all new once, right?

Arggh the grenade launcher is not cheap! It takes a perk slot for starters so once you are out of nades your character is essentially gimped. It still in most situations requires LoS and to top it off you still have to aim it. The only people who say nade launchers are cheap are people who act in an entirely predicable way and keep getting killed in the same place again and again.